Kate Gosselin's brother Kevin Kreider and his wife Jodi told Pennsylvania lawmakers that the eight Gosselin children have been subject to unfair conditions during the production of the TLC show Jon & Kate Plus 8 in a hearing Wednesday, regarding the state's child labor laws, and how it pertains to reality TV shows. The Kreiders told the court that, among other concerns, Gosselin kids were stripped of their privacy, emotionally manipulated & had their safety compromised in the name of reality TV.
The kids, according to the Kreiders, were burdened with rooms overloaded with TV production equipment and as many as three crew members present for two to three days at a time. Their privacy was also compromised, the Kreiders said, as the kids were taped during their potty training (even without their parents present) for clips that were subsequently uploaded to the Internet.
In a statement released to RadarOnline.com, TLC responded to the testimony of the Kreiders by saying: "The welfare of and respect for anyone on our network is always paramount; and these allegations are either completely inaccurate or a distorted representation for maximum attention. In addition, we have and continue to comply with all regulations from the Department Of Labor.” When asked about the possible coincidence in timing between Jon’s custody lawsuit and Wednesday’s TLC hearing, Momjiam responded: “I’m not going to speculate but I do think there’s something rotten about the entire custody matter and I think it’s striking that it comes at a time when Kate is doing so well and providing for her kids.”
Jon, Kate & Every Last Gosselin Taking The Stand: E!Online.com
Just when you thought there were no Gosselins left to get dragged into the spotlight...
Pennsylvania state Rep. Thomas Murt wants to make sure the buck stops at the Plus 8 and, as a result, is dragging a slew of Kate Gosselin's relatives into court to ensure that no more kids are exploited by the big bad basic cable companies. At least not under his watch. His intent is to rack up as much testimony as possible about the impact being in movies and on television has on kids as part of an ongoing legislative hearing on state child labor laws—with which the Gosselins are all too familiar. It's unclear why Kate and Jon Gosselin won't be testifying, as theoretically they would have the most insight into the circumstance the politico is hoping to prevent, but keeping track of who's who in their ongoing game of good-parent, bad-parent is keeping them plenty busy for the moment.
Not that it's only going to be a Gosselinpalooza in the courthouse this week. Really, it was only a matter of time before defense attorney to the stars mistresses anyone in the vicinity of a camera got involved, and she's yet again managed to finagle herself into some column inches: That's right, Gloria Allred will also be taking the stand. But that's not all that's going on at the courts. Either through a stroke of genius or sheer dumb luck (our money's on the latter), Jon just might have found the perfect way to test his latest pet parental theory, thanks to a so-perfect-it-could-have-been-scripted coincidence with Dancing With the Stars.
A judge this week set a hearing date of May 25 for his latest tête-à-tête custody clash with Kate, the very same day as this season's finale of the reality hit. Delusions of grandeur aside, judging by her performance hit rate, Kate is unlikely to find herself competing in the finale, though she is expected, as all DWTS contestants are, to participate in it. So will she prove Jon wrong and choose prime time over courtroom face time? Sadly, we'll never know. Thanks to the time difference between a Pennsylvania courthouse and a Los Angeles soundstage and these newfangled things called direct flights, Gosselin can safely be in two places at (almost) the same time.
Back to scheming, Jon.
One of the panelists said filming in the bathroom was ILLEGAL, even with parental permission. They implied that the FBI could be called to investigate.
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Kate’s brother and sister-in-law slammed Jon & Kate Plus 8 in testimony before Pennsylvania lawmakers on Wednesday but they personally supervised one of the incidents they heavily criticized, RadarOnline.com is reporting exclusively.
Kevin and Jodi Kreider reeled off a list of allegations against the show, claiming that it harmed the Gosselin children. One of the examples Kevin cited was that the show filmed the children’s potty training without a parent present.
But RadarOnline.com has discovered that the potty training filming took place in the Kreider’s house and was supervised by Jodi! Kate had taken Collin to the doctor when those scenes were shot.
In Wednesday’s testimony, Kevin was vociferous in his criticism of TLC and Reality TV and used the potty training episode as a springboard for his outrage, saying: “These scenes were uploaded onto the Internet and burned onto the season’s DVD. The children’s potty training video remains to be highly viewed on the Internet.” But he apparently forgot it was filmed in his own house and supervised by his wife, who was known as Aunt Jodi before being booted from the show!
It’s a red-faced moment for the Kreiders, who have constantly criticized TLC and Kate – but only since they were dropped from Jon & Kate Plus 8.
During Season 3, in an episode called Potty Training The Boys, Aunt Jodi allows cameras to film as she opens the bathroom door and asks one of the boys, “is there actually pee pee in the potty?” In a voice over Jodi says, “It was the first time they brought potties for the boys.” She then rewards them with kandy korn for going potty!
In other episodes at Jon & Kate’s house the potty scenes are more detailed and show children sitting on the potty. But Jodi clearly allows the cameras in the bathroom, talks about potty training on TV and has no problem with it. Kate has admitted that she is estranged from her brother Kevin.
As usual, people are making too big of a deal regarding the potty training episode. And I will not post attacks by JW saying the kids are scarred for life because they had to shoot a Christmas scene early.
ReplyDeleteBoth episodes were so wonderful and helpful for me at a time when I was a mother going through similar issues on the show. To attack them on this site and practically suggesting they were porn can go right over to the trash that is GWOP. Carry on...
NO! ITS not heartbraking.. I did it myself one year when I was away from my family.. Don't be rediculous and start crap about saying they are scvarred for life for having Christmas on a different day!
ReplyDeleteThe fake Christmas help YOU so it's ok with you? Are you for real??
ReplyDeleteI do not agree at all. I would have done the same thing. It was a show about life and what they were going through at the time. Its N OT illegal nor is it porn like you are incinuating.
ReplyDeleteYes I'm very real and it helped my family greatly. I was a week before actually and you do what you have to do. It was one of the best Holidays we ever had.
ReplyDeleteWere your children then told that the Christmas they just celebrated wasn't real and that everything was just faked for the cameras and that Christmas wasn't really for a couple more days? That Santa really hadn't come yet except for the cameras?
ReplyDeleteAnd for the record, children at that age remember the wonderful day and the openining of their gifts. The don't attack you because it wasn't actually on Christmas. It doean't matter that its not on the exact day. Kids don't care. To say that it scarred the kids is laughable. I'm sorry that you may never know what it's like to have Chip & Dale open presents with you. Special memories you make with your kids is what they remember, not the day.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you suppose the representatives are going to say about the scene when one of the boys was constipated to the point that Jon had to physically remove the feces of his child and announce it to the audience while Kate couldn't be bothered because she had a decision to make about which beds to purchase? An intimate detail like that to follow that child for the rest of his life? Pathetic!
ReplyDeleteWho told them that exactly? How do you even know that is true? And for that matter how do you know what type of affect this would have on kids that age? My daughter knew in advance and didn't care. I just don't want you to think this petty stuff is life threating. That goes for potty training on TV IMO. You think what you like.
ReplyDeleteEach of the children was assigned a different "attitude" for the show. One was supposed to be the "bad" one, one the smart child, one the good child - then they captured moments that would fit that category of behavior!! Mady is going to be labeled a brat FOREVER because of what TLC and the Gosselin parents allowed! That is simply beyond my scope of comprehension!
ReplyDeleteThis is getting ridiculous. I hope she can stay strong and I hope she has other family and good friends to get her through all this crap!
ReplyDeleteKate, were here for you girl, stay positive and keep that chin up!! Were rootin for ya :)
So it's OK to lie to kids about Santa and the Easter bunny being real, but to celebrate on a different day is totally worthy of being crusified? JW, you are digging a hole. Parents need to decide what is best for THEIR OWN CHILDREN. It's not illegal to lie to your kids - if you choose to tell them that Santa is real - and it is not illegal to tell them Christmas day is one day when it is another. If you really care about abused kids why not actually find some who are being abused and help THEM. The Gosselin 8 are fine.
ReplyDeleteJW, who are you trying to convience? This is a FAN site. Which means the majority of people visiting are FANS so we don't think Kate and Jon were doing anything illegal or putting their kids at risk or damaging their kids. Go back to the hate sites. They will welcome you with open arms. Preesi, especially. She's right up your alley.
ReplyDeleteDidn't any of you watch the hearing? Did you not hear the same 3 1/2 hours of testimony about how damaging this show is the the kids? Sure, the show is great for Kate, but it is TRAGIC for the kids! Don't any of you understand this?
ReplyDeleteYou are supporting Kate, a grown woman, over these children who are not old enough to give consent to have their own childhoods sold?
Regarding the xmas, it wasn't about celebrating it on another day, it was that the kids came down the stairs and were told it was xmas and they were so excited. They wanted that footage for the show. Later they were told it wasn't xmas but that they only did it for the show. How it affected the children I don't know for sure.
ReplyDeleteJW, some of us do not believe their childhoods were sold. Some of us realize that as parents we make decisions for our young children that may or may not work out for the absolute best. You do what you can with what you're given. The fact that Kevin and Jodi are testifiying is laughable to me since they went along with it all until they got the boot. They didn't seem to think it was all so terrible when they were in the limelight. And, JW, do you have kids?
ReplyDeleteOh good grief JW those kids are fine and you know it. Trying to make something out of nothing! They like being on tv, you could tell. I don't even know why you come here, go spew your hate over at GWOP.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the potty training at Jodi and Kevin's house mentioned at ROL....
ReplyDeleteI just saw that footage the other day. They didn't show the two little boys on the potty. The bathroom door was closed and no cameras were allowed in the bathroom. Jodi opened the door after the boys were done and commended them for going potty. They each got one candy corn each time they went.
The scenes where they showed the kids naked on the potties and actually going potty were only filmed at their own home. You can't compare the two. One discussed the potty training, the other showed it. Huge difference.
And the only people who are going to label Mady a brat FOREVER are the people who hate her parents. Everyone else will realize that all kids are brats at some time or another. It's all part of childhood. People do grow up.
ReplyDeleteActually we don't know that "the children are fine". We don't know that they are fine now, and we don't know that they will be fine in the future. It's possible... but we don't know that.
ReplyDeleteI think it's great that there will be laws to protect children on reality tv. I hope it becomes a Federal law. The kids each got less than 2% of the income. I think they should get more, personally.
I don't care who it was that got it all in motion, whether it's Jodi and Kevin, or Allred or Joe Schmo. It's a good thing. There is no downside to it for anyone.
This is good old Jodi whose mortgage was in default until the interview money allowed them to pay off the 2nd mortgage. Source: PA land records and mortgage payoffs
ReplyDeleteJW-That orphanage comment is out of line even for you. I am glad that you feel vindicated by the proceedings today, but get a grip. I seriously wish that we could put a camera on you for a couple of days and see how well you stand up. I for one don't throw stones because I am not perfect. These are people that were thrown a curve ball that they knew was a possibility, but never imagined that it would happen. They did what they thought was best at the time to support their plethora of kids, and while it did give the kids opportunities, it did blow up their family. Why isn't that enough for you? You are basing all this stuff on one of the most untrustworthy people I have ever seen grace the tv. The Kreider's had no problem with any thing that was going on until they didn't get what they want. Every time I see Jodi talk I cringe at how much acting is going on. Maybe I could see your point if they had any one else but those people and Gloria leading their cause. I think the laws are a good thing. I think it needs to be done. I just hate the way it's being done.
ReplyDeleteAnd again. This is a fan site.
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So it's OK to lie to kids about Santa and the Easter bunny being real, but to celebrate on a different day is totally worthy of being crucified? JW, you are digging a hole. Parents need to decide what is best for THEIR OWN CHILDREN. It's not illegal to lie to your kids - if you choose to tell them that Santa is real - and it is not illegal to tell them Christmas day is one day when it is another. If you really care about abused kids why not actually find some who are being abused and help THEM. The Gosselin 8 are fine.
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I love that. Couldn't have said it better myself. I was upset that my Mom started the Easter bunny and Santa thing again with my youngest. There is just something about those whole traditions that never have sat right with me, even as a child. I feel if the incident(fake Christmas morning) was explained to the kids after it's fine. I had a hell of a lot worse happen to me as a kid.
This is the same Jodi who had potty scenes filled in her own home?
ReplyDeleteThis is the same Jodi who KNEW that Kate never allowed more than one piece of candy as a treat? Remember the episode where Aaden is at the table at Aunt Jodi's and the on/screen counter keeps noting piece after piece of candy being given? That was horrible knowing Kate allowed only 1?
This is the same Jodi who got the beloved hate blog GWOP started? And had interviews with Jodi posted at one time?
This is the same Jodi who gave the kids gum? What kind of idiot gives very young children gum? My pediatrician told me to never give gum to kids under age 4 because they don't know not to swallow it!!!
ReplyDeleteKidshealth.org says they should be FIVE and warns older children not to give gum to their younger siblings.
Same warning from Nemours Children's Clinic, Orlando, FL published studies way back in 1998 that young children having gum could result in very serious health problems for very young children. Further that very young children are unable to understand.
Not Jodi though. She knows better than everybody!!!
She was angry over Kate's abruptness over the gum and her embarrassment when the episode aired. She even said that hurt her when it was shown in her comments on GWOP. I'm sure the candy episode hurt also. These comments of hers were subsequently deleted. But guess what? I saved a copy! Also the web bots that crawl the net and archive websites also have a stored copy!!
Jon and Kate had given them gum.
ReplyDeleteJodi asked the kids if they were allowed gum and they lied.
This is the same Jodi who also had Julie note on the hate site that TLC had offered $$ to her and Kevin but Kate wouldn't allow it. Guess what? TLC issued a press release that they had never offered any kind of financial offer to the Kreiders. When that came out, Julie again pulled Jodi's comments. Guess what else? I saved a copy and the web bots also have an archived copy.
ReplyDeleteSource; google Internet archives. You'll find the links to Wayback Machine. It also will explain web bots and their purpose in archiving. I used it to check upgrades on our company website.
That hated on the web was started by, you guessed it: Jodi and her sister Julie.
What a piece of jealously and lies.
Regarding the gum, it didn't seem Kate was upset she gave them gum because they could choke on it. She actually never mentioned that even if it was a concern of hers. She was upset they got it on their socks and lovey and had to remove it from their clothes. Yes, it was dumb of Jodi to give them gum but they weren't given huge gum balls or those huge Hubba Bubba blocks of gum. They were little gum balls. Dumb, but not that huge a deal. The kids were allowed to chew gum when they were on planes, per Jon and Kate, so it's not like they weren't capable. I think Kate was upset she had to remove gum from the lovey and socks.
ReplyDeleteSo is the general consensus here that Jodi and Kevin lied today in the hearings? Is that the issue? Or is the issue just that it is Jodi and Kevin who seem to have spearheaded it?
ReplyDeleteI don't care who started it, laws are needed to protect ALL children in reality tv shows. It has to start somewhere. If it is good for all the children on tv who cares who started it?
Denise - yes the kids lied. J&k let the twins have occassional gum because they were older but NOT the tups.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I believe Jon and Kate did what they felt was best for their kids, I am glad someone is looking into to child labor laws. I read an article that said they have to get permitsfor the children and 15% of the money earned has to go into trust for each them, which will be availble to them when they turn 18. Also, no one was cited for not having eprmits, but they must do it for the new show or they will be cited. I noticed there was no violations for the number of hours worked, which was argued by some. Some said that they were "worked" riduculous anounts fo hours. As for the potty training, I think Jon and Kate did not see anything wrong with it, but I probably would have been better to not show them on them potty and their poop (GROSS). However, I do not think it will damage them. No one will remember by then.
ReplyDeleteI diagree with you Linda about the gum. Jon and KAte gave it to them too on airplanes. Jodi was just going by whatt he kids said. On a side note, every time I watch that episode I think where was Cara (It was Mady's speical day). Cara must have certanly known the little kids could not have gum. oh well.
Kayla, 15% of FUTURE income will be set aside for the kids of any FUTURE filming they may do. But the 15% will be divided 8 ways, meaning that each child will receive 1.87% of which medical and education bills can be subtractd. In my books, for the cost of their education, they will be in the hole by the time they are 18.
ReplyDeleteJW, I don't get why you are so invested in this. It's not because you care about the kids. You're the only one who has referred to Mady in any negative terms; so obviously you aren't in the kids corner.
ReplyDeleteJodi did not throw herself in front of the bus to save the kids. She used that situation to pay off her mortgage. How can anyone believe a word of what she says? I still go back to them not caring as long as they were on the show.
ReplyDelete1. They were older on the planes AND even them we have Kate having them spit it into the tissue.
ReplyDelete2. It was multiple pieces of gum. How many "itty bitty" gumballs equal
a big piece. And, you can choke even on a gumball.
3. Pediatrician's warning isn't even so much just about choking, it's also because they swallow it. Some pretty serious hazards and consequences.
4. Yes, what finally sent Kate to meltdown was the clothes. But that's what the edit showed We don't know what else was in the footage so I won't speculate there.
5. I was so furious when that aired that I even looked up child endangerment in PA because I seriously considered reporting Jodi. I wish I had now.
6. It is a big deal not an "old well just gumballs". It is ANY gum, chewing, gumballs, Bazooka or whatever.
Nemours Children's Clinic studies: one of the premier in the US.
childrenshealth.org and children chewing gum if you want to google the topic.
7, if you want to split hairs over every word Kate says, then expect the same for Jodi.
I want to correct what I wrote above... it seems that the kids will each get less than 2% of any money they haven't made yet from future filming. They may have received nothing from their past episodes. It seems no one knows anything about funds put aside for them as fact, just what their parents have alluded to.
ReplyDeleteJW, are you asking GWOP to take down the pic of Kate and Tony? I'm pretty sure they didn't give their permission. :) See, you are being ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteBM.. The labeling of the children was discussed in the hearing. Didn't you watch it? They were each assigned a personality to portray and then were filmed as that personality. They said there was the "bad child", the "smart child", the "good child", etc. It's part of the testimony. I didn't make it up out of thin air!
ReplyDeleteJust Wondering~ Welcome to the delete button. You crossed the line when you "claimed" the kids were given lables and they were forced to be on TV. How horrible that only people like yourself would accuse the family of putting the kids on TV as different types of personalities. These kids were just living their lives and there was a camera crew around. You need to go to another place where your opinions and thoughts will be welcomed. I tried I really did, and I'm sure those nasty trash sites won't even give me credit. But I don't agree with anything you say. And trust me, not everyone here has the same views. But you do not know how to say yours without attacking the fans that are here to SUPPORT Kate.
ReplyDeletePeace out girlfriend.
And I would like to clarify that I am aware that they said it and JW did not regarding the kids. But when she repeated it, it sounded like she agreed with that and I didn't approve of that.
ReplyDeleteMy daughters still don't chew gum. It has no nutritional value, has sugar or aspartame in it and it's a choking hazard.
ReplyDeleteIf giving 3-year-olds gum is criminal then Jodi is guilty and should be charged. If it's child endangerment then she should be brought on charges. I don't think it is.
Like I said, I don't think that's why Kate was upset. I think it was in that episode when they were interviewed that Kate said they give them gum. I can understand Kate was upset. I may have been too. But not THAT upset. Especially after Jodi watched 7 of my sick kids along with her own.
And why are we talking about gum again? I don't think it's relevant at this point.
By the way Linda, I'm glad you're still posting. I like your comments even if I don't agree with them.
ReplyDeleteThe trust is set up for FUTURE earnings. The trust wasn't in place until just a few weeks ago as part of the resolution with the labor board. 1.87% of income MINUS education and medical. The cost of their very private tuition alone will leave them in the hole by the time they are 18. Kate is making the kids pay for their own education!!
ReplyDeleteWhat is up with the creeple coming on a FAN site??
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ReplyDeleteI strongly support laws that protect children being filmed and protecting their income.
My issue I'd that Jodi lies. I do not trust what she says.
The trust funds that JW keeps referring to being just set up is true. That will be in addition to the individual savings accounts that were already set up for each child. (JW just got involved with Gosselin world in Jan 09 according to het post.) together met with a trust attorney who advised them about fiduciary matters. Then Kate, who managed the finances for the family, set up
the children's accounts. Kate saying "I set up the accounts" is technically correct, and does not mean Jon had no interest in having accounts set up. Jon said on the show "I don't cook I reheat" and "I'm at work so Kate handles the money."
It is accurate to say that Jon does not have access to those accounts.
Again, my problem is with Jodi's lack of veracity. I hope TLC and the production company both file suit against the Kreiders. TLC was gentle when they issued a very terse press release long ago stating they had made no financial offers to the Kreiders. Just like they were patient with Jon for a long time until his abuse of contract finally had to be dealt with. I am wishing TLC files suit with the Kreiders - not sure if it's libel or defamation - I know one is with malace aforethought.
Please disregard any of the idiots that think they are going to attack anoyne on this site. No one is going to bully me back onto moderation. Consider the dust swept!
ReplyDeleteI have a great short preview up of Kate talking to Joy Behar. Please watch it. Its good and Kate basically tells Jodi and Kevin they are psycho. Of course those are my words. And I accept the fact that I use poor word choices! ;)
I only read a the first handful of comments, but I'd like to point out that MANY people have to work on Christmas day (like the crew very well could've, if it wasn't "faked" which I don't think it was.) Doctors, nurses, nursing home staff (like my mother- spent MANY Christmas' at work!), police officers...generally people who have to deal with other people. Such a film crew for a hit tv show. Why WOULDN'T TLC ask them to work on Christmas??? I'm sure they are compensated well for working on the holiday.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, regarding the Joy Behar interview, the Kreiders did visit the children this summer and Kate did not answer the question asked of her. She deflected AGAIN.
ReplyDeleteJW, how do you know the savings accounts WERE'NT set up? You so badly wish ill on Kate that you want the children to turn against their parents? People who constantly look for the flaws in others usually have the exact same flaws in themselves. Help is available.
ReplyDeleteThat is why irrevocable trusts are available. So that parents can't take the money. It happens ALL the time. I don't know that Kate has or hasn't set up any accounts, do you? Or do you just take Kate's word for it? And when did she actually admit this as fact?
ReplyDeleteSchmecky - I like your comments too even if I don't agree with them.
ReplyDeleteThe gum issue was an example of not using good judgment.
Again, I support national laws for protecting all children and income from television and movie appearances.
So is the general consensus here that Jodi and Kevin lied today in the hearings? Is that the issue? Or is the issue just that it is Jodi and Kevin who seem to have spearheaded it?
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I can't figure out whether or not Jodi and Kevin lied because I can't figure out what they said. JW post things as fact and I don't know if they are her opinions or what Jodi and Kevin said.
I will say that overall I am not impressed with Jodi/Kevin at all. I thought it was despicable to go on ROL and spread rumors about Kate having an affair without any proof at all. If you are going to make accusations like that publicly be able to back them up. I have looked at the mortgage pay off records on line so I do believe the Kreiders have made money off selling stories to tabloids - another thing that does not make me think highly of them.
My questions from the hearing:
Who testified that the kids had no trust fund until 3 weeks ago and how do they know what accounts the Gosselins do or don't have?
Why did the Dept of Labor decide to take no action against TLC or the GOsselins if things were as bad as Jodi/Kevin made it out to be?
WHo testified that Mady is known as the "bad" one at school and how do they know? Jodi and Kevin's kids do not go to the same school as the Gosselin kids.
JW - WTH. Taking stuff from other postings that was originally on GWOP is the same thing. Guess that's just your perspective. A bit like using the Fbomb on a site and then having somebody lift your cursing there and pasting it here.
ReplyDeleteAnd if preesi is your guru, oh my goodness. No wonder you're whipped in a frenzy.
Kevin is an idiot that doesn't know anything. Just because he spoke about whatever crap he spoke, it obviously shouldn't be made to be truth, or that it should be posted here. Or that you should believe it for that matter.
ReplyDeleteNo, because he's attacking his own sister, and hurting his family. He's also crying foul when everything was fine and dandy back in the day until he wasnt happy with the $1,500 he WAS PAID when he was on the show those short times. YES ITS A FACT THEY WERE PAID. Even though it wasn't a lot of money. He also paid off his mortgage with appearance fees after attacking his sister. Thats a fact.
ReplyDeleteThey were paid nothing today and they were asked to attend. You have your opinions and I have mine. Jodi & Kevin were going by what Jon told them at the time. Jon told them that Kate came to them and told them "I'm done" the exact same phrase she used with Tony last week, by the way.
ReplyDeleteIf your sister and brother in law were filming more and more episodes and were being sucked into the vacuum of a huge television network, wouldn't you try to put the brakes on it? They tried to talk to J&K but they wouldn't listen. J&K wanted to take this as far as they could regardless of the risks to the kids. Kevin and Jodi felt there was no choice but to interven and ROL was the only place willing to listen to them at the time, I think. Nobody paid any attention to them until the story broke.
JW, how exactly did it helped the GOsselin kids for Jodi and Kevin to accuse Kate of having an affair on ROL? THey had no evidence - just said "Jon thinks ...."
ReplyDeleteJW - Good heavens - even Jon's attorney acknowledged that savings accounts had been set up - and this was before the divorce. Now they will have trust accounts also.
ReplyDeleteOh and another question. If the Department of Labor never went into the Gosselin home, why do we assume they looked at very bank account Jon and Kate? From what I just heard, we know that TLC did not set up a separate account for the kids until this past November. But there was nothing said about what accounts the parents might have established on their own.
ReplyDeleteThey werent paid TODAY! And there were no risks to the kids filming ever. I won't even go back and forth with that.
ReplyDeleteAlso, regaing JW comment about the Kreiders visiting the kis this Summer. That was not AUTHORIZED by Kate. Jon apparently snuck them in and Radar got shots of it. She did NOT allow that. And she did not deflect and questions while talking to Joy. For all we know she may not have even known they came. She doesnt often frequent the internet. Completely WRONG AND DISGUSTING, that the Kreiders would slither in like that when they know Kate wanted nothing to do with them.
Well I am sick of even reading all your he said/ she said, so I am going to side with Schmecky Girl. Who cares who got the ball rolling, and its too bad that the Gosselin Case is going to be the example. Law makers need a case to set reasons why laws and rules should be adjusted.
ReplyDeleteAll children on TV shows can benefit from new laws. OMG, go watch Toddlers and Tierras! In my opinion those girls are too young to be dressed and shown off like that. There's plenty of time for make up and stuff when they are older.
I am sick of this. SG, you can take over tonight. GOOD LUCK!
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It was stated in the Arbitration of Asset that Kate took $100,000.00 out of the JKIG Acc. because Jon took money. She started 8 Savings Acct.for the kids. Whether they still exist or not, nobody knows but her.
The psychologist, Dr. Rebecca Gullan's testimony was superb. Her credentials are stellar and were certainly evident in the testimony that she delivered. She began by giving a brief synopsis of her curriculum vitae, that she has a Masters and PhD in Clinical Psychology, worked at Children's Hospital in Philadelphia. Currently she is a Professor at a college-didn't get the name. She gave an overview of the stages of development in childhood. She divided these into 3 groups. Infancy & toddler (weeks old to 3 y/o) (early school age 4-11) (adolescence12-18). She testiified to the maturation targets for each group that are necessary to meet for the child to be a well adjusted and self directed individual. She also did a compare and contrast of Federal law and PA law on these issues. She was a very effective witness and had an extensive knowledge base on the potential detrimental effects of reality tv on normal chilhood growth and development. Her testimony was very detailed and the State Representatives indicated that they will definitely be following up with her while their investigation continues and also in the process of drafting/updating PA law.
ReplyDelete"One very vivid example comes to mind," Kevin Kreider told the hearing panel. "The children were told it was Christmas morning. It was so that the camera crew could get the genuine reaction of the children. It wasn't until after, later that they were told it was not Christmas morning, they just did it for the show. Can you imagine how confused eight little kids were that morning?"
Present8 - No I object to gum
ReplyDeletebecause it is a health hazard for small children, a fact well documented by pediatrician's and I cited the sources earlier. There's choking dangers as well as constipation problems as well as the sugar.
Just like you don't feed children under age 3 hotdogs because it is a choking hazard. There are a host of dangers for small
children. Your pediatrician warns you about these.
Times change and need to listen to the doctors. My mom but children to sleep tummy down. Now you put babies to sleep tummy up to reduce the danger of SIDs and choking.
We didn't know gum was really hazardous until the Nemours studies were published first in 1998. We didn't know pesticides could leach into vegetables until fairly recently - it was thought that it would keep of bugs and allow farmers to produce more. Just sn example of listening, and learning.
I think the key words are "potential detremental effects". Meaning J&K did not knowingly and willingly submit their kids to anything that they thought would be harmful to them. JW acts as if this was all a plot for J&K to see how much damage they could do to their kids. The creeple like to take every thing and blow it out of proportion, looking for any and every reason to declare Kate evil. It's not working. The more you smear, the more people will defend her. You have no factual evidence to support your arguements. It's all speculation. She's not a war criminal. She's a mother trying to raise her kids and provide for them in the best way SHE knows how.
ReplyDeleteSchmecky - by the way, I got two emails and a tweet saying that if I let JW make me leave a fan site I loved, then she won. So I put on a different mindset. No way am I going to let her win.
ReplyDeleteLet me correct an earlier statement. Sometimes, albeit limited, I DO agree with you. I listen to your posts and I appreciate that you cite sources. You did, after all convince me to return my tickets to the circus. And those were free tickets. PTBarnum&Bailey gave free lifetime tickets to us as parents if multiple sets of multiples. I retained my children's passes; they'll have to make that decision on their own as adults. I did return the tickets I bought for hubby's family and other relatives. I got glares from everybody and angry words but I hung tough.
Just why did it have to be one if the few freebies we got?!!
I'm already over it. I'm mad I ever wasted my time and should have just deleted. But I wanted to be the ONLY Gosselin site on the web to attempt to have a decent conversation with a bonefied hater. Ohh well I tried.
ReplyDeleteJust watched BOTH Entertainment Tonight & Access Hollywood. Kate was hosting both. Which was odd. I liked the Access Hollywood interview better. Billy Bush kept it light & fun. Mary Heart got a more somber Kate, but that was only because the Niecy Nash interview before it on The Insider was literally almost the same queswtions, but Niecy asked them better.
I could only imagine that Kate was sick of hearing the same questions. Which is why I really loved AC. It was almost funny.
My pediatrician says the most dangerous things for young kids are balloons, popcorn and peanut butter on a spoon.
ReplyDeleteGotta just say that ALL of Kates interviews were classy and well spoken...good for her!
ReplyDeleteCauseI'mthemommy, that's ridiculous. And this conversation has been had already! On Oprah there was an FBI agent who hunted down pediphiles and he said how easy it was to get child porn. They aren't looking for the scantily clad when they can easily get the real thing. Stop taking something normal like potty training and turning it into something sordid. And if that's where your sick mind goes when you see kids being potty trained there's an island off of Seattle that houses people like you!
ReplyDeleteLinda - It was awhile back that you posted that you were an avid reader. Evan that your family said you should get a job in a book store. I liked that, and I don't read as much as I should, nor do I buy books. I haven't bought one of Kates books yet. I just wanted to say that today I remembered the last book I bought was White Noise by Don DeLillo. That is what this blog reminded me about today. So you keep commenting along with SG, and BM, and maybe I'll catch up at a later date. cu
ReplyDeleteJohnny Cade - Very well said!
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To whomever said it, nope there is no proof the money is still in the savings accounts. Don't know about PA but in NC because I used money and set up savings accounts, I have to provide an annual statement to the courts.
As soon as I got paid more, I set up trusts because it was more advantageous and secure. A savings account is only federally insured for a finite amount.
So now the kids have savings and trusts, as do the Gosselins.
And my ex never had to contribute another dime to the savings accounts.
I am completely at a loss for words.
ReplyDeleteNormally I enjoy coming to this site. Not tonight. Besides the normal posters there is a level of nastiness that is going on that I can't stomach. I understand what Baby Mama is trying to do, but apparently these people aren't getting it.
If this is even a taste of what goes on and what you have to deal with Baby Mama I am sorry.
There are decent ways to get your point across and express our differences in opinion, you people are ridiculous. This is so sad. Adults don't behave this way. You want us to listen? Grow up. All you are doing is proving my point. If this is the type of thinking and behavior behind this so called "intervention" on the kids behalf...I think they are better off with Kate deciding their fate for them.
I seriously can not believe the ugliness that I am reading.
I'm sorry that Jackie Cougan and Paul
ReplyDeletePeterson got robbed along with others.
Any and all laws need to be federal not state for filming minors.
I thought it was interesting that TLC wasn't invited to the hearing. Figure 8 productions wasn't invited to the hearing. The production crew wasn't invited to the hearing. I want to hear both sides. I thought that was the purpose of a hearing - to hear all sides. Or, in the interest of publicity you just call people of one perspective.
If the Pa Dept of labor found any evidence of long hours of child filming alledged by the Kreiders, wouldn't they have excluded any future filming? It wouldn't make sense to allow it if it were true, would it?
Craftymom, I have remained totally calm but I think everyone should watch the hearing. A very well accredited psychologist testified to some important facts about children in entertainment. I heard a lot of information that I had not been aware of. I listened the whole 3 and a half hours and am very troubled.
ReplyDeleteThis place is getting as sad and depressing as GWOP. I have a headache from reading the comments today.
ReplyDeleteSorry Adele. I'm in the process of deleting them. I will start to moderate again if this keeps up.
ReplyDeleteDenise I did watch some of it and what I said was not directed at you. I am very open in hearing other sides and hearing information. I agree with some points that are being made, but not the way they are saying it. You are not one of them.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the Duggars and Roloffs will be subject to similar hearings. As for Toddlers and Tiaras, those pageants go on whether they are televised or not - TLC may be doing something good televising them if it discourages some parents from getting involved in pageants. I would be all for outlawing beauty pageants for kids under 14.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I have watched most of the hearings. The only testimony that I was impressed with was the psychologists. Gloria Alred's moral self righteousness leaves me cold - her typical clients are women who have affairs with married men. Jodi and Kevin continued to seem vindictive and Pederson comes across as a very bitter man.
Causei’mthemommy says…
ReplyDelete“pedophiles to watch over and over? You know, since your so OK with it and all. Put your money where your big mouth is!!!!!!! I bet you won't. That type of stuff, no matter how you want to defend it, is a sickos dream.”
I feel the overwhelming need to respond to this comment. Seriously…no lie, every time I read comments referencing pedophiles it makes me believe that person IS a pedophile. I mean, how would they know what a pedophile would want unless they were indeed a pedophile? I remember reading a comment on GWOP (because from time to time I go over there to see what the crazies are up to) and someone said Mady was like flashing her private parts to the camera in tight pants and I quote they said “is a pedophiles dream.” I will never forget how sick and twisted that commenter was. What the heck people? What is wrong with you? I think you all watch WAY to much TV and are afraid of what lurks around every corner. My mom has naked pictures of me on the toilet and she shows them to ALL my friends and boyfriends. Do I care she shows my friends? Nope, because I was freaking two years old, now that I’m an adult it doesn’t bother me. I’ve seen home movies of almost all my friends when they were kids and naked in the bath/ or potty training (parents love to share). My good guy friend is running around naked in one exclaiming, “I have a big wiener!” It’s just hilarious now, no one is embarrassed for him and he is not embarrassed. Back on topic, as I remember, the potty training episodes the kids were dressed and you couldn’t see anything inappropriate. So they are sitting on a kids potty… So what? Causei’mthemommy you are the sick and twisted kinds of people who turn it into something more.
In regards to psychology, it is not a science nor can it be tested as one. I don’t plan on debating the mechanics of psychology, but it has no concrete answers. NO ONE and I do mean no one can say for certain what the Gosselin children will be like in the future. I have taken many many psychology courses and each professor reasserts that it is not an exact science, and no one knows for sure what people will turn into, we can only offer theories based on prior examples (so estimates).
And Just Wonder you did not take my advice! Too bad, I should say it stronger next time. Go back to school, you should do something productive. BTW you have no legit evidence of anything it seems. You need to quote primary documents in order for any of your evidence to be taken as true. And I mean primary documents as in it should come from Jon, Kate, the kids, or TLC. You secondary sources are vile and worthless garbage. You are all about hearsay and I just can’t stand your lack of evidence AND it keeps showing me how much of a stalker you are! I don’t get if, you hate this family so much why in the world would you stalk their bank accounts and Deanna Hummel’s brother? You actually are a malicious person, what I don’t understand is why. How do you even have time to research this family so much? Please consider going into something productive. Thank you, and au revoir mon ami!
Baby Mama, I just want to thank you so much for this sight. Really, it helps me pass the time during my historiography class (which is dreadfully boring). I have been reading for a long time, and I refuse to let the naysayers distort it. You are doing a great job!
I need to do my sociology homework now but hopefully I can check back later tonight!
-Mignonne
P.S. If I was Kate I would be afraid of these crazy people who hate her. They are insane. I think they need therapy. LOLZ
I'm sorry too BM. My comment was no reflection upon you. I have been visiting here for over a year and this was always a pleasant haven of sanity.
ReplyDeleteThe air feels very light and fresh right now. Let this be a lesson. Give them an inch, they try to take a mile.....
ReplyDeleteHere is what I see. While valid points are made what the bottom line is, is that they are using Kate as a ways to show fault rather than trying to fix the issue. And frankly I never thought there was one. Parents of children on TV should be wise enough and smart enough to handle the $$ being brought in while being filmed. We are all aware that sometimes thats not always the case. But its none of anyones business if Jon & Kate saved for their kids. Today felt like a witch hunt to attack this family. They mae this show out to be this horrible thing. And in actuality at the time it was a wonerful show for moms and that people used to LOVE.
Of all times to do this, how perfect that its while Kate is doing so wonderful on her own. I felt like her reputation was trying to be tarnished, and I won't let that happen.. Haters & fans alike: Thank you to the 18,457 hits that I recieved on this site in the last 24 hours...
BM, I havent posted here or read in awhile due to all hatred that I have seen here before, but did today due to all that is going on. Please dont feed into thier hatred, dont do that to yourself. Believe me I know you can handle your own but dont do it to yourself. We can try to defend all day long and they wont change thier mind. The more we love and support Kate the more we win not them. Kate is doing great with all she is doing and I know she wouldnt want her FANS to read or give in to thier BS. I always think what would Kate do and I know this is not it as we've seen her do today, shes still smiling and shes doing what she needs to do no matter what anyone says. Sorry just wanted you to know (no pun intended)
ReplyDeleteKatherineDenise~ So happy to see you again! It's always nice to see names of people I haven't seen in a while. It's a difficult situation for me. I try to give everyone a forum to speak their mind, but I can't get over how a few trolls changed their names and came over here! That took alot for them to do, I give them credit. I know how people here really like the open comments and I'm not going to let a few bullies ruin my site. I think it's over now..
ReplyDeleteTotally unrelated, but man American Idol is bad this year. I really miss Paula. This was the reason I got DVR last year. Please let me know if Big Mike ever gets voted off again, he seems to be the only one I like. It makes it easier for me to be dedicated to DWTS.
FYI: I just put up a great interview with Kate & Tony after the show. But I put it on the previous post since I already have too many videos on this one. Definely go back and watch it if you get a chance!
Big Mike was in the bottom two but he is safe.
ReplyDeleteI am a retired social worker who is now working part time at Notre Dame, you twit. Now go study.
ReplyDeleteWOW, I must say I never saw that one coming...but I find it deeply disturbing.
JW, LOL but you aren't doing anything productive when you get online and bash this family... What does your behavior accomplish?
ReplyDeleteJW,
ReplyDeleteBtw I am very dubious in what you claim to have done.
ANYWAYS
I started Kate's new book! I'm about 90 pages in. It's really good, and I enjoy the letters to the kids.
I am all for legislatures having hearings and debates on public issues such as this, my problem is that the Gosselins seem to be singled out and picked on by people who already have an adgenda when they should not be the only ones at issue. I really think there are better examples of inappropriate use of children on reality tv such as wife swap. I also think the Gosselins have gone above and beyond to protect their children. Examples are that when they moved to the new house they stopped filming in the bedrooms and Kate declined to film Mady getting braces.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with Linda about Kate,Jon, or anybody related to tlc or figure 8 being involved in the hearings. Nobody even discussed all of the positives on the experience. Hearings are supposed to be for both sides. It would be like in the custody hearing having the judge hear arguments from jon's lawyer and not give Kate's a chance to speak. Maybe they had two Christmas celebrations that year like a lot of families do and it was prior to the time that most of them could understand dates anyway. The important thing was that they had fun as a family.
Tashapork,
ReplyDeleteI too contemplated the idea of two Christmases, one for filming and one for their own pleasure. I wonder if Kate said that the day they filmed wasn't Christmas, but they would be having another Christmas later. What kid wouldn't love that? I know that I wished for Christmas everyday when I was young!
Yes JW, i remember watching that episode and didn't think anything of it. Parents should make a big deal out of successes during potty training. Now, maybe the pictures of poop in the potty is stretching it a bit but its not porn.
ReplyDeleteI think putting all these clips on the internet will be the big questions for the lawmakers in the future. We can't solve any problems here.
Baby Mama,
ReplyDeleteI do not see my comment posted, nor do I see an answer to my (or the previous poster's) question regarding if you would allow film of your own child using a potty aired on TV. I hope that you did not ignore my question because you believe that I'm a "hater." I'm not a hater. The reason that I posed the the question was to open-up an intelligent conversation regarding this issue starting with your thoughts as you are the moderator of this blog. Regards, Lance's Mommy
1. I agree 100% with the Christmas/Santa Claus/Easter Bunny - any of those things are big lies to some people and other people think it is essential to childhood. Being Jewish, I think the whole thing is strange, but people probably think matzah is weird too ;)
ReplyDeleteAs Joy Behar would say, "Who cares?" Christmas is whatever and whenever you want it to be if you want to do it as long as you don't dictate how other people do it or force everyone to celebrate it like you do or celebrate it at all.
2. GUM - I don't have kids yet, but I have worked as a teacher and child caregiver for so much of my life that I would be SO pissed if someone gave my kids gum. Especially at 3!!! People have mentioned the clothes and choking but what about HAIR? Have you ever had gum in your hair? That is the first thing I though of with those girls with their long hair and those boys. I had two brothers and I definitely got gum in my hair that I had to cut out and cut all my hair off, probably multiple times in my childhood.
It is funny because when I first started watching JK8 I absolutely fell in love with Kate because I though she kept her kids in line like an experienced and wise preschool teacher. I aspire to be like her in the discipline and sticking to rules and procedures when I have my own children. And one rule will definitely be NO GUM.
And if some baby-sitter, or my in law, or someone else gave them gum (or something else evil, Like McDonalds), I would get madder than Kate did! So there.
ok that is my rant for this evening....
Setting aside the fact that there is no Santa for just a moment, Jesus wasn't even born in December, so people could have Christmas on July 9th and it would be just as accurate as December 25th. Seriously, if the worst thing that ever happens to you is the fact that you celebrated a holiday where you got hundreds of dollars worth of presents for doing nothing but existing on the "wrong" day, I think you're sitting pretty. I highly, highly doubt the kids know/care. Kevin is a moron.
ReplyDeleteAs for the "expert testimony" provided, I don't think any psychiatrist worth their salt would testify to the mental state of an individual without actually examining them first. Even the most casual viewer of Law and Order would know that!
Haters are sad and pathetic people. Especially ones that post on fan sites. Why not just let it go? Don't you have anything better to do than hate? Nothing any hater has posted here indicates for one second that they actually care for the kids, just that they hate Kate and disagree with her choices. That's just too bad for them. The kids are hers and she has the right to raise them as she will. She has the right to get as much help as she can. Every mother I know would take any and all help offered. It takes a village to raise a child. In France, they have state legislated help for moms for crying out loud! This image Americans have of a "Stepford" mom sacrificing everything for her child isn't realistic or healthy- for the mom or the kids!
I'm so proud of Kate this week! She's working hard under incredibly difficult circumstances. Does anyone know yet what next week's dance is?
foxtrot
ReplyDeletemriss812~ Honestly I thought the point was to attack my stance on my feeling about the kids being filmed. I will answer your question by saying if I was Kate, things would be exactly as they were, nor would anything have been done differently. I bonded with many nice women at the time on blogs regarding how great she handled potty training 8 kids, while I couldn't handle my one. Regadless of her strong personality, I continue to praise how she raised her children. I continue to support her positive decision to show ALL of the reality at that time of raising her sextuplets. The good and the bad..I praise and support the show and take it for what it was at the time.. Which was groundbreaking reality TV.
ReplyDeleteAnd before I get snarky, did I answer your question?
My mom took potty & bath pics. I take potty & bath pics and scrapbook them. Go on fb and see all the parents who have bare bum or bath pics of their kids...I'll even give you ahead start Not An Alpha Mom site has some pictures of babies in the bath. Is Anne Geddes exploiting babies with her beautiful pics. She makes $ and so do the parents. To make that into something shameful or sick says alot more about the poster than the parents.
ReplyDeletemomsby~ thank you so much! You took the words right out of my mouth...And thank you for reminding me how much my kids get a kick out of seeing the pretty pages I did of their bath tub photos! ;)
ReplyDeleteNext week's dance is fox trot. Tony tweeted last night.
ReplyDeleteOn a lighter note, what does everyone think of the dress Kate wore on E! and Joy Behar? :) Also, does anyone know where the blue dress she wore on ET is from? I love the neckline!
PA dropped the ball on the investigation, whether you believe an investigation was warranted or not. They didn't even visit the home/set. They levied no fines even though they agreed that violations occured over the life of the show. The Dept of Labor didn't release the "resolution" of the investigation and has not notified the Complainants of the results as yet -even though the results were finalized in early March. . .Education and medical bills can be subtracted from the kids' trusts. (Is this normal?) Source: Murta Hearing
ReplyDeleteThe potty clip: Who in their right mind would ever find it appropriate to allow this to be filmed in the first place? And now it's on YouTube?! Shocked me, I have to say.
The kids are beyond adorable. I am a fan of the kids.
My pleasure Baby Mama ;)
ReplyDeleteBy the way, both E! News and ET claim to have more with Kate Thursday just like Today Show ran part 2 of Tuesday's interview on Wednesday.
ReplyDeletecherier1~ Thank you so much for your comment, but unfortunately I can't keep it up because of the link for reasons I hope you understand. Good to see you though! Everyone has different opinions about the potty episode. Everyone has the right to their views.
ReplyDeleteHeatherAV~I used to love the sweet lady that used to blog about the clothing and items on Kate and the kids. It was even sadder that she was so harassed that she decided not to continue with her blog. I loved Kate's outfits as well, and if I could find out who the designer was I will let you know!
Ok. I didn't realize no links. NP!
ReplyDeleteI think Kate shops Ann Taylor loft a lot - is that what you mean? Very cute clothes there!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know where transcripts of the complete hearing might be obtained? I would like to know what the child psych said exactly - if she in fact tried to dx the kids or was speaking abt developmental stages in general.
ReplyDeleteJust Wondering, You absolutly scare me. You are breeding hatred and thats dangerous. Who are you really, JODI?,JODI"S SISTER ?,Jon ?.
ReplyDeleteYou are someone really close to the situation or you are stalking and I for one think you should be reported to the police. baby Mama let the police know about this person....Its really dangerous
If you go to Rep Thomas Murt's site and click on video, you can watch the hearing. I know of no "allowed" site that has the transcript.
ReplyDeleteBaby Mama,
ReplyDeleteWow, I had no idea that my question would irk you so much… Maybe I am not being clear enough - I did not ask the question to illicit snarkiness, nor did I want to know your opinion of Kate’s decision(s) regarding what to film/air regarding her children, or her potty-training skills. Also, I would not “attack” anyone on this or any other blog regarding their views. I truly wanted to know if you would have allowed film of your child using a potty to air on TV – not if it was “right” for Kate to.
Obviously, this is a too touchy of subject for a dialog. For what it’s worth, I would not allow footage of my child using a using a potty aired on TV. However, I believe it would have been okay for J&K to have answered general (no specific child)questions regarding potty training in the interview-style couch scenes.
mriss812. I will answer you about the potty. If it was done with appropriate discretion and blurring, yes, I would be open to having my child potty training on tv in the context of a reality show. It would totally depend on the context and if they didn't want to film I would never force them to. Toilet training is a happy occasion for many families and people's reactions are what causes embarrassment. I think it is sad that in this day and age that it has to be such an issue.
ReplyDeleteOn a happier note, I just ordered the first new book I have gotten that wasn't in the dollar store, since college. I am excited to read it.
Denise - thank you, but my volume won't work (@$^&^% computer), so I was hoping for a transcript and didn't see one on Murta's site. LMK if you see one, ok? TX
ReplyDeletecherier~ I have no problems with news article links, but I can't do links that go to other peoples personal blogs without permission. Kates favorite store is Ann Taylor, but I can't seem to find out about the two outfits she has been seen in. If anyone knows about that blue dress please let me know!
ReplyDeleteFYI: Please get the word out to anyone near Santa Monica.. Kate will be at her first signing for her new book this Friday! A sweet woman from Barnes & Noble contacted me, and I am just now able to get the word out.. So sorry!
ReplyDeleteTashapork,
ReplyDeleteI LOL’d at your "new book" comment. I am about to graduate in a few weeks (at the age of 45!) with a B.A. in History - starting Grad. School this summer - so I can totally relate! I long for the days when I could buy decent make-up and the occasional new outfit.
Regarding potty training; I also do not think there is anything wrong with it. For goodness sake, it’s a natural progression of life that all humans learn to control when and where they go “potty.” However, the age of a child in potty-training would preclude that child from objecting to cameras filming them using a potty because they would be too young to understand what “filming” meant, i.e. that millions of people were going to be seeing what the camera was recording.
Again, thanks for the laugh!
mriss812~ I understand exactly what your saying and i'm sorry for accusing you for being part of the hate gang. Your thoughts and feelings on this are very valid, and it's easy for me to get wrapped up in the whole haters vs. Fans category. There are many people that feel different than me, and I'm glad you came to add to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteOMG it's killing me to remember the name if the two rival gangs from West Side Story. I was way too you young for that movie but it's my moms favorite! I wanted to say that thanks to certain people my site felt like that today...
ReplyDeleteBaby Mama,
ReplyDeleteNo hard feelings here. Life is way too short and difficult for so many... I try (very, very hard sometimes!) not to "hate" anyone. I am also only a "fan" of a select few people namely my husband, family and friends :-)
Jet and Sharks - Okay I am really going to bed now...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20100415_Pa__says__Jon___Kate__kids_need_work_permits__trust_funds.html
ReplyDeleteThis is an accurate synopsis of the hearing.
Seems like a reasonable article on the hearings. As I suspected, the haters have twisted it to suggest that the finding was the Gosselins has not put any money away for the kids. Rather all this indicates is that TLC did not pay the kids directly.
ReplyDeleteI am glad that there will be legislation in PA regulating the hours the kids can work and how they will need to be compensated. That is fair and reasonable.
I wrote to Murt supporting the legislation but suggested caution in associating with the Krieders. I made sure he had the link to the ROL atory where they are making allegations against Kate Gosselin and suggested he investigate if the Krieders made money off of gossiping about the Gosselins. I just pointed out it was shame that Kevin so hypocritcally mentioned the damge the Internet might be doing to the kids without his admitting to be feeding the Internet frenzy.
Jets & sharks! Thank you! What I want to clarify is this..that WAY to much is being made about that wonderful & harmless episode and that people are intentionally making a bigger deL out if it than it should have been. You are now implying that there were pedophile camera men enjoying watching the kids gling to the bathroom. Jon & Kaye are wonderful parents, and became close with the crew. There was no problems at the rime and this is being blown up to attack the family for their own causes. Hopefully this will quietly fade away while not taking any of Kates shine right now.
ReplyDeleteJW...please go to GWOP site! I don't want to have to leave another site because of closed minded and uneducated people such as yourself. I realize that we ALL have our own opinions that gives us individuality. However, your opinions need to be give elsewhere because this is a Gosselin FAN site. I honestly believe that you are addicted to the arguing more than anything. I am akin you nicely to pleaser move on and allow us to praise Kate without having to read your pessimistic comments.
ReplyDeleteWhere is Jon?
ReplyDeleteTo anyone contemplating leaving this site because of closed minded individuals posting:
ReplyDeleteDon't give in. Don't feed their 'hate'. If you leave, they win.
BabyMama created a great space for fans. Just learn to deal with it. We won't change their minds, so try to avoid arguing points with them.
I know I need a lot more evidence than presented for me to change my mind about kate, jon or the kids. And I know people who have dealt with kate and have heard horror stories. But I personally try to put myself in other people's shoes and see where they might be coming from or why they might be handling a situation a certain way. And I can be a bitch too and not always on purpose, depends what is going on at the time and my stress level. I'm not perfect. No one is.
So chill people.
Hello everyone! I just put up a new post after spending my entire lunch hour fixing the kinks. Please join me on some fresh paper!
ReplyDeleteI also included the entire Joy Behar Interview that was removed from this LONG thread..lol
All the pottygate talk is starting to really sicken me. So I'm going to discuss gumgate today ;)When I saw AJ give the kids gum, I think I muttered "oh no". I think Kates reaction was a great example of how real the show was. Did I cringe at some of the things she said, YES. Did I think some of what she said would hurt AJ's feelings? YES, Did I TOTALLY understand her frustration? You bet I did!! Please tell me, Kate & I are not the only mom's in the world who have ever said things we regret out of frustration?? If you've ever stepped on a block with bare-feet, you'll know where I'm coming from. I've threatened to throw away toy's, blocks the most. I've also put toys in a garbage bag after day's of having my tidy up request's ignored.(I had an ECE professor in College give me that tip) I returned earned toy's one by one over a 2 week period. The toy room was tidy for a few weeks...come to think of it I should try it again. I think Kates only crime was that she reacted honestly & editing may have her look even *itcher. I'm sure glad I do not have camera's in my house SHEESH there seems to be alot of perfect arm-chair parent's in Gosselin Blog Land.
ReplyDeleteI find it hard to believe that 8 little kids were 'upset' that they got to have TWO Christmases?!?!
ReplyDeleteMy kids would've been flipping for joy!!
The first video how perfectic is tht Its kate kids is up to her and what about all the other kids tht are on the telly abdout potty training and the fake xmas morning such lies i ddont beliveve in tht at all once again jodi and kevin are in it 4 the money!
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