Thursday, October 8, 2009

Jon Explodes On The Insider, Is Jon & Kate Plus 8 Over? Kate Gosselin is Funny On Jay Leno!

All I can say is wow! Please watch both parts one and two of The Insider as both Donny Osmond and Betheny Frankel from The Real Housewives let Jon have it. You have to watch the whole show, but you can forward to the good parts. Happy Birthday Sweet Girls!



Is Jon & Kate Plus 8 Over? La Times.com

It now looks like Jon & Kate Gosselin are riding off into the sunset with their large brood and may never be heard from again. Kidding! You didn't think this pair would disappear that easily, did you? Published reports have stated that TLC has halted production on the reality phenomenon "Jon & Kate Plus 8," after estranged dad Jon said the show was harming his kids and had his lawyers issue a cease-and-desist order.

But the reality, if you will, is a bit more complicated. Producers have for now stopped shooting footage of the couple's eight children, but they are still filming mom Kate alone. They also have previously unaired footage of Jon and the kids that will probably turn up in future episodes, according to a person close to the show. So fans may not notice much difference in the days ahead.
Beyond that, however, the future gets murky. TLC has evidently not decided whether to proceed with earlier announced plans to rebrand the show next month as "Kate Plus Eight," leading some observers to conclude that the cable channel may soon wash its hands of the whole sordid situation. A network spokeswoman declined to comment.

Meanwhile, Jon's representative, New York attorney Mike Heller, said any filming of the show comes as news to him. "As far as I know," he wrote in an e-mail, there is "nothing being shot." It's all a confusing mess -- which may be good news for tabloids that have feasted on the domestic drama for months. Kate is developing a solo show with TLC, as well as a talk show with a syndicated unit of Warner Bros. Jon also remains under contract to TLC, but is reportedly developing a reality-show idea with Lindsay Lohan's father, Michael Lohan, called "Divorced Dads Club."

Kate Gosselin's Hilarious skit on The Jay Leno Show

124 comments:

  1. Happy Birthday to you!
    Happy Birthday to you!
    Happy Birthday, Mady and Cara,
    May the Dear Lord bless you.

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  2. Love, Love, Love the Jay Leno skit...Absolutely hilarious....Happy Birthday Again to Cara and Mady!!!!!

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  3. That was absolutely hilarious and I'm glad to see that Kate has a sense of humor! This whole mess is just sad, but wouldn't that be funny if Kate did that to some real papparazzi?

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  4. Kate's Jay Leno video is really good! I think it's great that she doesn't take herself too seriously.
    Jon, on the other hand, needs to take a chill pill! He was so flustered on most of his interviews. Even if he was telling the truth about something, his demeanor made him seem like he was lying and hiding things... for instance, the fact that he only shared part of the birthday email limiting Jon's time on Thursday. He conveniently left out that she offered to give him more time on the weekend and was giving up her time to him. "I own the house, I can do what I want!" Give me a break... it's not about you, dude!
    BabyMama, I think I caught your sickness! :) I'm lying in bed posting and reading. Thank goodness for laptops!
    Happy Birthday, Mady & Cara!

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  5. Nancy Grace last night (Wednesday) had a segment on Jon and Kate. Told it like it is with his "behaviors". She had four "professionals" on commenting also. I loved when she comments on Jon's contradictory actions and comments. She and the panel also made statements on topics they haven't done their research on, such as money for the kids and trusts, they couldn't understand why they haven't saved money for the kids. If the show did their research they would know KATE has already done this. I think Baby Mama or someone from this blog should call in her show (which is live) and set the record straight !!

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  6. Happy Birthday Cara and Mady! Nine...Wow!!

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  7. If Jon allows ET cameras into the house it is finally it for me and any sort of respect for him. I mean THATS IT!

    ET says:
    “Estranged reality couple Jon and Kate Gosselin are set to come face-to-face as they celebrate their twins Cara and Mady’s ninth birthday today in Pennsylvania — and ET will be streaming every moment as Jon arrives at their shared home.
    Will there be fallout from Kate’s new custody demands, where she asked for Jon to only be at the house for two hours?
    “It could be WWIII when I get home,” Jon told ET on Wednesday as he went shopping for their birthday presents. “She’s trying to change custody but I won’t allow that. She’s basically saying it would be too stressful to the kids to have both of us here, like we originally planned.”

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  8. ...that Jay Leno skit was totally hilarious., she's great.

    Jon really is a loose cannon, and out of control of his emotions, his actions, and his mouth. I think he has mental health issues that need dealing with. This verges on frightening to me.

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  9. Happy BirthdayMady and Cara!
    Almost a decade and really growing into this big milestone!

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  10. I didn't see Kate on Jay last night because I worked until 10 and didn't know she was going to be on UNTIL after it was over. But THANKS for posting the link. It was great....fighting crime in space with great mommy powers!!! Didn't hear about Jon being in cahoots with ET about filming at the Twin's Birthday celebration but that is just a double standard- I won't let them be filmed to get back at Kate, but Mary Hart, come on in and enjoy a slice of birthday cake......PAH-LEEZE!!!!!!!!!

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  11. This is from TMZ...
    We're told Jon has struck a deal with a TV show to allow it to film his kids' birthday party today -- this is the same Jon who doesn't want his kids filmed on "Kate Plus 8." To that, Kate's lawyer, Mark Momjian, tells TMZ "I've never seen a greater hallmark for hypocrisy personified."

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0TMjgcwM0

    I mean seriously, if this does happen then this is OUTRAGES!! I mean surely Kate would never allow him to do that?? Does he not realize he would be burying himself??


    And there is another court date set for Tuesday about the whole money issue, so we will see then.

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  12. Watched her skit on their site. Hilarious! I'd love to see more of her doing that kind of thing. Glad she doesn't take herself so seriously.

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  13. Kate is hilarious in the Jay Leno clip.

    I can't believe Jon is letting ET film his kids' party.

    If that's true, he's really out of control.

    I know people think that saying Jon might have an illness or addiction is demeaning, but personally I do not think it's demeaning to be ill. At least there is treatment and thus, hope.

    No cure for being an ass.

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  14. Loved the Jay Leno skit. she's hilarious! I love to see the comedic side of her.

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  15. Can TLC do anything about Jon having ET filming the birthday with the kids after him pulling their plug on their own show? If I were their lawyers I'd be crying "foul" and sue the pants off of him.

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  16. Okay, not sure if anyone else is seeing this, but if you go to the ET website, right NOW (1:45 PM EST) on the front page is a live feed - they are currently filming the house. Here is the text accompanying it:


    Estranged reality couple Jon and Kate Gosselin are set to come face-to-face as they celebrate their twins Cara and Mady's ninth birthday today in Pennsylvania -- and ET is now streaming every moment as Jon prepares to arrive at their shared home.

    *****

    This is absolutely nuts.

    I would not know how to handle this if I were Kate. It's a no win situation.

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  17. Cara and Mady!
    Happy Birthday!

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  18. I guess either Kate wants resolution about the money mess right away and okayed having the arbitrator mediate and/or the judge handed the case back to the arbitrator. According to ETOnline only she, Jon and the arbitrator will be meeting together on Tuesday.

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  19. OMG!!! That was such a funny skit!!!! I love kate!!!

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MADY AND CARA! MAY YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE HAPPY BIRTHDAYS!!

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  20. I hate to say this but this has all really become a train wreck...Jon has brought 99.9 percent of this on the family. Is there no one with any sense that can reason with him? His "handlers" are just in it for the money. He needs to just shut his mouth. Now E.T is at the home filming? They too should be ashamed. Jon is going to find himself "unemployable" and hopefully doesn't drag Kate down with him.

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  21. Helen, I just went to ET and I just can't believe what I'm seeing... I really keep an open mind on both Jon and Kate but this is just too much!!! I guess Jon gets paid for this?

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  22. Kate needs to remain calm and call the police if ET comes on the property. They should need the permission of both parents.

    Either way I think Jon has just cooked his goose as far as keeping the kids off off TV. There is no way he can argue in court that they shouldn't be filmed and then hire cameras to film them.

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  23. Just where does Kate get off telling Jon he can't see his kids for more then 2 hours on their birthday? It was arranged proir and Kate should stick to it. If it was Jon offering a change we all know she'd be all over TV saying he wouldn't let her see her kids. They BOTH need to stop thinking of themselves and think what this is doing to those 8 kids they chose to bring into the world. They didn't ask for this.

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  24. Kate should not say a word and let ET in. Then after filming for a few moments ask them to leave because she is not allowed to let there be any filming of the children due to Jon's wishes. And get on tape Jon's feedback that this is okay. Just a little fuel for court.

    I really think he is unstable. And if I were Kate I would worry about my safety in his presence. This man is being led by a dirty lawyer and is a puppet.

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  25. Right now on etonline.com there is actually a live feed watching the house. Its truly sick at this point. I did say that the haters are also sick..so I guess that's my word of the day! (This also coincides with the fact that I am feeling better. I feel for all of you that are still sick out there..no pun intended!)

    And I wanted to say something else. On hate sites the joke is that the fans are crazy. That Kate has a bodyguard because of them. Well NO! Kate has Steve because of the psychos at Loony and the other hate sites!
    1.Fans do not write horrible letters to anything or anyone that relates to the show. (I'm wondering how they have that much time on their hands!)
    2.Fans are not crazy enough to check every five minutes on the status of the divorce (on a web site), as well as let everyone know where they can have access to them and letting know which office to go to.
    3. Fans DO NOT go onto Kate's friends personal Facebook page, tearing apart someones private profile accessing private personal comments that are none of their damn business, regardless if she didn't realize she needed to block said psychos!

    FANS ARE NOT THE REASON KATE NEEDS SECURITY. SICK CRAZY, HATEFUL SAD INDIVIDUALS THAT FLOCK TO THESE TRASH SITES ARE THE REASON!

    Please forgive me if I went off just now. I am starting to believe that this is the reason we have a stupid feeds on a private home on Entertainment Tonight. They do it just for the "non-fans".

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  26. DNT96~ I don't beleive Kate would have limited Jon's time had she not known he would do something so vile, so insane, than to cord on TV his meeting with this daughter's on their birthday. I thought he wanted to take them off the show because being on TV was bad for them?

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  27. Thank-you Baby Momma for speaking out about the Loonys! They were also laughing about calling C.P.S. and the I.R.S. on the Gosselins a few days ago. They are sick, sick, sick!!!

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  28. DNT96 said...
    Just where does Kate get off telling Jon he can't see his kids for more then 2 hours on their birthday? It was arranged proir and Kate should stick to it. If it was Jon offering a change we all know she'd be all over TV saying he wouldn't let her see her kids. They BOTH need to stop thinking of themselves and think what this is doing to those 8 kids they chose to bring into the world. They didn't ask for this.
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    First of all, Kate did NOT "tell" Jon he couldn't see the kids for more than 2 hours. If you had read the actual e-mail off his phone you would have seen that she actually, and very politely suggested splitting the evening between both of them which was very reasonable of her.

    Furthermore, it was all Jon's doing to bring all this birthday custody issue very public with the paps around him, so don't blame the both of them on this.

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  29. Kate should also have her computers checked by professionals for any spyware/key loggers on her computer and phone, being sure to document any infections, and be sure to change all her passwords as well as her e-mail addresses now that one of them has been revealed.

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  30. What the holy heck is the point of Jon's message to Mady and Cara on the Insider?!! Are they allowed to watch that?? Does he WANT them to watch? I hope and pray that there are no camera crews for their birthday...every time I think there can't be something worse, something worse happens. These 2 people are going to lose every shred of their credibility, if they haven't already.

    I'm starting to lose hope that these kids will ever have anything of a normal life.

    I'm so sorry for Mady and Cara that would should be a happy, stress-free, special day in their lives is probably anything but that.

    I'm so sorry for these kids, I want to cry :(

    Baby Mama, I'm so glad you're feeling better and in a "go-get'em" mood! Our house is on our 2nd WEEK of illness and I'm praying that we'll be home-free for the rest of the winter...wishful thinking, I know...

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  31. LOL. I commented about Jon and the cameras on the other post. Oh well. I won't copy and paste. Basically I wrote OMG! That would be a really bad move on Jon's part, etc.

    But then I saw the "feed" and it's not what I thought it was. I thought they were going to be "filming" it (which I totally disagreed with). The camera was about a mile from the home. I didn't see Jon or Kate or the kids. Did I miss it? I wasn't sitting there watching for very long... but I did tune in a little after 2:30 when he was supposed to arrive. So, what happened????

    Regarding the custody during the Bday, Jon said he had custody on Thursday but Kate changed it because she was away from them during her time because she did the Today show. Then he said that she wanted him to just pick them up at school at 4pm and leave by 6pm so she can do their special birthday cake with them. I know everyone always feels I defend Jon but I can't blame him for wanting to spend their birthday with them.

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  32. YAY! Looks like SOMEONE is getting in trouble..
    The live feed on the ET site was removed as per 4:10pm hmmm

    And for those that asked, I did privately e-mail Jamie (Kate's friend) and I'm sure several others had.. to let her know what the crazies were doing with her private facebook page. Looks like she got the message and set her site to private..

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  33. I just watched the Kate skit on Jay Leno. Although I didn't find it extremely funny as far as the skit itself, I thought Kate was really good! She can act! I don't know how she kept a straight face. She may have a future in acting too. Good for her.

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  34. Baby Mama, I read that they expected Jon around 2:30, not sure how long they planned to film the house once he arrived and went in. Did anyone see anything? That whole live feed thing was really odd. I'm not sure I understand what the point was.

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  35. Can anyone recap what was filmed by ET? I didn't get over there until about 4:15 so I guess I just missed it?

    What happened?!? What did they get on the live stream?

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  36. FWIW the ET site is down but TMZ is still live streaming at the house!

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  37. Happy Birthday Mady and Cara! You are both beautiful girls, and there are lots of people out there who care about you! Have a great 9th year.... you're getting so grown up!

    I did not watch the live feed. (Nor do I want to.) But really?! That is just completely wrong. The paparazzi seriously need to back off. I know it's their job, but it's a complete violation of privacy and Mady and Cara probably don't want the whole world watching their birthday. It is so unfair for them. Glad to see that it was removed!

    As for Kate's new comedian career, I think that she could pull it off! ;o) JK! She was really funny though, and I agree with others that it's good that she can make fun of herself.

    On a side note, I think that Jon is totally working himself up on the Insider. I know that it's the show's dynamic, but I think that it makes it look like he's really desperate! I'm sure that some of their comments might be offensive, but really, he's on national TV! Hold yourself together Jon!

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  38. Looks like TMZ has the live video now. I just e-mailed them to please leave the children be....

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  39. Thanks Baby Mama for posting The Insider footage. I just watched it. I don't think anyone was too hard on Jon and I think he answered the questions okay. I do wish he responded to Donny though. I think Jon needs time to think and answer questions because he's not good on his feet.

    Donny definitely made a good point. It does make a marriage work if you always think "what is good for my spouse". However, that's only if BOTH spouses do that. It won't work if it's just one spouse. Marriage is a two-way street. It's give and get. It's giving what you know the other spouse needs, not just what you feel they need or what you are willing to give. And I mean this for both Jon and Kate.

    I also hope Jon stops the interviews. Enough already. You made your point. Kate went on national tv and called you a thief. You went on national tv and responded. Let it go. It's in the courts hands now. Although I confess, I want to know what the results are.

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  40. I didn't think even if both parents wanted them there that it would be possible. They are under contract for any filming to TLC

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  41. I LOVE the Jay Leno skit !!!!! Go Kate !!

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  42. Well, if Jon truly arranged for ET to film his arrival and meeting with Kate for todays' birthday, he has DEFINITELY cooked his own goose. He really is not in a state of mind where he is fit to care for 8 young children if this has happened a mere days after he told the world he wants to pull his kids off T.V. Who are his P.R. people????????????????????? This man is truly out of control.

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  43. Sorry, I place the blame on BOTH of them. They are the parents. They are the adults. They brought all of this mess into their childrens life. The kids didn't ask for their parents divorce to be front page news.
    Neither of them can keep this divorce private.
    Kate herself said she will not miss a holiday or birthday of her children, but it's ok to limit the time they spend with their father on those days? Jon wants the p-people there, fine, move the party to the backyard. They can spit each other all they want, the world just doesn't need to know about it. Again, another case of say 1 thing, do another.
    Offering a weekend that wasn't his is not the same. They both keep saying how much they love the kids and how everything they do is for the kids.
    They both need to take a step back and see how their actions are actually hurting those 8 children they claim to be doing it all for. Are these the memories they really want the kids to remember?

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  44. So I just watched the video on ET's website of Cara and Mady getting off the bus and into Jon's car. The amount of p-people taking pictures/video-taping is insane. It amazes me that the two of them remain calm and don't just lash out and scream "Stop taking pictures of me! Stop harassing me -- leave us alone!" I know I would want to say those things if I had people like them constantly snapping photos and etc. every time I left the house. And perhaps you may think that this is how they may feel when TLC tapes their show, but I truly believe it is a much different situation/atmosphere. Those poor children.


    Also, what is up with Jon being on "The Insider" 3 nights in a row?? No I don't have a problem with him being on a show numerous times (such as Kate with the View), but they only talk to him for like 2 minutes during the show. Have him on once and get everything out. It's all for the ratings I guess-- I sit through the whole show to see what will be brought up about the Gosselins, and hear like one minute of new stuff.

    And I'm sick of him saying "actions speak louder than words" or "the proof is in the pudding" in these various videos he's in (Larry King, Insider, ET)-- hello buddy, do you not REALIZE that you have been the one displaying poor actions and giving proof for others to see your true colors? It's hilarious that he thinks Kate's actions show she is acting poorly. All of a sudden it's his favorite phrase--that and "mommy and daddy, not husband and wife" lol--the repetitiveness.

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  45. Happy Birthday Cara & Mady!!!! I wish it started out better for them.

    Anyway....Kate was great on Leno. I love people who can make fun of themselves.

    I am glad the live feed was taken down.

    Don't fret about those haters BabyMama...some one told me I was scary & delusional last night.(well actually all of us people that like Kate but she posted it right after my post so I took the credit! LOL)

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  46. OK, I'm convinced that Jon Gosselin has completely lost his mind. Good thing they're scheduled for court on Tuesday. I agree with Kate. This needs to end. Telling TLC no filming and then inviting paps to film your kids so you can get paid is the lowest of the low. Hang tight, Kate. Keep your chin up and maintain your dignity. Surely no judge in the land will allow Jon to continue this complete junk.

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  47. If it is true that Kate wanted to change the visitation agreement for the twins birthday, I don't blame her, especially with all the stuff that has happened in the last few weeks. However, until they have gone before the arbitrator or a judge, she should bite her tongue and keep to the current agreement of sharing birthdays and holidays together with Jon. I think that in the long run it would be in her favor to do so.

    As far as Jon goes with the whole ET connection today....it is absolutely disgusting!! He demands that TLC stops filming the kids while he and Kate are going through the divorce....and then gives the twins up to the paparazzi. Sure paparazzi is going to be at the bus stop, especially on their birthday, so why doesn't Jon pick them up at school? Why does he give up the suposed information about Kate emailing him with instructions of when and where to pick up the girls and when Jon is picking up the girls at the bus stop WHY does he step away from the open car door to let an ET cameraman step up to door and film the twins in the backseat???? All the other paparazzi were in front of the car taking photos, ET was right next to Jon.

    Jon is pimping his kids, using their birthday to fuel this crap between him and Kate and expose it all to the media. He IS NOT thinking of his children!!!

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  48. I am getting so tired of Jon twisting Kate's words to make her look bad, badmouthing her contradicting himself and being a hypocrite... trying to craw out of his self-made hole all out of desperation.

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  49. OK So Jon finally got home to see his kids and he goes to the fence to talk to the p - people first chance he gets?? And then walks around like hes lost or something. Hes unbelievable!!

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  50. I just saw Jon's interview at the house tonight on radar online. What confuses me is the fact that he was suppose to want to be there to spend time with his children but he decides to entertain the people at the fence..... How does that qualify as spending time with his children. I mean isn't that why he released the email to make the point he would stay there with his kids if he wanted to? I just don't get it at all. It is so sad and his children are going to suffer from all of this. He wants them off of tv but he can't stay away from it!

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  51. I don't know if anyone else watched ET tonight, but it had Jon picking up the girls birthday cake and on the cake it said "Happy Birthday Cara and Maddy", and he went on to comment about how beautiful it was, blah, blah, blah...My thought is who does Jon have calliing in to get things printed, first the sign on the fence was mispelled, and now the cake he supposedly brings to the girls has Mady's name mispelled. I surely hope he did not bring that cake to them, I'm guessing it was all just a PR stunt.

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  52. Jessica~ This was found in regards to your question..

    "So much for putting the brakes on the divorce and establishing a better relationship. The public divorce brawl between Jon and Kate Gosselin reached its most acrimonious level on Thursday, the ninth birthday of twins Cara and Maddy. Jon picked up Cara and Maddy from the school bus stop and is taking them back to their birthday party.

    Meanwhile, the battle between Jon and Kate is growing worse. Photographers and TV crews are lined up outside the Gosselin house, hoping to record images of the kids playing in the yard.

    The only problem is that Kate has heard Jon is making money off allowing some of the photographers to be there and even tipped them that he would bring the kids into the yard! And yes, she sees that as a ridiculous departure from his demand that TLC stop filming the kids because he believes it is detrimental to them.

    Now RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that earlier today Kate threatened to not let the kids play in the yard – so Jon won’t profit from it!"

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  53. Jon got Mady a laptop....Oh great now she will be able to "Google" him.

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  54. I had a thought while reading the new posts this morning:

    I can't imagine the confusion of Mady and Cara yesterday when Jon had ET there filming and let all those Paps get shots into the car!

    Just days ago they were told they couldn't do the filming of the show anymore (with a crew they know and love) because daddy doesn't want them filmed and on TV - then he shows up on their birthday - and he's letting them be filmed by strangers?

    Can't imagine how a 9 year old figures that one out!

    Also - I thought it made Jon look like an idiot standing there talking about how much he liked the cake when CLEARLY his daughters name (MADDY) was SPELLED WRONG! Those people are PROFESSIONAL cake makers and could have fixed that with a little effort (I know because I've had cakes end up with the wrong name and they've had to 'fix' it for me!)

    I also think his choice of gifts (laptop for Mady and ATV for Cara) is a prime example of an 'absent parent' trying to show love by buying big gifts. Yep Jon, ACTIONS do speak louder than words! (Not begrudging the girls the gifts! I hope they LOVE them!!) Although I do think it was pathetic that Jon purchased stuff so last minute that Cara's gift won't be there for a week. To a 9 year old - waiting for a week for a birthday gift must seem like forever!?!

    I also agree with all the comments about Jon's trip out to the Paps instead of being inside with his kids. Then again - he probably needed a smoke break.

    I was HAPPY to hear Jon say that "Kate is trying to change the custody now". THANK GOD - and I hope she goes for FULL CUSTODY with Jon having only visitation!

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  55. Please don't be angry with me, but I think it's come to the point where all of this has to stop before someone gets seriously hurt. I watched the video on RadarOnline of Kate taking the girls to the bus stop and the stupidity of the questions that the pap asked her IN FRONT OF HER CHILDREN amazed the socks off of me !!! It's like an infestation of rodents have entered this family's life and do pest control will get rid of them. Take a lession from the life and horribly untimely death (murder I think of it as to be honest)of Princess Diana. It has gotten so far out of control that nothing good can ever come out of this again. What started as a wonderful journey of these beautiful children has turned into a media nightmare. For that reason, I think it's time to turn the pap's attention to someone else and leave this family alone to try and heal.

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  56. I'mmmmm back,
    Hope the girls had a nice day considering all the turmoil. The pics above are adorable, what a nice job Baby Mama.
    Now, about Hopes' post: Kate taking it out of Arbitration and going for custody. Nottt!
    FYI Arbitration and Custody is two different things and they are handled separatly by the court.
    Arbitration, ONLY covers the distribution of marital assets, if the 2 parties can't do it themselves.
    Custody is about the kids, physical, etc. and primary care provider, etc. So far I have not read one word about either J&K filing in family court that they are going for full custody, Butttt, after all this I won't be surprised if that changes.
    First I read about Tuesdays meeting that it would be J&K, their Att., and the Arbitrator. I thought great, they are going to get things done. Then I saw an article that its only J&K and their Att. Thennnnnn, an article that Jons' Attorneys can't make it that day. Don't be surprised if it gets postponed again. Maybe his att. can't practice law in PA. I hope it doesn't because the papers say they have to meet or make an effort to settle this before it goes to court. This will be the effort, if its postponed so be it they can move to court.
    Don't expect Jon to come up with any monies on Tuesday, because Kates' attorneys checked the box on page2 that says:
    RULE RETURNABLE AT TIME OF TRIAL
    IMO, that could be in the final award from the Arbitrator. They could just deduct it from Jons' share. It's a bargaining chip for Kate.

    Now, here comes another conspiracy theory:
    Someone here said that they think those court papers were released by someone in Kates' camp. I think so too. They make Jon look pretty bad. The last page is the banks list of withdrawals, it doesn't prove who made those WD. What if Kate did it and blamed Jon. Think about it.???
    Also, I think the Corp, GiantTLC has been very quiet and are backing Kate.
    Here's my bet: By the end of the month,
    BAM!!!!
    I bet Kate gets the house and kids.
    BAM!!!!
    Kates new show starts without kids.
    BAM!!!!
    Jon gets 2 fancy cars and his freedom to do his thing.

    Unless of course there is a custody dispute over the kids, I hope not. Mine took 18 months and then they mediated assets.

    HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!

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  57. Apparently things turned out peacefully yesterday at the Gosselin home as it seems Kate relented and let Jon stay until the girls' bedtime. Thank God! I was so scared there was going to be this big brawl and police were going to be called. I think it helped that whatever story that was about Jon hiring a tv show (presumably ET) to film the girls' birthday party didn't happen. I shuddered to think Jon could be that stupid to try and have the kids filmed after making such a big stink about TLC continuing their show.

    Of course, there was the whole thing about the ever friendly and present paps there to greet Mady and Cara at the bus stop. The girls looked irritated to see them and I agree with whoever said that they were surprised the girls don't yell at the paps to get out of their faces and stop taking pictures of them. I am sure they want to but are probably told by their parents to ignore them at all costs and never talk to them. Sigh... poor kids. Anyway it was a relief to know that the p-people didn't follow the Gosselins once they drove through the gate.

    On a slightly comical note, did anyone catch the story where Jon's birthday cake he picked up for the girls was apparently spelled wrong? Apparently the decorator spelled Mady with two d's. I wonder if Jon caught the mistake or if he picked up the cake as is? We must remember, spelling seems not to be his forte if he allowed that sign to remain on his fence without correcting it. I'll have to go back to the video of him getting the cake and showing it off to see if it is indeed misspelled. Kate would have had a field day with that one. I can just hear it now... " Really Jon, nice attention to detail!" lol Poor guy, it looks like everything he touches automatically turns to...tarnish?

    SchmeckyGirl - In light of our exchange the other day about misunderstanding Jon referring to working things out in his "marriage" , he did it again yesterday on ET. He said (in reference to not knowing what to expect upon his arrival home) that all he wanted was to be a family again and go back to doing things together as a family of course qualifying quickly " not as husband and wife but as mommy and daddy". It really gets me how his speech works. You'd amost think English wasn't his first language with the way his sentences are structured and the words he uses. lol


    Well, it's a new day. I wonder what drama will unfold today in Gosselin land. I'm sure there will be reports of how the birthday went. I think that was supposed to be on the Insider today.

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  58. It is being said on TMZ and on other places that Jon was going to be paid heavily by Entertainment Tonight for footage of Jon going INTO the kids birthday party. They paid for the cake, and also had full camera coverage when he went into the store to pick it up. So of course those that don't know the girls spelled Mady's name worng. And I'm assuming since Jon got the $94 cake free and was being filmed, he had to look like he didn't care. And maybe he didn't.

    But the footage was never to be inside the house, just big $$$$ to get Jon entering the house and hopefully a glimpse of Kate. They would have even paid him more if the kids were "coaxed" to play outside..It's sick (my new word) to think that he was even consider doing something so vile ot make a few extra bucks off of it. I mean, who is talking to this guy?

    Hasn't Jon been saying all week he want's his kids off TV? I guess it's only on his terms and when the kids are not on TLC.

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  59. Jon has become a media prostitute.

    I can truthfully say that I am NOT a fan of Jon's any longer, and never will be again. He is doing significant damage to his kids, and there is no taking all of this back. Kate IS a better parent, hands down (my opinion).

    NJMOM, that is so funny, yes, if they don't think the kids are accessing the tabloid garbage, they definitely will be now.

    oRachie404o......I agree. Having TLC film certain events is VERY different than the paps running up to the car, snapping photos and shouting out ridiculous comments like "When are you going to start at McDonalds".....just nuts. I was astonished and sickened seeing the paps behavior when Kate took the girls to the bus stop yesterday, how horrible.

    I hope for the kids' sakes that all of this comes to a peaceful end very soon.

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  60. Well I'm so glad that Jon didn't attempt to have the party filmed. That would have been so stupid of him. I would have been surprised if he did but not shocked. Nothing Jon does would shock me. I'm not sure what his thought process is when he makes decisions. He does scare me sometimes. As for picking up the cake... who cares? I can't believe they actually filmed that. Good, let them pay Jon money to film him picking up a cake. More money towards supporting the children. Just leave the kids out of it.

    So he got paid big money to be filmed going inside his house? There wasn't even anything to film. Was there? Did anyone see it? Weren't the camera men all the way by the fence? I didn't see anything so I don't know.

    As for Jon actually considering letting them film the kids outside playing, do we know that he actually considered it? I wouldn't take any of those rumors as fact unless he actually did it.

    Unless he let ET on their property to film I don't see how that would work anyway. It wouldn't have been exclusive. There were a bunch of cameras there besides ET. They would all get the same footage. And it's not like the kids aren't already filmed outside all the time in their front yard and driveway anyway so I'm not sure why that would have been a money shot. I'm not sure I believe that part of the story. I think that and the filming of the party etc was all just rumor. Thankfully.

    I'm so over these two already. I hope they both stop with all the media and work on their "careers" and let their children be regular children. The media will lose interest in them all once there is no more drama.

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  61. another mom said:
    SchmeckyGirl - In light of our exchange the other day about misunderstanding Jon referring to working things out in his "marriage" , he did it again yesterday on ET. He said (in reference to not knowing what to expect upon his arrival home) that all he wanted was to be a family again and go back to doing things together as a family of course qualifying quickly "not as husband and wife but as mommy and daddy". It really gets me how his speech works. You'd amost think English wasn't his first language with the way his sentences are structured and the words he uses. lol
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    Yes, I think Jon needs an interpreter to explain what it actually is he "means to say".

    I guess he still sees them all as a "family"? Maybe just a broken one? Technically, he and Kate are still the children's family, but still...

    I think that's why Jon needs a long time to give an answer. First he has to give the answer and then he has to explain exactly what he means. He needs to stay off a talk show unless it is scripted. No wonder Kate never let him talk in the interview chair. He takes too long to get to the point. I think, though, that's why Jon is misunderstood a lot. He lacks basic speaking skills.

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  62. Kate is still a class act, relenting to bratty, temper tantrum Jon by letting him stay longer than she wanted, just to have some peace. He's the one coming off as the idiot and jerk on this one.

    I think her Jay Leno skit put her up a few more notches, too, in the public ratings.

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  63. NJmom I agree, real great idea Jon to get Mady a laptop ?? Now she can google him!! What an idiot.

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  64. #1Caregiver - No, Jon's attorney Heller is not licensed to practice family law in PA (and practicing family law in NY is why his license was previously suspended for 5 years - Jon can really pick winners.) Attorney Heller asked the court that he be allowed special permission to handle this case. Kate's attorney asked that Heller not be granted permission. (I think there are multiple reasons for this - Should Heller be allowed and unfamiliar with PA family law and lose, then Jon could argue down the road that he did not have adequate representation, despite the fact that he chose the attorney.

    I still don't think somebody in Kate's camp released those records to Radar. She and her camp know all to well how much Kate has been harassed; they would have blacked out key info about cell phone #'s etc. I do think it was somebody in PA, probably in the clerk's office with the courts.

    On a lighter note, I know Kate's kids birthdays as well as I know my own. And I was so upset yesterday that at first I wished them a 10th birthday rather than 9th. (My youngest twins are almost exactly 1 year older than Cara and Mady and I guess that's where my head was.)

    For many of us (on this blog not the other one), the Gosselins feel like neighbors or family, like cousins, etc. I think that's why we have become such emotional supporters/ and/or detractors at this point. I remember well in the past thinking "lighten up Kate" or "glad you're calm Jon" or whatever. It's shifted and I'm so proud of the poise (in general) that Kate has grown into, as well as being so disgusted with this childish, immature Jon that has been revealed.

    On one show Jon said something to the effect of "My therapist tells me I've gone from 32 to 23," and Jon seemed almost weirdly proud of that. I find that really bizarre. I'd say his behavior is far less mature than 23, and he often acts like a young teen whose hormones are raging out of control.

    In reflecting back over things, I also wonder if Jodi and Kevin regret their actions. I truly think Jodi was jealous of Kate. He whole statements to her sister Julie that got the GWOPers rolling is so painful. I did research yesterday and find the TLC statement where they said they had not offered to pay Jodi to appear despite what Jodi says. But, they got their pound of flesh over Kate and were able to pay off their two loans on their home. With so much of this hate, I just don't know how those people sleep at night. It is truly sick what those people do.

    I pray that Jon's carousing and calling out the media (from Deanna all the way up to Hailey) doesn't result in leading other sickos to his children. I can't stomach him one more time saying I want the media to go away out of the left side of his mouth and calling them closer out of the right side.

    Go Kate! Stay strong!
    Go Jon! Please find the counseling and real advice you need. Even your new BFF Michael Lohan says you're getting bad legal advice.

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  65. I have a question:

    Jon doesn't want his kids filmed by TLC because it is "harming" them, but what is the difference when he has the birthday party filmed for his up coming show? I am a little confussed. The media has been so harsh toward Kate for being rude and nasty to Jon, but it looks like to me he may have needed it if he acted this immature.

    Just a thought.

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  66. Wow - I was pretty much out of the loop most of yesterday, and I just finished reading through everyone's comments. And that's all I can think of to add ........... wow. I guess I will also say that I'm glad it all turned out to be, pretty much, to quote Shakespeare, "much ado about nothing." In spite of all the hand wringing, tabloid live feeds, 24/7 non stop reporting, nothing really happened.

    Somehow a Shakespeare reference seems quite appropriate, given the genre of the tragic and the comedic. This has all gotten so far out of control, that if it weren't so tragic - real kids, real family, real people's lives - it would be ridiculously funny.

    I do sincerely hope that the court eventually (sooner rather than later) orders therapy for EVERYONE in this family.

    Jon's picking the twins up at the bus stop after school, was pretty much a repeat scene of Kate's dropping them off yesterday morning. And then again this morning as well, with ALL the kids. At least they had a bodyguard on duty this morning.

    I agree with whomever suggested above that Jon should have picked them up AT THE SCHOOL - but I'll add to that, Kate should also then drive them to school as well, and avoid this on-going bus stop drama.

    I don't care who is to blame for the paparazzi attention. At this point, finger pointing and laying blame really doesn't matter. They are their PARENTS. They need to protect them from all of this crap.

    One of the TV tabloid shows this week had a psychologist from "mom logic" on speaking to the situation. She also stated that the children, the whole family, needs counseling, and that the court should mandate it. Isn't "mom logic" behind the Paula Dean show Kate auditioned for?

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  67. BAM!!!
    Kate deserves the house and the kids. She is the responsible parent here. Jon can have visitation for now, but he will have to bring both cars if he wants to take them anywhere. His fancy cars won't hold 8 kids and himself. Guess Hailey will have to drive one while he drives the other.

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  68. lucysmom said...
    Kate is still a class act, relenting to bratty, temper tantrum Jon by letting him stay longer than she wanted, just to have some peace. He's the one coming off as the idiot and jerk on this one.
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    I don't understand that. "Longer than she wanted"? Jon said he had custody on Thursday, the day of their birthday. If anything, he shared it with her.

    Regardless, their agreement was holidays and birthdays would be shared. I'm not sure why anyone feels Kate should have had a say on the matter. If Jon didn't want Kate there on their actual birth day it would be wrong of him too. Even if he had custody that day... because they agreed they would both be there for the special occasions.

    In my mind Kate offering him the weekend instead is neither here nor there. That doesn't make up for him not being there for their actual birthday. That's like saying he can't be there on xmas but can come next week. It's not the same.

    Besides, they did the right thing. They put aside their personal issues with each other and were civil for the sake of their children. Kudos to them! I just wish they could do it more often.

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  69. Schmeckygirl~ Jon was showing the paps Kate's actual cell messages. It wasn't at all that Kate did not want Jon to be there, but that she didn't want them to be there at the same time, and she wanted to split the day and also give him time on the weekend to make up for not staying all night. Jon was fighting (again) it stay all night not only to piss Kate off, but so that the media outside would be talking to Jon all night..

    Because instead of being with his kids, he kept on coming back to the media all day feeding them info. He said he wanted to tuck his kids in, but come on, he doesnt care any other night about that does he? Who knows, it was just all because he was being paid to do so. And for the record, didn't Jon say he NEVER talks to Kate and she refuses his texts? Didn't seem that way....

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  70. monkie said...
    BAM!!!
    Kate deserves the house and the kids. She is the responsible parent here. Jon can have visitation for now, but he will have to bring both cars if he wants to take them anywhere. His fancy cars won't hold 8 kids and himself. Guess Hailey will have to drive one while he drives the other.
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    What's with all the BAMs? Am I missing something? This is the second comment with a BAM in it. Is that a reference to something?

    The house is for the kids. Kate's car doesn't hold all the kids either. I don't think it would even hold all the septuplets because of all the car seats. Three car seats won't fit in one row. They both use the big van when they take all the kids.

    While I myself said that I feel Jon does NOT need two cars I think both his cars together don't total much more than Kate's one, so if it's about the dollars they are pretty much even. However, I still think Jon should only have one car if the expense is more than they can afford. However, I couldn't care less how many cars they have if they can afford them all and can support their children, etc.

    Speaking of cars, I recently read that Jon bought Hailey a car. Before I read that he was looking at cars WITH Hailey but it was for him. Does anyone know the actual facts on that? I was under the impression he did not actually buy her a car.

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  71. I watched the video of Kate taking the girls to the bus yesterday and it was truly awful. What must be going thru their minds as stuff is shouted out at them? I don't think things would change if they were dropped off and picked up AT the school - they would just be followed there too.

    I agree w/ Schecky if J/K agreed to shared custody on birthdays/holidays, then that's the way it should be. I don't picture either of them giving in or doing something simply to be kind to the other at this point, but if that was their agreement, they should honor it.

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  72. I understand why Kate did not want Jon there, if all that is true that he was making money from the media filming, photographing, whatever, especially on the heels of his statements about not wanting his kids on tv. It is so hard to know what to believe, who puts out what information, though. It makes my head spin.

    I think that if no other good has come out of this time period (the waiting on finalizing the divorce and arrangements) is that both parents will see what they should have arranged differently and what has to be figured out to protect the kids from poor decisions made by either parent. Things like responsible babysitters, no significant others in the kids' home for a certain period of time, etc. Things they may not even have thought about beforehand.

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  73. Baby Mama said...
    Schmeckygirl~ Jon was showing the paps Kate's actual cell messages. It wasn't at all that Kate did not want Jon to be there, but that she didn't want them to be there at the same time, and she wanted to split the day and also give him time on the weekend to make up for not staying all night. Jon was fighting (again) it stay all night not only to piss Kate off, but so that the media outside would be talking to Jon all night..

    Because instead of being with his kids, he kept on coming back to the media all day feeding them info. He said he wanted to tuck his kids in, but come on, he doesnt care any other night about that does he? Who knows, it was just all because he was being paid to do so. And for the record, didn't Jon say he NEVER talks to Kate and she refuses his texts? Didn't seem that way....
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    I understand she wanted to split the day, but they were in school for most of the day. That would leave just about 4 hours with the kids. If Jon was fine with splitting it then it would have worked out great for them both, but maybe he didn't want to. Maybe the girls didn't want him to. Can you imagine their reaction when he says he's leaving after just two hours? That's not fair to the girls.

    As for tucking them in, how does anyone know whether or not he tucks them in whenever he's there. Maybe it's something he really enjoys. I know my husband loves that part of the day. That's when he gets to read the girls a story and have one-on-one discussions with them, etc. Jon always gave them baths and helped get them to bed in the past. Maybe it's something he doesn't want to give up. I don't think anyone should judge him for wanting to be with his daughters on their birthday for more than two hours.

    Like I said, they are two grown-ups. It's about the kids, not about him. Not about Kate.

    I did see Jon go out to the paps and talk to them, but I only saw it once and he said he was going in to tuck them in and then leaving. Did he really keep going back and forth? I don't think he did because they asked him how it was when he went in... then he said he was going to tuck them in so it was the end of the night.

    I too do not understand why Jon feels the need to go to the fence and talk to them though. Especially if he doesn't get paid for it. I think he should learn to keep his mouth shut as much as possible because he doesn't always say the right thing. He lets his emotions get the best of him.

    If he's getting paid for it, then I'd understand a little, but I don't agree with it. I think he needs to stop because just like wild animals, they will never go away if you don't stop feeding them.

    I don't care if he talks to the paps when he's out and about if he insists on doing it. A lot of "celebrities" do that, but he shouldn't encourage it by his property. Especially if the children are there.

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  74. Parenting is all about compromise. Not who can throw the biggest tantrum. He was showing personal info on tv and then conveniently left out the part that would not back up his story. That's what a five year old does.
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    I agree with what Hope said:
    I can't imagine the confusion of Mady and Cara yesterday when Jon had ET there filming and let all those Paps get shots into the car!

    After watching the radar footage last night my husband said he can't imagine how she keeps herself from running over those people! Question for the legal people...can she get a restraining order based on that footage? They were all but preventing her from getting her kids on the bus and they are interfering with other children too.

    On a side note I think the kids have to take the bus because the school is near their old house right? That would be a lot of driving plus the paps would just chase her. I don't think they can chase the bus.

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  75. Baby Mama said...
    Schmeckygirl~ Jon was showing the paps Kate's actual cell messages. It wasn't at all that Kate did not want Jon to be there, but that she didn't want them to be there at the same time, and she wanted to split the day and also give him time on the weekend to make up for not staying all night. Jon was fighting (again) it stay all night not only to piss Kate off, but so that the media outside would be talking to Jon all night...
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    Let us first not forget how above and beyond disgusting it is that he is showing the world private emails between a Mother and a Father trying to make the best decisions for there children. And yes Kate was merely offering an idea because lets face it, I am sure you could have cut the tension with a knife at the party. And that is not healthy for the children, so I believe Kate was just trying to make the best of it, trying to come up with a better solution.

    And another thought... you have to remember the twins come home at 4pm and then off to bed at 8pm, so each spending 2 hours with them is not like one is getting more time than the other.

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  76. I'm sorry I called you "Schecky", Schmecky. I was typing and eating at the same time :)

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  77. Just wanted to clarify something regarding Kate's car. I wonder if they could have made adjustments to it to accomodate all the kids making it a nine
    passenger vehicle if it already can be an eight?

    "A Toyota LC is a seven passenger vehicle. However you can get three in the rear seat, making it an eight-passenger car if you have an extra belt installed at the factory."

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  78. monkie said...
    BAM!!!
    Kate deserves the house and the kids. She is the responsible parent here. Jon can have visitation for now, but he will have to bring both cars if he wants to take them anywhere. His fancy cars won't hold 8 kids and himself. Guess Hailey will have to drive one while he drives the other
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    Lets hope and pray that Hailey will NEVER be allowed to be even close to the children. This morning she was dropping the F bomb all over her twitter page. I wouldnt want some one with that mouth and history to be around my children. Again just another example what poor decisions Jon is making and people he is surrounding himself with.


    And Kate already has the house since Jon has chosen to move and have his own place in NY.

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  79. SchmeckyGirl,

    I should have said "longer than she wanted to be there at the same time, or as she proposed." Jon blew this issue way out of proportion out of spite as well as to make her look bad by twisting, giving half-truths, making it seem as if she was fighting him and kicking him off the schedule. She was still being fair to him through her proposal that each split alone time with the kids as an option.

    There's nothing wrong for either of them to propose any changes to original arrangements if done in a fair and civil manner. Kate knows that any changes have to be approved by the other, that's why she asked him first (politely).

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  80. Baby Mama said...
    Just wanted to clarify something regarding Kate's car. I wonder if they could have made adjustments to it to accomodate all the kids making it a nine
    passenger vehicle if it already can be an eight?

    "A Toyota LC is a seven passenger vehicle. However you can get three in the rear seat, making it an eight-passenger car if you have an extra belt installed at the factory."
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    I have a Ford Explorer which is not as big as Kates car and I can put 3 car seats in the back seat. So I think that is a very good point Baby Mama.

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  81. dhwh1993 said...
    I agree with whomever suggested above that Jon should have picked them up AT THE SCHOOL - but I'll add to that, Kate should also then drive them to school as well, and avoid this on-going bus stop drama.
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    I actually agree with this 100%. I turn the sound off when I watch the videos because it makes me sick to my stomach what questions they ask Kate and say to the kids or while the kids are present. Its just aweful, I dont know how she doesnt freak out.
    And as I understand papparazi is not allowed on school grounds so this I think would be much better for the children, because this bus stop frenzy is just not healthy for the children.

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  82. Shared or joint custody can allow for split days or even hours (on the same day) between each parent. Is there something written in stone that says both parents MUST be with the kids at the SAME time for the same length of time?

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  83. On the sosugary site, there are actually women wearing "team Jon" shirts, posing w/ their children, on the other side of the fence at the Gosselin house. It's bad enough what the national media does to these kids, but apparently locals don't think of their feelings either. They'd be thrown off my property in a hot second!!!!!!!!!!! I thought I read they had security at the gate - wouldn't they tell them to leave??

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  84. Jon was saying that Kate was forcing him to only visit for two hours, but when I heard him reading it (not Radar, I thnk ET, he was reading her give the suggestion of the split and the extra time on the week end and ask him if that was agreeable to him. She wanted him to let her know by that evening. He said she was demanding a change, but I don't call that demanding, she was asking for his input.
    I am curious how the Gosselins, especially with so many babysitters are filtering TV and internet for their kids. Either the girls aren't allowed to use the internet at all or they must have some kind of firewall created just for them. Even the front page of AOL is filled with Gosselin gossip. I was glad to see that Kate had security with her this morning, even though it shouldn't have been there for me to see at all. Can't they get some kind of order that forces paparazzi to stay at least a certain number of feet away from the kids and from making derrogatory comments in their earshot. TLC has always had guidelines when filming the kids, but this is different, sometimes they can barely walk without tripping.

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  85. Cars,
    I would normally think that the Arbitrator, will divide them up like this.
    They are keeping the big van for when all the kids go traveling. I think J&K already agreed on that, but don't quote me on it.
    Usually in a divorce each one gets to keep a car. If payments are owing that person is responsible for paying the balance. I f Jon wants both cars then he has to give up some cash if he is going to get any. I hear there is money in another account solely in Kates name, book money, that Jon is entitled to half or 1/3??? He would have to give up claim to somthing if he wants both cars. If I were him(God Forbid) I would sell one car and let Hailey get a job and buy her own car. lol
    The Arbitrator will make a decision soon I hope???
    Gotta go!!!

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  86. I watched the video of Kate and the girls, and Kate is really something. She doesn't take any of the paparazzi's garbage, and I'm sure that she probably wants to scream at them to leave her alone, but she doesn't which is the best thing to do. If I were her I might have run them over with the car! (Kidding!) She is being really strong, and I hope that she does get full-custody. Jon still loves his kids, and they love him but I think that until he get's his act together it should be visitation only. He continues to contradict himself, again and again, and he is not helping his kids- only hurting them. Go team Kate!

    Something that made me laugh.... In the beginning of the video, the paps were talking to Kate and she had the windows up and the doors shut. She obviously can't hear them through the car!! LOL! Just goes to show you that the paps have nothing but air up there!

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  87. SchmeckyGirl said: I don't understand that. "Longer than she wanted"? Jon said he had custody on Thursday, the day of their birthday. If anything, he shared it with her.
    Regardless, their agreement was holidays and birthdays would be shared. I'm not sure why anyone feels Kate should have had a say on the matter. If Jon didn't want Kate there on their actual birth day it would be wrong of him too. Even if he had custody that day... because they agreed they would both be there for the special occasions.
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    Oh Baloney! What a bunch of junk. I swore I was going to just ignore stuff you say but here I go again.
    What the heck do you mean. Kate NEVER tried to take the day and it was a JOINT day not a solo his/hers day. WHAT she offered and asked was if they could split the 4 waking hours the girls would be home with Jon taking the first 2 hours and Kate taking the 2nd half of the day and IN ADDITION she'd give him additional part of the weekend that was her scheduled time. That's not taking his freaking time, that is merely splitting the time to avoid any unpleasantness in the interest of the girls and in compensation giving him more time.

    I know you are always able to take Jon's chicken shxx and turn it in to chicken salad but this just totally amazed me.

    Grrrrr.....you don't have to be a Kate supporter, SchmeckyGirl, but I have a really hard time understanding how you can be so very, very solidly a Jon supporter when he's done the totally dumb stupid things he's done this week??? I just really don't understand it. JUST once, just one time, I'd like to hear you offer support of Kate. You can continue to support Jon but please don't do it at Kate's expense. And we all have to listen enough to Jon reading "HALF" of Kate's email and putting a wrong slant on it. I'm soooo glad Radar put the screen up so you could read it. I really wish you'd start a blog (I know you have one -- maybe you could start another) and make it the "We Blindly Support Jon Gosselin" or something like that. Oh wait....there already is blog like that.....It's filled with GWOPers.

    Can you tell I'm frustrated as all get out by your remarks? You are entitled to feel the way you want and support whom you want. And there'll always be those who follow along with you. And I guess as stupid is Jon is acting he needs somebody other than just Hailey to support him.

    I'm just so doggone sick of the GWOPers cheering on your comments and putting down BabyMama for in their words not being able to tell your true colors.

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  88. Of course J sees nothing wrong with making $ from the kids (ET) but doesn't want Kate to continue making $ from them?

    He also said that Kate should stop talking to the media yet he stated this to tabloid tv (ET)on his media blitz this week in LA. He is the one that can't seem to keep quiet and thrives off the pap attention.

    He is just exposing the world to his hypocritical mind thought. It isn't about his reckless wording it is more about his belief system that I find questionable.

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  89. Hey BabyMama;

    I'm sorry but I just can't watch anymore of these d*** videos of Jon on ET. That is not directed at you, it's directed at the show itself.

    Can you please tell me what he said his "new" job is???

    Thanks!
    Sue

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  90. The paps are usually THAT bad at the bus stop (Thanks DADDY). If he had kept his mouth shut about the email. Heck if they BOTH had keot their mouths shut this week maybe there would have only been the few that usually are there. You would think Pennslyvania would have some law to stop them from harrassing children. Oh well. I think the kids probably enjoy riding the bus. That is a big thing when you start school. I do agree though if she dropeed them off at school, then the paps couldn't take pics of or on school property.

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  91. KatherineDenise said...
    monkie said...
    BAM!!!
    Kate deserves the house and the kids. She is the responsible parent here. Jon can have visitation for now, but he will have to bring both cars if he wants to take them anywhere. His fancy cars won't hold 8 kids and himself. Guess Hailey will have to drive one while he drives the other
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    Lets hope and pray that Hailey will NEVER be allowed to be even close to the children. This morning she was dropping the F bomb all over her twitter page. I wouldnt want some one with that mouth and history to be around my children. Again just another example what poor decisions Jon is making and people he is surrounding himself with.


    And Kate already has the house since Jon has chosen to move and have his own place in NY

    I totally agree with you KD. My posting was in response to #1Caregiver's earlier post. I was just being a little sarcastic!

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  92. Linda, maybe you should switch to decaf? ;-) Please, that was said totally LOL, do not take offense as I did not mean it that way. Just trying to add a little levity to the tension! You said that Schmecky is entitled to her opinion - so then please don't try to demean that sentiment!

    She does not need me or anyone to defend her, she does a good job of that completely on her own. I just couldn't help responding though, you came across as so very angry! And I suppose that you were indeed angry, and you did intend to stir things up, hence your response.

    If Schmecky upsets you, skip over her comments. Lots of people on here take her to task when they don't agree with her. Don't read them if it is only going to result in arguments. And the same as with the "other" sites - don't read them!

    Often enough things that I read from various posters, I find myself strongly disagreeing with. The blind support you accuse Schmecky of having for Jon, I frequently see from many others who stand behind Kate. But I do not retaliate, or argue their points. If they are strongly in support of something I disagree with, how is my arguing the fact going to change that?

    I do enjoy intelligent respectful debate, and to strike back with "gwopper" and accusations of blind support of Jon, when you cannot know the first and the second is untrue - it ruins the point of listening to the view point of the other side, when it's tainted with insults and anger.

    I've continued to read and occasionally post here, because as I said, I can enjoy the opposing point of view when it's presented with reason. And if its not put forth in that format, then there is no logic behind the reasoning and there is no reasoning with a lack of logic.

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  93. The bus stop versus driving the kids to school: it is, from the comments that both Jon and Kate have made, a long drive; 45 minutes to an hour one way. I guess thats why you see them getting on the bus in the dark, each morning, then not getting home until 4 pm. That is a very long day.

    But, regardless of the drive, if they were driven to the school by their parents (who on most days, do not have a "job" to get to) it would be far more preferable to the twice daily feeding frenzy at the bus stop with the cameras. I do not see the media being able to set foot on school property, especially PRIVATE school property.

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  94. Again with the personal attacks. Very classy. I guess some people aren't open to opinions different than their own. What a great way to go through life, be sure to pass that along to your kids.
    Back in the real world, people are free to disagree here, right?
    Just because Schmecky doesn't condemn Jon at every turn, doesn't mean there is something wrong with her. In fact if you read through this ONE thread, you'll see she questioned Jon's actions and motives SEVERAL times. On this one thread alone.
    It all come down to this:
    If the tables were turned; and Jon did the EXACT same thing to Kate regarding the twin's birthday, there'd be hell to pay. I can hear it now "Kate DESERVES to see those kids as much as she wants on their birthday".
    Go ahead and defend Kate with blinders on, maybe she really IS an angel who poops gumdrops and never makes unreasonable requests.

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  95. Linda,

    I got a chuckle out of your line:

    "I know you are always able to take Jon's chicken shxx and turn it in to chicken salad but this just totally amazed me."

    I know that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I think that you are like me, and you just have no patience for the Jon support, because I think that we both agree, that he is off his rocker, plain and simple, and we see through him, like a pane of glass. He is a master manipulator.

    He actually had ET filming in his car driving to the house. He invites the paps and I think that the best line was "More money towards supporting the children. Just leave the kids out of it." That is a joke right? Does anyone really think that he is going to use that money to support the kids? We both know that any money he gets goes to himself, because he is a very, very, selfish man. And leave the kids out of it? As far as I am concerned, he has nothing to offer, besides being their father genetically. He is a moocher and and a leech.

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  96. I definitely think that 2 quality hours with each parent on their birthday would have been better than 4 tension filled hours with both of them. Jon has blown this request of Kate's WAY out of proportion to make her sound bad. He is so screwed up, it's frightening.

    I saw the scenes today of the TLC props being removed from their home. Jon is such an ass for ruining their livelihood. There is no way he will EVER be able to provide for them. He's never been able to hold down a job. I am really feeling anger towards him tonight.

    And for the flack it's going to receive, Linda, I must admit I completely agree with your post above. I am getting very tired of reading Schmecky's remarks, and I just about killed myself laughing at your very creative way of describing it as turning his chicken shxx into chicken salad...love it!!!!!!!!!!!

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  97. Aol has an article where parent dish interviews Jon and I'd like to know if anyone else that reads it is having problems making sense of Jon's thought process. He feels that now the anwer to all of his problems is being around Jewish people like Hailey and his lawyer. He thinks he is the second most popular person in the world behind Michael Jackson. He feels that he is taking the high road by renting his Manhattan apartment that Hailey stays it (he doesn't say pays for) because if he stayed in his apartment on his 8,000 square foot property it would make Kate uncomfortable. This is some piece of work.

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  98. AAAH Linda! I feel your pain. I have learned that scrolling is my only defense against the frustration of antagonizing posts. Some days my finger gets darn tired from all the scrolling I have to do. When I do have the courage to read them which is rare these days, I often find you countering exactly my thoughts. We seem to be on the same wave length most of the time so thanks for carrying the burden of fighting the battle. And don't be surprised when many posts from names you don't recognize come to the defense and blast your post. Just know others have your back and sympathize with your frustrations.

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  99. back to the topic of Kate....

    I'm glad to read and hope it is true that BF Jaime is spending much time at Kates this summer. Maybe Jaime can move to PA since I presume she is the BFF that is going through a divorce that Kate spoke of earlier this year. Kate deserves another strong lifelong supportive friend nearby.

    I am also so impressed by her smalltown lawyer today. Since J has taken away Kates ability to make a living in her only current occupation, she not only is correct in seeking but is due child support and spousal support from J.

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  100. Ok we just figured out who THE INSIDERS source is!
    "Mady Gosselin breaks into tears at birthday party. A source tells "The Insider" that while most of the festivities were jovial, there were a few tears at the birthday party for Jon and Kate Gosselin's twins Mady and Cara.

    We're told that little Mady became emotional at the end of the party, bursting into tears. She was allegedly upset that her father had to leave and go back to his hotel rather than stay at the house."

    There was no one other than JON himself that even spoke to anyone at The Insider. So to actually use this as their cover story was so wrong and horrible. Their huge "GOSSELIN PARTY WAS A BUST" logo was a total lie. First of all we have no idea if he made this up just to get sympathy, and even if it was true..that made the party a bust???

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  101. Linda I guess that Terri may be right and scrolling might be the answer to avoiding confrontation. I will let you know if it works.

    They both deserved to see the children on their birthday and Kate was not trying to cut Jon out she was trying to come up with a compromise. IMO There was no ulterior motive. With all the crap that Jon has said about Kate over the past week, did he expect differently? I wonder if in his mind he thinks that there is nothing wrong with what he is doing. Jon has been on The Insider and ET talking about real, real, personal issues, which is disgraceful, because in his eyes he thinks that he can garner public support by painting a very ugly picture of Kate. His Attorney even said it on Larry King, they are trying to win in the court of public opinion; however, IMO it is not working as he is making a total a$$ out of himself. He contradicts himself at every turn, he cannot even get a birthday cake with his daughter's name spelled right. He has ET filming him buying birthday gifts, the day before their birthdays. He has no job, all this time on his hands, and he waits until the last minute to get them gifts? He is thoughtless to his wife and his kids by talking about his family in a personal way to the media and the paps. And I agree with tashapork and the latest interview that he gave with AOL parent dish. He is nuts.. But even better TMZ is stating:

    "TMZ has learned Jon Gosselin's lawyer may be aced out of the Jon and Kate case because the person who vouched for him in Pennsylvania has withdrawn his support.

    "We've learned Pennsylvania lawyer Michael Marino sponsored Mark Heller -- Jon's lawyer -- to practice one time only in Pennsylvania court. Heller is licensed to practice in New York, though he had been suspended for 5 years for a variety of misdeeds.

    Under Penn law, an out of state lawyer seeking to practice in a Pennsylvania court must obtain a sponsor who is licensed to practice in the state. Marino signed up as his sponsor, but yesterday, he wrote the court a letter in which he said, "My motion ... is hereby withdrawn."

    It's interesting Marino sent the letter after revelations of Heller's legal misdeeds in NY.

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  102. If that is true about Mady crying, people are probably taking it out of context, for starters, even if divorcing parents are doing exactly as they should, children hope that their parents will get back together and they have a hard time accepting and understanding divorce. Also Mady tends to get emotional when things don't go the way she planned. You see it on most episodes of the show. It doesn't mean she is bad or has emotional problems, it is just the way she is. The kids' crying has never particulaly bothered him and he's said it on numerous occasions.

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  103. I don't completely agree with side Jon or side Kate. I think a lot of people (not just on here... a lot in general) think that because they support or like one side, they can't find fault with that side.

    Both Jon and Kate have a lot of faults that have been broadcast throughout the media. Kate was very demanding, sometimes nasty toward Jon... etc. and most recently being on t.v. saying she will work at McDonalds and has no $$ to pay bills. Really? Come on... do you really think she only has $1000 in the bank right now? She is playing it up completely. I am not saying Jon wasn't horrible for taking out the $$ and essentially stealing it. Just that Kate is playing it up for all it's worth to the media now.

    And Jon was too complacent in his marriage. I think that he equally yelled and belittled her, but his yelling was edited out. (Remember the episode where they were arguing about the post office, and the jowls of a dog). Most recently his behavior is appalling and completely immature for a man of his age and with his responsibilities. Not to mention the stealing of $$ and the temper tantrum about being excluded from the show, making sure his kids won't film anymore.

    Neither party is blameless, and in reality both parties have been behaving in a way that makes them seem immature and vindictive. They need to remember that their children WILL eventually see all of these stories, and they need to get themselves out of the media.

    Personally I think I lean more towards Kate's side because her behavior has been more mature than Jon's, but I certainly don't believe either of them have been behaving in ways that they should. They need to remember that kids pick up on waaaay more than adults realize. My mother's parents went through a divorce when she was a teen, and my grandmother refused to let her kids even speak about their father. Actually now some of her children are estranged from her because of the way she was speaking about her ex in front of her child grandchildren.

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  104. I hope that Kate's Camp is compiling all of this information as he is leaking out of information to both ET and The Insider. I mean he even betrayed Mady's confidence, by telling everyone that she finks on her mother. What father does that? He will definitely write a tell all book and he will end up betraying his whole family, because he knows no boundaries.

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  105. I'm so sick of Jon and his actions! You know I wouldn't mind so much about his gripping about the party and not being able to stay b/c I think he should have been able to IF he hadn't sold out his family again! He was being paid for everything! Picking the girls up from school, the cake, all the dirty details! And if you don't think he is then go drink another cup of Koolaid! He is seriously one of the lowest people I have ever seen! He should not have been advertising for the girls b-days at all!! He could have had a cake privately made in PA and delivered! That would have spelled her name right if he had been the one to order it..and it wouldn't have been ugly! He probably only got Maddy a laptop so she can email him and tell him whatever it is that is going on which is very sad b/c she is just a little girl and should NOT be in the middle! I'm sure she did cry if he "had" to leave and I'm sure he made a scene about it as well! He leaves a lot of details out when explaining anything! I'm really curious how the week will unfold with the judges money and the show..I just don't know anymore. But I do feel that if he is ready to stop the show then he better damn well be ready to pay child support!! I think Kate should get full custody and his be limited b/c he has proven that he is unsafe with the children by selling out to the Paps any moments he can!! And being with a druggie gf, partying lifestyle the list goes on and on! Kate better keep her big time lawyer she is going to need him!

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  106. Don't worry about that article in the Insiders. I mean it's an unnamed source so how much credit does it deserve? None.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about as far as the different "camps" of opinions here.

    The general attitude seems to be, when something is written which portrays Kate negatively; it's wrong and horrible and obviously a lie; and ALSO, Jon must be behind it all.

    When you read something that trashes Jon, it's "OMG OMG look what he did NOW, I'm not sure it's true but WOW he is so awful." Kate has PR spin doctors too you know, and they're quite adept at being "unnamed sources".

    And just because some people happen to like to know the facts behind it all, when they say "hold on where's the proof", it's assumed they worship Jon.

    I'd defend Kate the same way against stories that trash her for no reason, but y'all NEVER TALK ABOUT those stories because they're dismissed out of hand! As they should be, when the sources are unknown!

    Think about it. You give Kate the benefit of the doubt more than Jon. So obviously it's going to seem one-sided when someone says "has that been proven" yet AGAIN.

    For instance, there is an article in a magazine this week that says Kate is "cracking" and spanks her kids all the time. I haven't seen much talk about it here; and I'm glad, because the source isn't known to my knowledge.

    If someone were going "OMG OMG Kate is going insane, she's cracking, I think she's bi-polar" I'd HAPPILY say "uhhhhhhh where is your proof?"

    This doesn't mean I worship Kate blindly. The same goes for Jon. But there is so much crap written here about Jon that is totally unproven; I honestly do feel the need to say "stop. Where is your proof".

    Go ahead and skip through all my posts if they irritate you, I could care less. I like posting here. It's fun. I care about these kids, and I want the best for them. IMO it would involve giving them a life without cameras. Paparazzi aren't going to follow them forever, interest will fade, other people will take center stage.

    I like to see both sides, and I like honesty backed up with facts. Without facts, it's rumor and gossip.

    Did you know that Kate is dating Ryan Seacrest? Yeah I'm your source for that little nugget of nonsense. See how easy it is to post fiction on the internet? Right there it is, for you to believe or not to believe.

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  107. I just watched ET and they are saying that they will have minute to minute updates of Jon and Kate's weekend and he is showing them and they are showing on TV portions of Kate's emails. I am sure that Mady was upset, but why is he leaking this personal information to the media. Is he on their payroll? Is this the way that he is going to make a living?

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  108. He says that he wants to be a role model. He has absolutely no morals or values. He has not been faithful to his wife and he has not been faithful to Hailey. That poor naive girl, she does not know what she is getting herself into. She should run away fast and hide.

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  109. Linda, and Terri, and whoever else jumped on the bandwagon...

    First of all I NEVER said Kate was trying to take the day from Jon. I know she "asked" and hoped he'd agree. He didn't. I felt that's within his rights. And obviously it was because he stayed. Don't take it out on me, I didn't word their custody agreement.

    Second, I wrote that Jon was "supposed to" have custody Thursday but since it fell on a birthday they have joint custody. And you agree so what's the argument there?

    As for the rest of the crap you were spewing, I don't go on GWOP. Why you would go there and read all that crap if you hate it so is beyond me. Apparently you read the comments there and decide to come over here and take it out on me. I have no control over what those people write.

    To complain about GWOPers and then come here and act like one is so disrespectful to Baby Mama's blog. If she doesn't want my comments here she won't post them. You are doing a diservice to her blog by doing what GWOPers do to other posters with a different opinion.

    If I disagree with someone here I don't rag on them personally for their "blind support" of Kate.

    I have NEVER went on another blog bashing Baby Mama, or said anything disrespectful to her here. Why you would go support those sites by reading them and then coming here and announcing that you read them is something I don't understand. You are only adding fuel to the fire.

    So people agree with some of my opinions... how do I control that? And so what? You have 20 people here agreeing with yours. As for their opinion of me and my true colors, they don't know me. I don't know them. When I was invited to join their blogs I specifically told them I would never say anything negative about Baby Mama and thanks but no thanks. She welcomed me here and has been very cordial to me despite our differences in opinion. I will post here as long as she continues to let me. You don't like it... skip me. It should be easy, my face is right next to my comments.

    What I find hypocritical is that you tell me I'm entitled to my own opinion but in the next breath you tell me I'm not. At least not on here. And then to go open my own blog. You have the same option.

    As for my blind support of Jon that's your opinion. You obviously pick and choose what you want from what I write. I'm especially not a very solid Jon supporter. Apparently if someone doesn't bash Jon left and right they are a Jon supporter. There are two sides to every story, to every divorce. Most people here only show Kate's side. I try to be balanced.

    I don't hate Kate, but I do not support her. I just don't think she is genuine. I think Jon is genuine. He may be a genuine idiot but he's genuine. That's my opinion.

    I will support Kate when she gets her own career and gets her children off the television, and not because she has no choice but because she feels it's in the best interest of her children.

    I will support her when she gets them therapy to help them with the divorce and all the media attention they have to face about themselves and about their parents.

    I will applaud her when she makes a public apology to Jon for treating him the way she did. She said she regretted it. Let everyone who witnessed it know she's sorry.

    That's MY opinion. I'm sure you don't agree. I won't lose sleep over that. I won't feel so much frustration that I feel the need to attack you personally.

    Why do you feel threatened when another opinion is given? And I notice it's with me in particular. There are others here that also have some of the same thoughts I do on the matter yet you keep singling me out. I'm fine with that. I can take it. I'm just getting sick of having these conversations in Baby Mama's blog. You don't like me but you just keep drawing the attention to me instead of what the blog is supposed to be about. Jon and Kate.

    I'm sorry Baby Mama to take up room on your blog with my reply. Thank you for posting it. (If you do! lol)

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  110. rkc~ Obviously I would never print your posts if I didn't respect or perhaps "GASP" agree with what you are saying on occasion..

    But my point was always this. There are several hate sites that live and breathe to bash Kate even going as far attacking how she looks??Yeah whatever. And they post 300+ times about the same thing.

    But this is MY site, I am very pro Kate and support her 98% of the time (percentages vary by day lol). So where did it become my job to have the 100% fair and balanced board? I went so far as to allow many who obviously post on said other sites as well as my own to come here and say what they have to say. I chose to be fair and tried to be balanced, when lets face it, I don't have to.

    And bottom line is this, if anyone doesn't like the way things are run here, they can go elsewhere. I have this space for the fans of the show. I never meant for this to be the middle of the playground.. but here we are. And it will stay that way, and without any Kate slander, because I am in charge. So if I hate Jon right now for all that hes doing to his family, chances are that is going to be how a majority of the posts will be...

    Cause thats the way I like it...for right now at least...And forgive me for my lack of posts this week. I will def. have a new one by tomorrow!

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  111. I totally agree Jon needs to stop the media interviews regarding their divorce and their personal matters, but did everyone forget that on Monday Kate went on national television and called Jon a thief. And not just stealing some money but everything they had in their account to survive on.

    How can you blame him for wanting to set the record straight on that?

    He claims he didn't. If Jon did steal the money that is a matter for the courts, not the Today show. If he "stole" money that he wasn't entitled to or at least thought he was entitlted to then he will get what he deserves. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? The jury (or judge) is still out on this one.

    Again, I prefer to reserve judgment until I know the facts.

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  112. I do not know what you mean "rkc" everything that I have commented on I have seen with "my own two eyes" and I have heard with "my own two ears". Jon has been on TV shows for over a week now. Jon was the one caught with Deanna, my daughter's own friends saw him strolling college bars early this year, he was in France with his stylist "Hailey" (now Jon is saying that ED Hardy used him), he was in the Hamptons with Kate Major, Stephanie Santoro was filmed sneaking out of his apartment. And he has tried to justify every single incident, next he will be saying that the moon is made of bleu cheese and you guys will believe him.

    Now The Insider and ET have become his confidants. He continually opens his mouth and says one thing and then the next minute something else. Is he just confused? Is he on drugs? Is there something mentally wrong with him? I have only seen with my own eyes, one picture of Kate giving one of her kids a swat on the butt for misbehaving. If I saw her acting erratically I would be the first one to call her on the carpet for it.

    He wants them off of TLC for spite and then cuts deals to have them filmed by ET??? You guys continue to make excuses for Jon and I guess some of us on this blog, just don't get it.

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  113. Baby Mama I feel that most of us post on what we have seen and heard. I am not coming to my conclusions by listening to things that are not substantiated. This where we get frustrated. I do not think that I have ever commented on things that do not matter IMO. I try to stick to important issues like honesty, character, morals, values, and integrity. Kate is not perfect we know that, but none of us are. I am not trying to hold Jon to a "higher than thou" standard, but I cannot stand to look at him now, because I see a dishonest lying cheater. It's in his eyes and it's in his body language. He squirms around when he is being interviewed because he knows that he is not being truthful. All I can say is God help his children I pray that they turn out ok.

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  114. Baby Mama! I totally agree with you. This is YOUR blog. What you choose to NOT post is your decision. And what you DO choose to post is your decision too.

    To me anyone that complains about the comments you allow is questioning your decisions about your blog.

    I, for one, think your blog is much more interesting with varying opinions and I like the conversational aspect of it. Others see it as confrontation but I don't.

    I think your blog traffic probably speaks for itself. You said you get a lot of hits and a lot of readers. Good for you!

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  115. I would hope that Kate would not begin this legal action about the money, if she did not have proof and evidence. The court papers look pretty clear cut, but Jon and his attorneys will try to cloud this issue, by bringing up other issues. But I agree, lets wait to see what plays out in the courts. The money issue is a serious issue, but I am more concerned with his behavior, his lack of values and morals. How does he think that he is the poster boy for being a good role model? He is delusional. He has been on TV for over a week, and based on the previews of both The Insider and ET, it does not look like it is going to end anytime soon. He is divulging personal, personal information and he is talking to everyone, the paps and people by the fence to the people on the streets in NY. I even saw an interview he was giving on the streets of NY and some woman, I presume from his camp, sounded very annoyed and not happy and she asked him what he was doing. His camp has to know that he is acting irresponsibly. I mean he let the media film the dogs being taken away and proceeded to blame Kate for it because he decided to move to an apartment in NY. Some one needs to either get him a role of duct tape or he needs to be muzzled. IMO he is harming himself and everyone around him.

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  116. NJMOM said...
    I do not know what you mean "rkc" everything that I have commented on I have seen with "my own two eyes" and I have heard with "my own two ears". Jon has been on TV shows for over a week now. Jon was the one caught with Deanna, my daughter's own friends saw him strolling college bars early this year, he was in France with his stylist "Hailey" (now Jon is saying that ED Hardy used him), he was in the Hamptons with Kate Major, Stephanie Santoro was filmed sneaking out of his apartment. And he has tried to justify every single incident, next he will be saying that the moon is made of bleu cheese and you guys will believe him.

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    NJMOM, I think maybe it's a misunderstanding. Maybe what I type isn't read as I mean it, or something! We are not blindly supporting Jon.

    I totally get that all those stories and "proof" is out there but what has really been proven? Like you said... you saw Kate give a swat to her child's bottom. One swat. But what about the big spoon in the car? I've seen it. The stories of repeated spankings and abusive behavior? There's no proof. It's all speculation or rumor. How many people believe she beats her kids?

    What about Kate and Steve? The "affair". The "adjoined rooms", the "kiss Mady saw". The pics of them going into the hotel together. Dining together. All speculation and rumor. She denies it. That's good enough for everyone here. I even said I don't think she's having an affair with him. But if I found out she was I wouldn't be surprised.

    No concrete evidence for any of it.

    Pics of Jon with women is not "proof" he had sex with any of them. It's CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. We can base what we believe happened on that but we don't "know".

    Going to a college bar does not prove he had sex with college girls. Do I think Jon slept with any of them? I think he may have. But he denies it! He swears Deanna drove his car because he had too much to drink. NONE of them have proof. No hotel receipts. No text messages. No pictures of them in private.

    I just can't accuse anyone based on what I think. I can't take 8 children's father away from them based on that "evidence".

    He admitted to being with Hailey. He "claims" the marriage was over before that. Kate said she has a different version but won't go into it because it's "private" so who to believe? Kate? Why? Because... she's not making a public spectacle of herself? That's not enough. Not for me.

    We aren't stupid. We don't have blinders on. We just choose to not believe "unnamed sources". We know there are three sides to every story. His side, her side and the truth. We know a picture can say a thousand words. A thousand DIFFERENT words.

    Look at the pic of the nanny grabbing Collins arm. Holding him in a death grip. Yelling at him. All the kids crying. That can be interpreted so many different ways. Maybe she was in the middle of saying NO Collin, we don't hit. Maybe he was pulling away from her. Maybe she's horrible to them. We don't "know". That's our point.

    I read so many people on here that say "I'm sure" Kate would do this. "I'm sure" Kate would never allow that. How is anybody "sure" about this stuff. Say you "don't think" because we can't be sure about anything unless we are there.

    Speculation and personal opinion are not enough. In my opinion.

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  117. SchmeckyGirl said...
    I totally agree Jon needs to stop the media interviews regarding their divorce and their personal matters, but did everyone forget that on Monday Kate went on national television and called Jon a thief. And not just stealing some money but everything they had in their account to survive on.

    How can you blame him for wanting to set the record straight on that?
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    Ummm He has gone WAYYY beyond setting the record straight. Getting paid to report on your children's birthday party and telling everyone that Mady broke down in tears, I mean how is she going to feel when she finds out he told everyone that?? Not to mention I dont think showing personal emails to everyone is setting the record straight.

    He could of simply denied (which he did) that he didnt take the money and went to court to prove it. NOPE he went and sold his children's birthday party to benifit himself. And yes I agree whoever earlier mentioned he isnt going to use the money to support his kids, Kate pays those bills.

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  118. NJMOM said...
    "TMZ has learned Jon Gosselin's lawyer may be aced out of the Jon and Kate case because the person who vouched for him in Pennsylvania has withdrawn his support.

    "We've learned Pennsylvania lawyer Michael Marino sponsored Mark Heller -- Jon's lawyer -- to practice one time only in Pennsylvania court. Heller is licensed to practice in New York, though he had been suspended for 5 years for a variety of misdeeds.

    Under Penn law, an out of state lawyer seeking to practice in a Pennsylvania court must obtain a sponsor who is licensed to practice in the state. Marino signed up as his sponsor, but yesterday, he wrote the court a letter in which he said, "My motion ... is hereby withdrawn."

    It's interesting Marino sent the letter after revelations of Heller's legal misdeeds in NY.
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    OMG if this is true...ha things will continue to go down hill for Jon and we dont have to see that sleazebag lawyer anymore, hes had his 15 min anyway. Very very interresting!!

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  119. I love and appreciate everyone that comes here. That is the truth. (minus any crazies or psychos lol) I put up a new post with Jon...and some new articles. Read them on their sites and tell me all what you think. I swear he's not even my husband and I really want to choke him!
    xoxox

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  120. SchmeckyGirl said...

    "Pics of Jon with women is not "proof" he had sex with any of them. It's CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. We can base what we believe happened on that but we don't "know".

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    What about both Kate Major and Stephanie Santoro both saying that Jon had a sexual relationship with them. There have been witnesses that have seen Jon and Deanna making out at the bar in PA. Is that not proof? How much proof do you need? Or are you going to tell me that you will believe Jon's denial rather than what those women have said. There is a pattern of behavior, you can choose to not acknowledge it or you can ignore it.

    He has admitted that he has made mistakes, but when pushed, he does not clarify what those mistakes are. Why? and not that it is any of our business, but he is obviously being vague to avoid telling the public the truth. I guess unless you see actual photographs or videos, you are not going to believe it. Again, your choice. At least David Letterman, was a man, he got caught, and he owned up to his mistakes.

    I never said that going out to college bars meant that he was having sex? I was using that as an example of, IMO, a string of Jon's very bad choices. Has he committed a murder, no, has he robbed a bank, no. But, again IMO disgusting behavior for a married man with eight children. He was the one saying that he did not want his kids to "Google" him and be embarrassed.

    Your right both Kate and Steve deny an affair. The spoon in the car was explained that it was Jon that had the spoon in the car, after the lemonade sale. I choose to believe those stories at this time.

    Let me say this again, I am not a Kate lover, but IMO many of the stories about Kate's bad behavior are from the haters because they are jealous of her success. On GWOP they will rag on her hair, her clothes, her shoes, her speech, her lawn furniture, etc... . All of that is irrelevant. She is not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, and she has admitted that. I think that she has become more aware of her faults and I think that she is trying to work on them.

    You ask me what has been proven about Jon? How long of a day do you have? Enough said. I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree. GU .

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  121. SchmeckyGirl - I do owe you an apology and I want to make it. I should have deleted and not posted my comment. You are indeed entitled to any opinion you choose to have. I don't normally go to GWOP sites and I never posted there. I was at other sites (Philly Magazine and the ReadingEagle newspaper) trying to track down statements Jon and Kate had said. It was there that I read statements quoting your comments from here and belittling BabyMama. Regardless, I should have scrolled over and will do my best to do so in the future.
    Who knows? You are right. We see, even at TLC an edited version. Maybe we'll see an unedited version down the road.

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  122. This whole thing reminds me of the first "reality" family show in the '70's..they too ended up divorcing and the show ended after that.

    This one is much worse though..knowing that the media will eat it up both Jon and Kate are trying to use it to their advantage. Obviously there is big $$ at stake.

    Having said that..it seems Jon is saying one thing and doing another. He seems to be drinking more, more sex, cigarettes, eating more and gaining weight..all of that points to a possible addictive personality. People like that usually also have some degree of narcissism (all about ME!).

    They both need help..and counseling.

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