Friday, August 20, 2010

The Piranha Has Babies, Is Jon Gosselin Helping INF? When Parents Date Again

Photo: Spash News Hello Gosselin fans! Just when you think one hate site is going down the tubes, you realize that quite a few smaller incarnations have simply sprung up in their place. I finally got the chance to go to our "Piranha 3D lol" GWOP recently and saw that the site is practically on snooze. A size that once posted over 500 comments in one post is now reduced to a weekly recap with 50 commenters. And while we all thought that we could rejoice, it appears that a few smaller sites wanting tighter control of comments are now sprouting all over the place. Quality not quantity guys..lets all hope that these little sites disappear soon!

Jon Gosselin is a smart guy. He always seems to have a new young girlfriend every few months. He keeps his mouth shut and spends the past 6 months recently doing absolutely nothing. He also keeps all the info he needs handy by reading his weekly In Touch...In Touch?? (See photo below)The same trash paper that uses none other than  INF which employs some guy name Chris. Why is this even important? Well this guy seems to be the one person that REFUSES to leave this family alone. But this is good for him (hes the sole guy that gets all the Gosselin info. and once again shows us all how SMART Jon Gosselin is..Despite Kate dealing with tons of paps when she's out, she can't seem to get rid of this one particular annoyance of a guy that follows them wherever they go..Reprinted from their site: "Jessica, inquiring minds want to know…is Chris THE ONLY pap trailing Kate and Jon (and supplying photos) these days? We all assume that to be a fact, so if you could confirm or deny, it’d be much appreciated."
"Jessica @ INF Daily
August 19, 2010, 7:40 pm^^Most of the time, yes. When the Gosselins are getting more press other agencies cover them for a few days (like during the first week of their separation). And once in a while another guy will randomly show up for an hour. Most of the others are NY-based and aren’t willing to trek to Reading consistently. Chris is very devoted ;-)"

If this guy wouldn't keep hounding this family, maybe there wouldn't be such a fuss over the Gosselin family. This guy has followed this family absolutely everywhere, by evidence below of NYC & Bald Head Island. So my question is, do you think that Jon is sourcing them the whereabouts of Kate? How do they know where she is at all times unless this guy is a serious stalker?
 
Are Celeb Parents Introducing Their Kids To Their New ‘Significant Others’ Too Soon?: Full Article on Hollywoodlife.com
Stars like Kate Hudson, Jenny McCarthy and Jon Gosselin have fallen into new relationships hard and fast, but what effect is their speed dating having on their children? Some Hollywood celebrities seem to have a revolving door when it comes to relationships, and while I’m not going to stand here in judgment of their “now you see ‘em, now you don’t” style of dating, I do wonder about the impact it is having on their kids. Psychiatrist Dr. Susan Abbott of New York’s Mount Sinai School of Medicine says that speed need to be careful about the people they introduce into their kid’s life. “We usually warn parents against bringing in figures who the child could get attached to before the parent is sure that the new figure is going to be around,” she says. “Kids attach fairly easily and can be hurt and damaged when these new attachments leave. Kids don’t really understand the fundamentals of an adult relationship so they aren’t really able to understand that it’s not personal.”

Dr. Abbott says that she has treated children who have been in these situations and these kids “still count these experiences and lost relationships as losses years later. These lost relationships can be factors that lead to depression.” But if there was an award for thinking with his little head instead of his big one, the prize would totally go to Jon Gosselin, who has had no less than five “significant others” in his life since splitting with his wife, Kate, a little over a year ago. I pity Jon and Kate’s eight kids. Well, I feel sorry for them them for lots of reasons, but Daddy’s Bimbo of the Week parade (Hailey Glassman, nanny Stephanie Santoro, Kate Major, Morgan Christie, Ellen Ross) must be one of the most unsettling things for these children to deal with.

Jon’s ex-wife was in tears on the Today show as she discussed the 33-year-old’s rebound relationship with Hailey less than a month after their marriage crumbled, “It’s hurtful when his decisions directly affect our children. That’s the hardest part for me.” And for once, I agree with her.

135 comments:

  1. Hmmm... Interesting choices Baby Mama. Gotta think about them. With the FL mention in the last post, are you packed yet? On a different note, it's taco Friday here and I'm sure hoping it isn't like your gyros yesterday.

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  2. I don't think this article has the correct info of who Jon introduced to the kids.
    Stephanie, Not. (It was behind their backs)
    Hailey, I thought she met the kids once, not sure.
    As for the rest, they were never introduced to the kids.
    Ellen has been the real first stable girl in his life and they seem happy and with the kids.

    Whatever happened with the others is the past and both Jon and Kate need to get over it.

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  3. I think Kate has every right to be angry about Jon's behaviour regarding women. He was seeing someone as soon as him and Kate broke up. He appeared to flaunt around the fact that his new girlfriend was miles better than Kate. He suggested that what he had with Kate was not real and what he had with the new person was really, true love.

    I think he is hurtful and intentionally tries to passive-aggressively express his pain. He appears to be unable to be alone and goes on to rebound again and again. I understand that they are divorced and Jon should be allowed to move on, but he really hasn't been out of a relationship since he left Kate.

    In saying this, I do think that he is put in a bad light about dating so many women. I would really like to see the women listed in a chronological way, to confirm that he dates someone new every couple of months. I don't think he does. I think he can't be alone, I think he is hurtful and immature, but I also think he has only truly dated a few women.

    I agree with #1CG - has has only introduced the kids to three women. Although, I would have expected him to wait to date, he didn't. But he also didn't drag the kids through many, many women either.



    In saying this

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  4. Interesting post about introducing kids to others. I'm hoping Ellen lasts. I can hope. I am also hoping he finds something new in sponsors in Tweeter.

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  5. Might just be me but even if the kids were just introduced to 3, that is still alot of women for one year. The children do seem to have developed a relationship with Ellen, fingers crossed it works out for all their sake.

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  6. Just want to make it clearer, if I can. LOL
    Stephanie was just introduced as a Nanny not a girl friend.
    He was going to have Hailey meet the kids and Kate said no too early and he agreed not. 1 point for Jon.

    I am only counting one, Ellen that has been introduced as his GF.

    Also, last year Kate said she was screening everything they watch on TV, and on their computers. I hope she still is doing that.

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  7. Although brief, at same time as Hailey, didn't Kate Majors also visit the house? Kate G can screen tv and turn over magazine covers, but how do you block when kids are sleeping over with friends? Or, when a pap is yelling, "Hey Kate,how do you feel about Jon's new GF in Utah?" He took Ellen to the house when they'd been dating a whole 2 months. How the heck do you know much of anything about how much or even whether you love somebody after 2 months. He took Deanna to the house also. I WANT him to be happy and I hope that's Ellen. Even the main page of Yahoo, etc has junk about Jon sometimes so how do you block everything?

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  8. Many years ago Jackie Kennedy was able to get a restraining order against Ron Galella, photographer, who somewhat invented the paparazzi-style. Wonder if Kate could get this trash legally farther away from the house?

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  9. Add Deanna Hummel and then before her a series of one niters with various college coeds to the mix. Also remember the horrible meltdown of Kate crying at the Gate, police were called,...she went there bcause of a phone call from one of the twins when Santoro and Jon were in the hot tub together. They were not even divorced then. As a mother, how would you feel about something like that? Kids aren't stupid...and you are right, especially the twins probably have heard alot more from friends who surf the net. The "I despise her" remark will forever go down as one of the most cruel and classless things Jon has done. Kate is a saint compared to him in the dating department. And poor Kate, even though she might want some companionship...she has no time to seek it. Jon has nothing but time on his hands. Kate has been hurt far more than Jon...I think it is cold hearted to tell her just to forget it all and move on.

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  10. Hello everyone. I know these are 2 very different thoughts put together, but both things I was thinking about and wanted to share them with you. One kinds continues on the thoughts and debate we had in the last post regarding Jon tiping off this guy Chris from INF.

    My second train of thought was this really good article regarding celebrities dating and how their kids handle it. Click on the link to read the whole thing. I only kept what pertained to John, and your right in saying the person that wrote the article may not have known the whole backstory.

    There were rumors that Hailey met the kids. I asked her tonight on Twitter and hopefully she will answer it. But I do feel that Jon talked ot the kids about her as his girlfriend because so much was going on he had to. Stephanie was probably intoduced as a friend/nanny (yuck). The Morgan situation was short so who knows. Kate Major again was short lived, so Ellen is technically the first one he has proabably talked to the kids seriously about.

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  11. BM said - so Ellen is technically the first one he has proabably talked to the kids seriously about
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    I wonder if we are chastising Jon too harshly, when the kids may have only met his "first" girlfriend. First to them.

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  12. I totally think that Jon informs Chris and probably gets paid for it.

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  13. I am getting the distinct impression that I do not have the same schedule as everyone else. When I am on, no one else is and then when I can't be on, I log on to over 50 comments. LOL.

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  14. This is totally random but does anyone know where Kate's green and white dress in the top right photo is from??? :)

    BM: Are you going to Disney now? So excited for you! I will follow your tweets about it. Trying to talk my hubby into a 2nd round this year since the weather sucked when we were there. MouseSavers.com has a great coupon code for La Nouba fyi.

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  15. I will be leaving next week. I'm so obsessed and excited I want to scream. Expect a post from Linda who will be taking over my blog for me ;)

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  16. Opps speaking of our dear Kate Gosselin. What was our wonderful mommy doing today? Why going shoe shopping with the kids of course? So who do you think told everyone that the Gosselin kids were there? It was a HUGE crowd of people there after being TIPPED off....

    After a week filled with bargain shopping with her twin girls, Kate Gosselin brought out the whole brood on Friday to film a trip to a local shoe store. Kate, in a hot pink top and hot pink heels, and her eight kids (plus bodyguard Steve Neild) stopped into a Stride Rite store in Quakertown, Pennsylvania. As a camera crew stood by, Kate and her kids perused the store, stopping to try on some favorites.

    Though they closed the store as the family shopped, Kate posed for photos with some fans who were waiting outside. As a group of people looked on, the large group left the store clutching their bags of shoes as they made their way to their huge van.

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/08/photos-kate-gosselin-finds-her-stride-during-filming

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  17. I don't think Hailey met the kids. The article was discussing bringing someone into their lives and the only "relationship" he brought in that they actually met was Ellen. I do think he should have waited though but with all the people that those kids have loved and considered "family" or actually were family what's one more.

    Of all things in their lives these past five years that can possibly scar those kids long term I think meeting Ellen will be the least of them.

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  18. Someone definitely tips of the one and only pap Chris. Jon may tip him off when he is doing something but I don't see how he could tip them off where Kate will be. How would he even know all the details? I really doubt it's him doing it.

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  19. Baby Mama,
    I'm so excited for you about Disney! I have to wait until November. If you go to Mama Melrose in Hollywood Studios try to calamari! And the pot roast (lunch only) at Liberty Tree Tavern in M.K.
    Have a great time!

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  20. Up there in her interview with Extra, Kate keeps saying that she wants a man who will take charge, but I really wonder if that is just grass is greener kind of thought. I just don't see her playing second fiddle to anyone else. Remember when she was trying to teach Tony how to teach her. I think Kate needs to be in control, however I think she would like someone more on top of things that she doesn't have to mother.
    One thing I've noticed about the Gosselin kids is that they seem to do okay having many different people in and out of their lives, babysitters, film crews, Beth and her family, Beverly, the Kreiders, etc and they seem to be resilient enough to shake it off so I don't see how Jon's girlfriend is much different for them. My concern with the kids' exposure to media is how well it is controlled in Jon's apartment. Kate probably has firewalls, and password protection, etc, but does Jon pay close enough attention. We know that he twitters and such when they are around, he could very easily leave the computer on with a compromising picture or story about Kate, and and then say oops sorry, it was an accident when they see it. I bet that kind of stuff really stresses Kate out and there is not much she can do about it.

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  21. On those 2 videos, Chris has to be walking right by Steve Neild. Can he not make him leave? What good is a bodyguard that seems to be a little too cozy with a paparazzi?

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  22. Tashapork said...
    Up there in her interview with Extra, Kate keeps saying that she wants a man who will take charge, but I really wonder if that is just grass is greener kind of thought. I just don't see her playing second fiddle to anyone else. Remember when she was trying to teach Tony how to teach her. I think Kate needs to be in control, however I think she would like someone more on top of things that she doesn't have to mother.
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    I totally agree. I think Kate wants someone that knows what she wants done and how she wants it done and will just do it. However, that's not a mate, that's an employee.

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  23. Denise,
    Yeah, he asks a woman on the beach to delete pics of the kids yet the pap seems to be given free reign. Why not try blocking the shots at the very least. I think the paps are used for publicity purposes. Or should I say pap...

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  24. Just a randomn question. Jon Gosselin is a Gosselin and is very much a part of the Gosselin family. I came to this page The Gosselin Family Fansite, thinking it was going to be a place that excepted both parents for who they are and all of the children, but I see the opposite. I see a site that at every other turn is swinging at Jon. On the last post, there was a list made of topics to stop talking about Kate, but for Jon he has to prove to you guys he has changed first. Don't you think that the children may see this site and read it? That is my first thought and the most important thing that should be on everyone's mind. I site that is called the Gosselin Family Fansite, should be just that, a place for the Gosselin family to go to read about how great their family is, not to hear their dad get lashed at. I have been offended at some of the comments I have read here, I can only imaging what the children would feel. And did you know if you google the word Gosselin, this is the 6th website that pulls up.....this would make it very easy for the children to find and read negative things about their father. So, why is the name Gosselin Family? Maybe it should be Kate Plus 8 or Kate and her children or something. BUT, either way, negative comments about either parents should not be in the blogs or comments.

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  25. SG, It's good to have you back!!

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  26. Great forecast here and even a tiny bit cooler! Somebody is alerting the paps. I just can't buy that Kate G is calling them. As for whom, I'm hoping it isn't Jon even indirectly.

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  27. Jamie there are way worse sites than this. You are making a snap judgement on a site that has been up for two years.....how many posts have you actually read?

    Tashapork I agree. I think she just wants some one who accepts her. Don't we all?

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  28. I forgot to say momsby I agree...whether they we directly introduced or not they know because of the paps when he's got a new chick.

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  29. I am not making a snap judgement. I have visited many sites and have viewed this one for a long time and ready MANY posts. My point is I have never been to a site called Gosselin Family that allows negativity towards a parent.I agree that all sites will have negativity but one that appears to be a family site, by the name, should exclude negativity to a parent. This is my opinion and my first time posting I sure hope I am allowed to express my opinion.

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  30. Heather..the green dress is cute. If you find out where it came from, let us know. I also really like the pink shoes, still not a fan of the gladiator style on anyone(jmo)

    I actually had a young girl ask my opinion in the shoe store. Did I like the black or brown ones..did not have the heart to tell her I just do not like that style. I picked the brown, they looked nice with her skin tone. Her mom & I shared a look, I don't think she liked them either. Perhaps I'm just getting old & have lost my fashion sense, like my own daughter seems to think:)
    I recently asked her if she wanted to check out the GAP & her response was "Ugh mom, that's where old ladies shop"...As, I always shopped there as a teen, she may be right!

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  31. Jamie, I've been posting here about 3 months and you're not entirely wrong. Had this been called "The Kate Gosselin Fan Site" I never would have stopped by in the first place. Most of the posters here are willing to give Jon a chance, they're just disappointed in his more recent behaviour. There are one or two in particular who I do find to be consistantly nasty towards Jon but Baby Mama allows that and it's her call. All in all I've been enjoying this blog and I hope you stick around and join us for a while.

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  32. Denise - Steve cannot stop the pap from filming them in public. IMO, he is doing what a bodyguard should do by leading them quickly thru the crowd while there is another bodyguard in the back making sure they all get thru safely. You implying Steve is cozy with the pap gave me a good laugh. It was the Huffington Post article that told the pap where the Gosselins were.

    Schmecky - It was not just a woman on the beach she was a reporter for the Huffington Post. Why do you believe what she said when she admits in her article that she lies? If Steve tried to block the filming it might lead to an altercation right in the middle of the kids. IMO, his choice to ignore the pap and move the family quickly was the right thing to do.

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  33. That's the whole point of this site is that everyone is allowed their opinion as long as they don't bash other posters for theirs. There are fans here of the entire family...some favor Jon....some favor Kate and some just like the kids. It's open discussion and the only reason things were listed about certain topics is because they have been discussed to death and it was becoming repetitive and other people who are new posters would stop reading or posting because it was starting to sound like all we ever talk about on here were Kate's boobs or how much time she spends with the kids or how much money. I agree that some feel strongly about Jon but there are some opinions about Kate too that allowed to be posted also. This site is about the family and the show.

    As always, only my opinion.

    Have a great weekend everyone. Off to rest and school shop. Not in that order. ;)

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  34. Gee whiz, glad you got a laugh but I think I am on to something. Steve was reflected in the window of the shoe store taking pictures. He knows the schedule. He never makes an effort to block Kate from being photographed.He didn't know Katy Hall was a journalist until later.

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  35. I really don't see this as a hostile Jon environment, even though it is pretty critical of his actions over the last 15 months because of their impact on the Gosselin family. I see a general tone of we care about Jon but he needs to ___ because of his kids. When somebody says for instance that he needs to lose weight it is not to bash him it is because of his health with his father dying young of heart disease and the person doesn't want his kids to lose him that way. At least that's where I see it coming from and where I come from when I speak about him. We may get really mad at him sometimes, but I don't think we'd get so angry if we didn't care about him in some way.
    I don't hear any people on this blog saying, for instance that Jon should be denied access to his kids, in fact I hear from many sources that Kate is wrong for having the transfer in the driveway for instance.
    I don't hear anybody with the idea that Jon alone caused the divorce,
    I don't hear anyone saying that he shouldn't have female relationship, comment is only in how they are handled with the kids.
    If Jon does something good as far as the kids go, most people are cheering him on.
    The other thing is that the vast majority of us are women and thus we relate to Kate more, we can see more of why she would do such and such, where sometimes, we don't really get the male point of view.
    I agree that the thought of the kids being on this site or most any other is scary but they've lived all of this stuff so it shouldn't come as a shock when they are we hoep much older.
    Jon has eroded a lot of trust and even I get a kind of cynical about him, but I always hope he can get over this hump in his life and be the great man that he has the potential to be.

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  36. Momsby, Crafty Mom, and Lori Anne - I totally agree with all of your responses above! Momsby - I feel the tween years are the hardest. CM03 - good luck shopping. Lori Anne - well said.

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  37. Denise - I got to go this morning on the first shoot since my surgery and I was overjoyed. As I was there sweating in this brace with its liner, a lightbulb went off in my brain. As I handed the permit to film on streets to the nearby officer, I thought "well duh you dummy to myself. To film where you might cause congestion, public streets, etc. you have to have a permit! Permits, as with anything issued by the government, are part and parcel of public information!!! Most are required to be requested at least 2 weeks in advance. When approved and the permit is issued, it becomes public information. If you go to the permitting office, they have to tell you what's been permitted. All Chris has to fo is check the office once a week. Well duh again on me!!

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  38. Sorry folks, I'm on the cell and can't do paragraphs.

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  39. Hi!
    Lori Anne-If this site had been called Kate plus 8 I would not have come here either. I do agree that most people give him a chance and for the most part the comments are nice. Over time that I have been reading the comments because of course I am not going to comment after one post, I have seen more negativity towards Jon than Kate. I am not sure if I will stick around. I feel people are not respecting my opinion or my question (with the exception of you) and that is not very inviting.

    Craftymomof3--I agree people can have an opinion, but you started off by telling me I was making a snap judgement. When that is not true at all. People are not allowed to discuss things to death about Kate, but they can about Jon until he proves himself....hmmm. I feel this site is all about Kate and the children. I can't remember the last time I read a positive blog about Jon. Maybe I haven't been here long enough....can you tell me which would be a good one? That doesn't call him a bad father or douchbag.

    Tashapork--Not sure who your comment is at b/c I didn't mention the word hostile. I don't think this site is hostile at all. I think Kate's actions over the last 15 months speak volume to who she is as a person. I have seen so much love and attention from Jon and all I see from him is wanting to be a good father. I am not talking about comments about weight. I am a womam and do not relate to Kate.

    Again, my point is I just don't understand the name of this Fan page. If this is trully a Gosselin Fan site than any person should come to this site and feel that Kate and Jon are liked or disliked equally by the owner of the site and the commenters. I don't feel this way and that is my point.

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  40. Good morning everyone! I see this is a very hostile Jon environment today! lol

    First off Jamie welcome. I do hope that you come and chat more. I know I seem to get pissed when I see people come here and ask about why this site is so negative towards Jon. I don't feel that's the case at all! So I'm sorry if this sounds pissy. But I have been blogging for over 2 1/2 years and ran 2 sucessful blogs. So the last thing I need to hear on a morning without cereal and kids screaming, is why my site isn't more pro-Jon.

    I would urge you to go on my old Jon & Kate fan site. http://theanti-gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com. There you will see 100% support for Jon, 2 years of defending his actions to no end. There I praised him as a wonderful husband and a father, and incredible supporter of his wife and all she wanted to do with her life. Even as thing spiraled under control I was still there waving my flags. But once it came out what he was doing, I changed my mind. And since it's my blog I felt every right to do so.

    The purpose of re-creating and untimately naming this 2nd blog "The Gosselin Family Fan Site" is in the hopes that untimately Jon will redeem himself. And even though this is no longer a married couple, they will ALWAYS be a family. And then we can go back to being 100% supportive on Jon and his actions.

    Until then, if people don't like it, they are free to explore many of the new Gosselin sites that have popped up on the web recently. I don't mean to offend, but this is where my views are at the moment. I hope more of my followers will come here and post their thoughts as well! :)

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  41. Hi Jamie, I don't want to speak for baby mama, but she did put forth that very question (should the site name change). We discussed it and she decided to keep it a Gosselin fan site because we still support Jon and we support the whole family.

    I can understand your frustration in that most posts appear pro Kate and the few comments that are made about Jon, appear to be negative. Baby Mama welcomes all views and if you see that this site is leaning towards one parent then we want you to comment.

    I think the challenge is that Kate and Jon show support for their children in different ways. Some of us relate more towards one parent than the other. That is why this is a discussion site. You will get people disagreeing with your posts, but you will also get people agreeing to your posts. Not all the people that agree necessarily make a comment.

    I encourage you to keep posting so that the balance is there and this continues to be a Gosseling Fan site.

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  42. Sorry Baby Mama, your post must have went up as I was typing my response. I must be a slow typer. LOL

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  43. Ok so speaking of good ol Jon, what was the deal with him giving the paps the finger? lol Was he trying to make it look like he's not getting paid by his BFF Chris so he tried to make it like they didn't know each other? Jon you are not making this easy for us. We are trying to make this a non-hostile Jon Gosselin enviornment!

    http://www.infdaily.com/2010/08/who-says-kate-gosselin-is-evil-2.html

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  44. Baby Mama,
    I thought I was very polite and respectful in asking my questions and stating my opinion. I feel as though my opinion really is not welcome here. "The last thing you need..." I thought I was allowed to voice my opinion just like everyone else. I guess not.

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  45. Jamie you were very polite and so was I. But seriously, you need to find another site if you are not happy here. Literally in the last 2 months they have popped up everywhere. Find the one that is best for you.

    But we are the best around and if thats not good enough, well then I'm sorry, I wish you well! YEEEEHHHHAA next..

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  46. Jamie - Uh, what exactly is it you want? I feel people have been respectful to you as both a new poster and someone who seems a tiny bit like you want to tell us we are wrong. Ok, you did that. We heard you and we welcomed you, asked you to stay and post, etc. You asked for examples, and Baby Mama gave them. You've said twice now you didn't feel your opinion was welcome. Many have said you are, including and most importantly, Baby Mama who is the decision maker. So I'm confused. Really and not being sarcastic. What exactly is it you want us to say or do?

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  47. Regarding the picture where you can see Steve's reflection in the window with a camera - clearly he's taking a photograph for the woman with the kids who is posing with Kate, she more than likely handed him her phone to take the pic. How else would she be sure to get a copy of the picture? She wouldn't know for sure that one of the paps photos would show up on the internet or anywhere else she could grab a copy of it.

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  48. Not sure if I will post or not....time will tell. Thanks Linda for welcoming me!!

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  49. Thanks for saying that, Sarahj! ITA

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  50. I didn't mean to sound snotty either but since so many people read my site they should see thats its the people that make the blog and not necessarily the actual content!

    At least that's the case here! I love everyone that posts! ok well everyone except "the one that shall not be named" lol.

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  51. Jamie I responded to the tone of your post. And no I can't find a blog that doesn't call him names. I think that proves a lot. But then again I don't look on a daily basis to see what's being said. I don't go to a lot of blogs or comment. I like a good debate. I am tired of people coming to this site and only posting when they want to bash it. Lori Ann didn't like Kate but came here with respectful questions and we thanked her and welcomed her. You started out posting about how this whole site offends you. Btw when I just took your lead and Google'd gosselins my first two sites were gwop and jodi's sister's site. Those IM are the sites that the kids shouldn't read.

    Back to shopping and thanks for the luck Linda! I might need it! That and a lottery ticket.

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  52. Was supposed to say IMO. Not IM. Phone changed it.

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  53. Linda & Sarahj...sorry I'm behind(as usual) what pics are we talking about?

    Linda, good call on the pap & the permits..I'm going to embrace that theory, as one of the many resources they may use to find out the schedules.

    I'm also going with the new theory that Jon's gesture towards to paps is a sign that he also has decided enough is enough. Perhaps the D/O was the turning point? I'd like to believe that the kids continued obvious dislike of the paps has become a consideration for both parents.

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  54. Thanks BabyMama!!! I do see where you are coming from

    CraftyMomof3, I like a good debate about Jon and and Kate. I am not a basher. I am more of a defender. If I post here, you will see me posting more about Jon than Kate. Some people were very respectful and told me I was respectful Please stop twisting my words. I didn't not say this whole site offends me. I said I was offended by some of the comments I read here, which I am. Big difference. I respect people's opinions very much.

    I had questions as a newbie that were answered and I am trying to decide if I would like to post here. I am here to talk about the family.

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  55. Momsby - in the shoe shopping trip there's a photo of Steve taking a pix. I saw photos in the Daily, a UK paper. ROL has link to some of same photos. The Daily story goes on to talk about at the end Kate was asked by a fan for a photo which she agreed to, and that Steve snapped the pix. Some other photos had a window reflection of Steve snapping a photo. If you don't read the words, OR, look at all the photos, not just one, you could get a distorted opinion. So, some people have taken the photo with window reflection to mean that Steve is the one making photos and/or telling the paps where Kate will be.

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  56. Then I look forward to your posts. I am sorry if you feel that I twisted your words but that was the gist I got from your entire post. Not just from that one sentence. Again I look forward to your posts if that's your position and Since you felt unwelcomed by me...welcome.

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  57. Sarah,
    I agree about Steve taking the pic for a fan.

    Linda,
    Good point about the permits! But that would only apply to when TLC is filming. It doesn't answer who tips off Chris the SuperPap as to when Kate is out and about on errands without the TLC crew.

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  58. I will go on the record as being frustrated with Jon so that any newbies will know. I was an ardent supporter of Jon, Kate, and the kids. I have hope for Jon but I am very frustrated that he seems to be "self destructing" IMO. He has a family history of alcoholism, his father died young of heart problems, so some probable hereditary problems. His being overweight, out of shape, the smoking, the club crawling till closing consuming alcohol, his disrespect for "authorities" such as signed contracts, the target shooting with small kids on the property, the clothes that have appeared as almost dirty and raggedy, concern me a lot. That just seems like a lot of warning signs for concern. The smoking and kids' concerns me. His rushing into relationships on the heels of failed longterm relationship concern me. The seeking "advice" in "all the wrong places" concerns me. I WANT him to be happy, find a soulmate, and live long enough to be around longterm for his kids.

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  59. Kate and kids went shopping this morning in Reading. Steve drove the van. Chris took the pictures.

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  60. SG - the other "candid" shots could come from a variety of sources. The twins make phone calls and I want to believe it is not Jon telling Chris. Kate makes so many of the very same visits - nails, Starbucks, Target, Organic foods, that hanging around those 4 alone would give you a 25% chance of photos every week. We do not know how often she goes places that are not captured in photos. What amazes me is that anybody wants to see photos of Target, Starbucks, etc anymore! Gee when school starts, there will be twice a day pap opportunity again.

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  61. On a lighter or darker note, depending on your perspective, if Chris the pap is spending day after day sleeping in his car to "get" the shot, after a hot summer, I really don't want to be near him. Who knows, lol, perhaps many of his photos that INF labels as Kate sneering, are in reality her nose flaring from the b o stench. (Yes this is sarcasm.) I hear his motor scooter or Vespa in many of the videos; gosh that must be uncomfortable to sleep on day after day.

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  62. So Mary and Cara are telling their dad where they and/or Kate are going so the paps show up? I don't believe that.

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  63. SG - I don't want to believe that either. As I said, the girls have cell hones, they talk. I said I don't want to believe that Jon would do that. I did not accuse Jon.

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  64. Denise - I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment as that was not my intent. I should have said I could not see Steve calling the pap since the pictures he takes do not flatter Kate and the articles with them are usually negative. Why would he contribute to the negative Kate stories?

    Jessica (I think that's her name) at INF stated Chris is very dedicated to his job and that she DOES NOT think Kate has him on speed dial.

    Maybe TLC is filming again today and Steve is driving them to the location. Steve is not only their bodyguard but their FAMILIES are close friends.

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  65. I do not believe Kate is calling them either. I do not believe Steve is calling them. I do not want to believe Jon is calling them.

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  66. Why? Because that's what sells and stirs interest in the show. Besides tLC portrays Kate in a negative light all the time on the show.

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  67. When have you seen Gina Neild? I think she is out of the picture. The teenage boys came to the house but no sign of Mom. Steve was quoted saying some pretty negative things about Kate in Vanity Fair.

    I don't know - I will spend time thinking about it. I don't believe Jon is calling.

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  68. Perhaps Chris the paps has a few "Nosy Nellies" that he flips a few bucks for Gosselin alerts? It would not even have to be employees of the stores they frequent. Just a few people who have a view of the different places they are known to stop at.

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  69. Yeah I'm with you momsby...I think it's nosy nellies too. Every ones got a phone now practically, it would be easy for them to alert the paps quickly.

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  70. Denise...Perhaps Mrs.Neild was freaked out by the drive by of her home..after it was reported she was looking after the kids while Kate was on DWTS? Maybe, she's ticked at the tacky insinuations about her husband & is laying low? How do we know she has not visited with her kids? Also, Steve is working most of the time he is with Kate, I do not accompany my husband to work. Why would she?

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  71. I'm going to give you an example. We do not tell people we are going to be gone unless we have a housesitter. The last school shopping trip we made, we got to a restaurant for dinner, ran into friends who commented "So how was the shopping trip?" I laughed and said so was that a lucky guess or do we look stressed? They responded, no Paul (our mutual mailman) told us. How on earth would he know and why would he care or say anything about it? A daughter had called a friend, a son had voice texted a friend, saying we can't go to your house because we're shopping and then dinner. The parent if one had called another friend to try to arrange a cookout. The callee said that they knew we couldn't make it because their child said we were school shopping. They left to pick up roasting corn, mail man asked if they were glad about school starting and their kids said "no, and we don't even have our supplies yet" but named families who had been. The mailman mentioned to another stop all the people who were catching the salestax free shopping day. My point was, kids call, people talk. We are nobodies. The Gosselins aren't. I imagine it's tough to keep anything quiet.

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  72. Well CMO3 there do seem to be more than a few NN in town:)

    O.k. so I'm totally avoiding cleaning my house today. I really should step away from the computer, it's raining & cold here. Perfect day to get ready for tommorows company.*sighs* this is just more fun than cleaning bathrooms.

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  73. And the Gosselins have to contend with blogging neighbors too. And nosy nellies.

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  74. Lol, Schmecky. Is TLC back to being evil?

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  75. Okay, we could start a conspiracy theory. Lol. Maybe the infamous pap put a tracking device on the van.

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  76. There was no filming for 6+ months. I did NOT see any decrease in the pap shots. Not as long as people camp out on ROL, INF Daily, Gossip Center Hollywood, NE, etc.

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  77. SG - I didn't ask you yet, are you also anti the new Jones quints program following the Kate+8? (Quints by Surprise)

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  78. Great example Linda! Even well meaning people could pass along info...

    Momsby I know the feeling. I have a million things to do but I am going to take advantage of hubby being home and try to sleep off this headache I've had for a week. It'll still be there tomorrow! LOL

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  79. Can I make you jealous CMo3 and momsby? All of my family is out this afternoon and I have a decadent afternoon alone. Just me and the snoring Scottie dog. No tvs, no music (except mine), no Wii, just tranquility. I'm recharging my batteries with just being me and not the mom.

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  80. Best of all, not a single squabble to resolve.

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  81. Fantastic! Savor it! Off to take my well deserved nap. ;) and yes I am jealous! LOL

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  82. Linda,
    I believe TLC is "evil" as long as they continue exploiting children and/or families in distress. But as for how they portray Kate on the show, they definitely like to show her bad side to keep people watching. Maybe some people would watch her being happy and the perfect mommy but others wouldn't. Some watch for the drama... for the comments she makes that put her in a bad light (such as the comments about wishing she could be in a one bedroom apt, etc).

    There was no filming for 6+ months but Jon and Kate were going through an ugly divorce and both Kate and Jon were doing media appearances during that time. If they quit the show and led "private" lives the paps would go away. It may take a few months but they will go away.

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  83. Linda,
    I won't be watching anything on TLC, especially with children on it.

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  84. Linda,
    From the sounds of things you have a pretty busy house most of the time...an afternoon alone is a well deserved treat for all of us moms:)
    Enjoy the nap CM3..I don't nap very well, always wake up feeling worse & then can't sleep the rest of the night. My husband the good guy he is, encourages me to at least try & relax!(Maybe when I get especially frazzled or cranky, it's his way of putting me in a timeout?) So, now I take that time to read a book.

    Phew..2BR's down 1 to go, suppers in the oven it just might look like I did something today after all:) Besides catch up on my blogging:)

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  85. Um SG..you do know LO was kidding about the tracker, right? If he paid people to call & gave them his #, they may have him on speed dial. I wonder if CTP is local, if so he's have even more resources. Look how easy it is for WG & Al Wentis to get the Gosselin gossip.

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  86. momsby,

    Um yes, I figured she was being facetious. But I also thought she was being facetious when she suggested they buy another van and drive them in two different directions. I was just covering all the bases.

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  87. We haven't seen Mrs.Neild around because she is not a celebrity or a reality celebrity.

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  88. Thanks SG for the article. I love how they try to make is a bad thing that Steve drove and then traded places with Kate to make it appear that Kate drove all the way there. Maybe, just maybe, Steve drove so Kate could organize her list and places to go and then they traded places so Kate could drive and Steve could navigate. I think it is such a laugh when people try to make something out of nothing.

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  89. fascinated..I agree! Also, maybe she's like me & would not be caught dead in a bathingsuite if I thought there would be pictures involved that would be released:)

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  90. SG - I WANT to believe Jon doesn't call the paps. I have been disillusioned so many times by his erratic behavior in the last year along with his contradictory statements in the last year that I do not know what to accept as truth by him. I want to have full respect for him again. I really do. I think he is going to have to start respecting himself and walk the walk not just talk the talk. Unlike you who has never had any respect for Kate, I respected both of them. We've been down this road before. I don't think there is any action Kate G could do that you would not find damning. As I've said before, you are entirely entitled to your opinion. I do not share it.

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  91. INF Daily has a phone number posted on their website to call for celebrity sitings. Reaching them to relay to Chris is as close as a phone call.

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  92. SG,
    I was under the impression that the two van scenerio, was just one of the many suggestions Linda was throwing out there...during the discussion. Could be wrong, it is always a good idea to cover your basis, rather than being misunderstood(lol) I hate it when that happens to my posts:)

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  93. Fascinated - not now, since I'm restricted to not driving, but before my hubby and I switched driving all the time. Eg, I detest city driving, he doesn't like interstates. Exceptions even then. If it's a city I'm familiar with I do it, or interstate where he knows it well such as Atlanta, it changes. Last year's back to school shoe shopping was a disaster from paps and bystanders alike. I'm glad that this year seemed smoother. And rhe driving, I navigate better, the mister reacts faster.

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  94. I'm sure Stride-Rite was delighted to close the store for the shopping. Look at the pap photos alone of their store name.

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  95. Linda,
    That's not true. I was a big Kate fan the first couple of seasons. I would defend her against my husband. He likes to remind me.

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  96. Linda,
    Do you know if Chris is local?

    Also, if the G's are his "job" of course he's going to have made contacts with local NN. That's what paps do, they love their anon-sources. Also, all he would have to do is follow the TLC crew, to end up where they are filming, when not locally. He knows the vehicles so he can just follow them. Did he show up in SC before the Huffington Post article or after?

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  97. I'd buy two vans, or even three, if it threw them off. Kate's going to be criticized regardless so what. If she did, I'm sure the criticism would be "Is she trying to be like the President's convoy with multiple vehicles?" Tori Spelling had a scare and potential injury from paps following. Princess Diana died; no longer a royal but still hounded. (And NO, I am NOT equating Kate with royalty.)

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  98. All these ideas are so complicated. She should just let the man drive his car into the gate, trade over to the van, and leave. She lived with him for 10 years, married him 2ce, had 8 children with him - if they can't make a simple trade off of kids, they BOTH have problems.

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  99. SG - Wasn't it just a few months ago maybe less, that I asked you if you had ever liked Kate, or was there anything she'd ever done right in your opinion. I even said I'd put it on my calendar as a red letter event.

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  100. Denise said...
    When have you seen Gina Neild? I think she is out of the picture. The teenage boys came to the house but no sign of Mom. Steve was quoted saying some pretty negative things about Kate in Vanity Fair.
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    Just to set the record straight. Gina Neild was in fact at the house with her husband Steve and their children. The paps just didn't get her in the photo nor did they mention her in the article. I suspect it was a media ply for drama as we all know how much certain people like to make something out of nothing. A few days later it was in fact corrected in another article on one of the sites but of course if the media had copied that article then there wouldn't be more speculation would there and the drama and questions would end. Remember for the media it's not necessarily about the facts but about pulling in the readers and the way to do that is creating drama even if they must lie.

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  101. I disagree Denise. I'd look for a different solution. Been down this road and discussed the PO/DO. Many here agree with you. Many here do not. I don't see either position changing. If there's a new or different perspective, I think it's worth rehashing. But if mine is the minority opinion, I'm sure we'll hear it.

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  102. Denise said if they can't make a simple trade off of kids, they BOTH have problems.

    I agree with you Denise, I think they both have issues with each other. I can empathize with Kate's issues a bit more than Jon's and understand why he wouldn't be allowed on the property. If my ex brought the in-laws that sent me out to dry onto my property without my consent, he would be lucky, if he was even allowed to walk again. LOL.

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  103. Sorry Denise and really this is not attacking you as you have a right to your opinion but we don't know what event triggered the situation as to why Jon must drop the children off at the gate and not inside. I for one will not judge her based on the little we know. All I know is that Kate must have a very good reason for it because she has been in my opinion far too tolerant of Jon's actions and words so whatever it was must have stepped over the bounds of acceptable. For that reason I will not judge Kate because there isn't enough facts to condemn her for her decision.

    The last exchange was fine and with the children kept in the van so the pap can't film or take pictures was the right solution for all. I saw Kate give a little wave to Jon but he looked angry and wouldn't acknowledge her in any way. Just my take on it but maybe Jon was angry because there wasn't an opportunity to make more drama out of it since the children couldn't be seen or heard and honestly I do think Jon sets up these photo ops and this one wasn't what he promised his pap Chris. I sometimes wonder lately if that is why the older twins don't want to go over to Jon's because just maybe Jon is trying to grill them for information on what, when and where they are going and the twins are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and manipulation so this is just a guess but maybe the older girls don't want to be a part of Jon's latest media attention maneuvers. Please don't get mad at me but it's just a gut feeling the older twins are smarter than Jon gives them credit for.

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  104. LOL Momsby, we probably didn't see Gina because she disappeared when the cameras came out. I think that is why some women hate Kate, they don't like their won bodies and feel threatened that she appears comfortable in hers.

    I also agree with YAW - the more spinning that can be done to the story, the more readers, and the more rumours and negativity.

    We only get 1/100 of the story and we make judgements based on our own perspectives. For example some say we never see Kate hugging her kids, then when we see her kissing her kids, people are wondering why she is showing affection.

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  105. With the stories of "Kate Never Smiles" one blog recently did a whole post rebutting that very idea. I'm on the cell so can't do a citation. It was on Ziggy's but was several posts back. I'm amazed at how often one photo is selected and used when the rest of a bunch of the photos show different things.

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  106. Perhaps the old newspaper "idea" of blood, guts, and mean is for the front page and anything nice goes on the inside sections.

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  107. You're said...
    I saw Kate give a little wave to Jon but he looked angry and wouldn't acknowledge her in any way. Just my take on it but maybe Jon was angry because there wasn't an opportunity to make more drama out of it since the children couldn't be seen or heard and honestly I do think Jon sets up these photo ops and this one wasn't what he promised his pap Chris. I sometimes wonder lately if that is why the older twins don't want to go over to Jon's because just maybe Jon is trying to grill them for information on what, when and where they are going and the twins are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and manipulation so this is just a guess but maybe the older girls don't want to be a part of Jon's latest media attention maneuvers.
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    That is a lot of negative speculation based on only the fact the twins didn't go with Jon a couple of times. One time pics show they were at the pediatrician's office. Maybe the other time they went bra shopping or were punished. There could be so many good non-negative reasons.

    By the way I wouldn't say I "respect" jon right now either.

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  108. Linda, the post I did was because BKIA said that Kate never held the kids hands. Then there was a pic of Kate holding one of the kids hands & BKIA claimed that was proof that Kate's people were reading her blog and adjusting Kate's behavior according to what she said on her blog.
    I showed Kate has been shown many times, all along, holding the kids hands, thereby debunking the claim Kate's 'people' were adjusting Kate's behavior according to BKIA.

    My impresssion of 'the wave' was not that she was waving at Jon, but the kids in the van. My immpression of the latest video of the exchange was that Jon was not a happy camper and that the video was done to show that the exchange can take place at the gates quickly and the kids protected during the change. i.e. proof there was no need for Jon to be allowed on the property to do the exchange for protection of the kdids.

    If you will notice, although INF is still posting pics of Kate, they aren't as critical of her in recent weeks.

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  109. SchmeckyGirl - I have a question. I'm not being snarky, I really want to know. Are you not going to watch K+8 at all, or just when it is the TLC original broadcast, and later watch on YouTube?

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  110. Hi, never posted here before and probably never will again, but I just have to say this to the people who obviously dislike Kate and in fact, everything about Kate why they come to this blog.

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  111. I'm sure some are wondering what I will post while Baby Mama is on vacation. Unless some G event happens in that brief time frame, I'm thinking maybe some of the recipes since I cook a lot, and it's a bit out if B Mama's comfort zone. I am a newbie at that part of it - "posting a thread" - so I'm open to suggestions. Can comment here or send me an email. I think most know my email. FYI, as the "babysitter" I do not plan drama posts as I don't see it as my place. I'm sure the head lady will add if she has time. I'm hoping though that her vacation is stressfree this year.

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  112. I dislike using pap pics, but do on occassion when it's necessary to make a point.

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  113. Sorry, my comment got cut off. I enjoy reading here when these people do not post but when I click on and see certain names I do not even want to read because it will be all Kate bashing and all benefit of the doubt for Jon. In my humble opinion, and yes I realize it is only my opinion,I cannot believe any mother could honestly think the kids would be better off with Jon, given his behavior over the last several months.

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  114. Welcome mimi an interesting question! Hope you keep posting:)

    Linda, should I look at old threads for your email? I don't have it, I'm sure that a woman an creative as you will be able to babysit for Baby Mama just fine. She would not have asked your to look after her third baby, if she did not have the utmost confidence in you:)

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  115. Ziggy - Whew! Thanks for coming in to post that! I appreciate it!

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  116. Welcome Mimi! We are glad you posted and hope you come back.

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  117. I'll post it again. lindabiography@gmail.com. Should it crash again, I'll post a new one. :)

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  118. It used to be on my follower link but disappeared when I changed the avatar. Operator malfunction on my part I'm sure.

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  119. Mimi - I completely agree with you. It baffles me as to why people make an effort to try to change the minds of others into hating Kate. I don't get it and I appreciate your comments.

    Linda O- I would love to discuss some of the recipes Kate or Jon have shown on the show.

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  120. Thanks Linda
    It was a recipe that brought me to this site & IW..before the name changes. Although, the site mentioned above was the first G site I found in my search...ICK

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  121. ZigglyFlo said...
    My immpression of the latest video of the exchange was that Jon was not a happy camper and that the video was done to show that the exchange can take place at the gates quickly and the kids protected during the change. i.e. proof there was no need for Jon to be allowed on the property to do the exchange for protection of the kdids.
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    So just who is it that you think set this video up for proof of that?

    Also, jon was picking the kids up not dropping them off so they wouldn't be expected to be screaming and crying for him anyway.

    Jon could have been upset the pap was there. That could also be why Kate didn't stick around so that their interaction with each other isn't filmed.

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  122. Linda,

    I did answer you that time about your calendar. I think you said you'd jot it down.

    I don't watch TLC and I haven't decided if I will watch it online or not but I did explain my reasoning on watching it online. I watched the last one a couple of weeks after it aired I think. Maybe a couple of days. I don't remember. After reading the fan and non-fans versions of the episodes I like to see it for myself. I didn't watch the one with the bubble pop-ups on the "more" episode. I did see the clip here though.

    Speaking of which did anyone notice the clip said the kids hadn't seen the crew for the entire six months they didn't film yet Kate told Billy Bush that the crew visited and babysat even when they couldn't film. Which one was it?

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  123. SG - I should have clarified. I did mark it on an actual calendar. It just happens to be on computer downstairs. Re: the watching I wanted to see if your position was the same. This is the episode of going to the Statue of Liberty and that's why I asked. For newbies the S of L was hotly discussed here months ago, before TLC gave hints they were going. Then the timing of going and the weather was debated. I can't look up the citations here. I also can't look up the reference you mentioned nor can I play it on this cell except on YouTube. That can't happen until downstairs tomorrow. I was going to cheat and do the stairs anyway but hubby told dog to "guard" before he left and my Scottie growled when I got near the stairs (I'm stuck and when they get home I know he'll tell me it's too late for today.) So, after church tomorrow I look at it section by section.

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  124. SG -
    not going to engage with you. I expressed my thoughts, opinions and my take. Take it or leave it, it matters not to me either way.

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  125. To all of the above, and Hi To Jamie,
    Yes , ever since the name change of this site, I have felt uncomfortable posting. When BM first changed it I was one of the people that spoke up about not having Jons' name on the Header. BM took in all advice and kept his name on because it is The Gosselin Family. Even though he is at the bottom of the Totem Pole, he can still work his way back to being a good father. MHO!

    To Be Con't.

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  126. Caregiver - I would suggest to you (and anyone else) that if I or anyone else offends you, use your scroll bar, and scroll past. For some of us (such as iPhone users) at present there are no scroll bars with the last upgrade, at least with this version. Nor can those of us with iPhones hit return in posts and not have it scrambled. Except for "those who shall be nameless" I don't auto delete anybody. That's about the only advice I can offer, scroll by, or use the response that Ziggy chose. I have the authority (temporary) to delete, but don't feel that's my call. But, after the zillion posts today, maybe the babysitter will be fired, and if so, I wouldn't take the firing by the head Mama personally.

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  127. Hey, Number 1 I'm rooting for him too! Sometimes, his actions just make it more difficult...

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  128. Wow. Just got an email. Jon got a job! It's a gig appearing at the Club Ultra Bar in DC on the 27th.

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  129. Sorry for those who might be offended but I'm wondering who Jon will take home from that bar appearance. It wouldn't be the first time. I wonder how much Jon is paying THEM to make an appearance. LOL

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  130. Yourawoman - I'm hoping he goes home with Ellen. He doesn't look so good in the promo photo they used. I wish they could have found one more flattering to him. But, wouldn't he, or as he says "his peeps" have supplied the photo? Weird about the photo.

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  131. I would hope so too but after this latest stunt, there is nothing I can see postive about Jon. As suspected some suspected Jon would pull some kind of attention getting stunt before Kate's appearance on the Emmy's but never in a million years would I have dreamed that he would pull a Michael Jackson stunt like the one he pulled today. Check out ROL's latest exchange for the kids between Jon and Kate and you'll understand. There is no way anyone on this planet could convince me that Kate would go for a stunt like this. It would be just like Jon to dream up this attention getting drama to get attention before Kate's appearance.

    For those that don't like ROL, Kate handed the kids over to Jon in the van like last time and Jon's personal pap/bodyguard Bob was there and when Jon got to his home the kids got out of the van with towels over their heads. What is he trying to do? Lose total visitation rights? Sorry if I sound pissed but this was far too obvious and Jon pulls crap like this everytime something good is going to happen or is happening to Kate.

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  132. First off, I would like to thank everyone tonight (kate & non-kate fans alike) for being kind and respectful towards everyone and especially my site. I am very busy right now and I am blessed to have Linda here and available to you all in my absence. Recently I got complaints from Kate fans asking me why I allow non-fans on the site..

    First off, I have almost 570 followers and most only read. If all 500 Kate fans commented, I obviously would have the room and tell others to go elsewhere. So HELLO KATE FANS! COMMENT ALREADY! lol

    Second, I happen to have some great people here, and I have friends for a long time that I'm not going to loose for one or two people that are not happy. My firends here have been respectful enough that they stay, as per me. They know the rules, and when the cross them they are simply deleted. No harm, and it doesn't mean I don't love you any less. Also, I think it's always heathy to have a good debate. And I swear that someday to have a REAL site that actually has REAL balanced debates. No fakers that CLAIM IT then they attack you as soon as the fangs show and you see the blog is fake and doesn't really allow fans.

    Anyway, thank you esp. Linda, Ziggy, Schmecky & Denise for keeping your sides, standing your ground but still being nice. I greatly appreciate. Denise I am aware that there is another nasty Denise and that is not you. If she comes on again we will figure out what to do. I know you are you.. ;)

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  133. As incredibly exhausted as I am YES ITS 2:30 AM.. I decided to do my fresh paper now before my eyes close. The fresh scent is of the laventer scented dryer sheets I am smelling to help me get to sleep. The sheets smell great. Nighty Night yall..

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