Please note, this post will be revised after tonight's shows ...Kate Gosselin, Today Show 10/5: Gather.com
The latest twist on Jon and Kate's ongoing conflicts. On the Today Show this morning Kate Gosselin spoke with Meredith about the recent event, that Jon took out $230,000 of their joint bank account. Kate claims she will be unable to pay bills and provide for her children. TLC has postponed "Kate Plus 8" while the divorce proceedings are in the process. Jon is demanding the show be canceled for good, that it is not good for their children. Whereas Kate tells Meredith that her children were "wailing" this weekend when they found out filming was being postponed; they have developed and love and affection for the crew, and an enjoyment of the places and trips they get to go and take.
Jon went on 'Larry King Live' saying he wants to become friends with Kate and be able to reconcile and his kids off the show, "I don't think it is healthy for them. We are going through a divorce right now and I don't think they should be televised." Ok, so why is Jon prolonging the divorce? Kate rebuts by saying she has tried to reach out to him many many times but has not been able to get into contact. She claims she is looking out for her children's best interests and securing the future of their children. Kate made it her duty to set up secure accounts for her children, enabling them to be set for the future; that way whatever happens between the pair her children will not be financially effected.
As the self-proclaimed "money manager" Kate says she once removed money from the account because Jon had taken a large amount of money out before she removed money from the account. She took $100,000 out in case Jon took the money, she would be able to buy food for her children. However, the arbitrator said she had to put it back, and she did. She is afraid that Jon will take all the money and spend it on frivolous things, leaving Kate unable to pay for the roof over their children's heads.
These allegations could be a final straw that breaks the camels back, things are just going to get uglier and uglier. It is a shame that they have to do it so publicly. They pair is speaking through media outlets in order to communicate with one another. I hope someone is really looking out for the children; making sure they feel safe and loved no matter what happens with their parents.
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Ok, I have had enough. Its time to go, move on. Jon is doing THE INSIDER?
ReplyDeleteThis has go to stop!!
OMG! So much to comment on!
ReplyDeleteOne thing I don't understand is that now the children can't go to the Statue of Liberty because it's not being filmed?!?! I'm pretty sure they allow people without cameras on Liberty Island.
Of course the children are going to want to continue being filmed if they are told that's the only way they will go anywhere and do anything fun.
Baby Mama, on the other thread you asked about the View. I saw it. I'm glad she was on, but Lisa Ling was very rude to her, expressing her opinion in a less than kind way. "... there's other ways to support your kids, c'mon!" And I really like Lisa Ling and the work she's done in the past. I was very disappointed by Lisa Ling today. She was also very rude about the David Letterman issue, saying in so many words that he was funny but not attractive. In the end, they kind of had to cut Kate off after Lisa's comment, probably time constraints. But Kate pretty much said what she said on the Today show earlier in the day.
ReplyDeleteI don't see Jon's recent withdrawl of over 200K the equivalent of Kate withdrawing 100K in the spring. She said it was as a result of the weekend before she filed for divorce. I believed a long time ago that she filed for the divorce because he went on a Manhattan spending spree that weekend and I still believe that's the case.
ReplyDeleteShe took money out to protect it. He has taken alot more money out to do God knows what? More Gucci shoes, another car, another west coast condo??????
I hope I'm not blindly supporting Kate, but she sounds level headed and credible every single time we see her. Jon just contradicts himself and sounds and acts more like a sleazy, mentally unstable person with each passing day.
I can see how the children are seeing this as a loss, whether or not they were wailing and crying, who knows? But so much familiarity has been taken away from them lately, that was a big part of their daily routine. To me the sad thing about the show is that the original reason we loved watching it has been overshadowed by this very public battle. I do see it ending now, and as somebody else mentioned, I'll continue to support Kate in her future ventures, she deserves it.
I’ve been holding off commenting about Jon taking the money until it was confirmed as truth and not just another rumor. (I also was waiting to see if Baby Mama was going to put up a new post for it.) I was also waiting to see if Jon and/or his attorney made a statement about it.
ReplyDeleteI’m not taking sides on this one. I just think that there are two sides to every story and both should be discussed.
First it made it seem like Jon went on LKL and right afterwards ran and took out over $200,000 from the bank. Then, Kate's law firm made the claim, according to Heller's statement, that Jon "withdrew the money in secret." Heller argues that all withdrawals are accounted for on the bank statements for which Kate has sole access.
It was done over a couple of months. Why wasn’t anyone monitoring that account? For over two months? Every day I know exactly how much is in my bank accounts. I move funds around all the time. I know what my balances are at any given moment. How can Kate not notice $230,000 is missing from her account?
In the middle of such a divorce each is so concerned that the other is going to take or use funds why weren’t preventatives put in place?
Jon’s lawyer’s reply was according to Jon's "recollection" since receiving monetary compensation from TLC for the past four and half years, "he has not withdrawn any money for his own remuneration with the exception of the past several months wherein he believes he only withdrew approximately $175,000 which is less than ten percent of the gross revenues paid the Gosselins…"
For the first time, Kate also confirmed that earlier this year, she had taken $100,000 out of the account to prevent her husband from taking it.
“I removed it to keep it safe,” she told Vieira. “I had taken $100,000 and put it aside safely so I could buy my kids food if needed.” ($100,000 worth of food??? I guess organic food really is expensive.)
But, she added, she put the money back because the couple’s separation agreement forbids either of them from taking out money without the authorization of the other. Was it forbidden before or after she took it?
So when had the forethought to take money and put it aside so Jon can’t access it it was okay. When Jon does it, it’s wrong. These two are both unbelievable. All the he said, she said. All the he took, she took. Enough already.
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Ok, I have not commented in awhile, because I can not hold my tongue about that worthless piece of trash, "Jon".
ReplyDeleteScmeckyGirl, not one time in Kate's interview did she say, they can not go anywhere because they were not being filmed. She did say however that, "The children enjoy the crew and the interaction and the places they have been able to go and things they have done." How do you get that she told them they could not do that anymore because they were not filming? That is no better than the trolls putting words in peoples mouths. I am sure you have seen on the show, how the kids play with the crew. You know you are part of the reason why I quit posting here.
Now, as for Jon, he is nothing but a want to be piece of crap. He is a thief and has no regard at all for his children. You give me one example in the past 4 months, were he has put his kids best interest at heart. NEVER!!!!!!!! I hope the state of Penn throws the book at him today. I hope they put his ass in jail after the court hearing this morning. Don't you think it is funny that the last major withdrawal was taken out Tuesday the 29th? The same day TLC announced their plans. They are not going to find that money, he can't pay it back. He is to busy trying to be cool. Bye Bye Jon, I finally hope this is the last nail in your coffin.
Jon’s attorney claims Jon has no access to the bank accounts so maybe he didn’t know that’s all the available money they have. Jon’s attorney claims she won’t give him the access information to four separate accounts.
ReplyDeleteIf Jon did indeed take every penny they both had and spent it then that is definitely wrong. Did he spend it all? Did he put it aside for safe keeping too because he doesn’t know what she’s doing with all the money they made? What about the other four accounts? Maybe he doesn’t know what’s in them and whether or not Kate can draw funds from them without his knowledge.
Why is Kate making it seem like they are penniless now? She can’t put food on the table? Are the cabinets are empty? Jon left her and the children to starve. Sounds so outrageous to me. I understand there are bills to be paid, but to make it sound like the children will starve just sounds like a bit unrealstic to me.
And what about the $350,000 that Kate took out without explanation? Even if it was for the down payment of the house, etc why isn’t she explaining it to him like he asked? It’s his money too. Jon saw Kate “spent” $350,000 without explanation and supposedly she won’t provide explanation. Now Jon “took” $230,000 and she wants an explanation as well as the money back. Honestly, I’m so sick of both of them now.
And then to put all this out there so that it’s public knowledge? What happened to Kate taking the high road and not commenting about it on television. Let the lawyers handle it! When she called into The View today, first she said Let me first say I don’t want to have to go on tv and say this. Then don’t! Let the lawyers make the necessary statements. Jon too. Enough already.
Do either of them care that they are putting their most private moments on national television? It’s one thing for Jon to go up against TLC in the media, but they both need to stop going up against each other in the media.
Is it interesting? Yes. Do I want to know all the nitty gritty in their divorce? Sure. It’s interesting. It’s intriguing. I’ll listen to and read all of it. But should THEY want it all out there? No. I have no idea why they would.
Kate said she doesn’t have to answer to anyone but her children. Then who is she answering to when she gives interviews? I’d rather she be honest and say I want the truth (or her version of it) out there for everyone to know or I want my side of the story out there for everyone to know. Just be honest.
So all this is going on today and neither one of them are home with their children? Whose turn is it anyway?
One thing I found really odd was Kate just finished saying her income to support her family just stopped. She just finished saying Jon stole all the money she has to pay the bills and feed their children. Then she ends it with I'm buying a ring with 8 diamonds and mother of pearl to replace my wedding ring. (Very cute idea by the way!)
ReplyDeleteThat comment just made me feel that she can't really be that worried about her financial state. I was expecting her to say she'd have to sell them to feed her children or something. ???
What I find ridulous is that Jon thinks he can just pay himself for the last 4 years all of a sudden, I mean I thought he said it was for the children?? I am glad Kate lawyered up because with Jons new lawyer she will need it because he is out for only himself. And it sounds now that the 2 lawyers have some bad blood or history, yikes.
ReplyDeleteKate's interview on The Todays Show made me cry, I mean she must be going absolutly crazy. This has got to be the hardest yet. Money is the root of all evil and with an evil ex like Jon its double as hard. This is not Jon's money, this is to provide for his children. Kates right, hes has crossed WAY over the line.
Schmeckygirl, Your last post about Liberty Island is just plain ignorant. Are you serious??
SchmeckyGirl, we disagree (as usual but that's okay.)
ReplyDeleteThey are down to $1,000 in the money market account. I think Kate is responsible enough to not spend that money on a trip to the Statue of Liberty at this point. It's expensive to even do day trips with lots of kids.
I'm sure there may be investment accounts but the penalties (look Jon I can spell!) on converting those are substantial and it takes more than a day or two to do it.
Oh and I would like to add that Kate should go after Jon for the money the same way he went after her. That is something for the courts to decide. It was a stupid move on his part. I wonder if his lawyer advised him to do it or gave him the okay?
ReplyDeleteI can't blame Jon for listening to his lawyer though. You always take the advice of your attorney. You also let the attorney deal with the aftermath. No?
Feel better Baby Mama!
SchmeckyGirl said...
ReplyDeleteOMG! So much to comment on!
One thing I don't understand is that now the children can't go to the Statue of Liberty because it's not being filmed?!?! I'm pretty sure they allow people without cameras on Liberty Island.
Of course the children are going to want to continue being filmed if they are told that's the only way they will go anywhere and do anything fun.
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It may been perplexing why they can't just go to New York anyway. But it's worth thinking this: New York and the Statue of Liberty seems to be a new episode on the show. If the show was meant to showcase the children's newest visit, then going now and going yet again to do a filming later on would just seem fake, which is not what the show is about. It's important to them to show the true reactions of the children. If they went again too soon, there's no natural joyous reaction if it weren't the first visit, and to make the children "react" would just be unnatural.
Also, it seems that Kate is having problems paying for many things, even the bills (if what Kate says is true). I don't really know how much it costs for travelling from where they are (I'm not local; live all the way here in Asia), but I wonder if a trip to New York is paid by TLC and without doing the episode, she'd have to fork out the money herself if she brought them there. Plus, we don't really know what the current shared custody terms or timeline is. Perhaps she's not able to bring them on that trip, unless it is part of doing the show.
In any case, these are just possible reasons. But I do think there is a possibility there are many reasons that makes it difficult for the trip to go on.
Oh my goodness. They both need to STOP talking to the media and START talking to each other. They both look immature and ridiculous. Stopping the show would be a great start to helping the kids, but all of these stupid interviews and he-said she-said junk are just too much. I have kids around the age of the twins and I KNOW that if this were going on in the family of somone they know they'd be hearing about it. Kid's parents talk and the kid's hear it and then tell other kids. I really think both of them are so wrapped up in their own hurt feelings and public personas that they have completely forgotten about what this has to be doing to the kids (regardless of both of their constant spouting about how much they love the kids and how it's all for the kids) They both need to get off the talk show circuit and start spending time with the kids (without an audience)
ReplyDeleteAND NOW THE HE SAID:
ReplyDeleteJon Gosselin is trying his best to debunk his estranged wife's claims that he drained the family bank account, leaving them unable to pay the bills. The Insider released the following statement:
October 5, 2009 (Los Angeles, CA)-- Jon Gosselin is speaking exclusively to THE INSIDER on today's panel about his estranged wife Kate's claims that he withdrew $230,000 from their joint account without notifying her.
Gosselin tells THE INSIDER that Kate's claims are "a total fabrication. I withdrew $22,000 last Thursday. I have the paper trail to prove it."
He goes on to say, "I've never taken any money out because over ten years, Kate handled all the banking. Over the past four years of doing the show, we accrued $2,250,000. She says in the past week I took $230,000. I have withdrawn roughly $177,000 over the course of a year, which is less than 10% of what we made. That's like my paycheck."
On why Kate would make these claims, "I believe she's incriminating herself and not thinking clearly. She's wanting me to look bad."
Does he believe Kate is having problems paying her bills? "No. She's hiding money. We have 11 bank accounts. That was just our joint account. She had a best-selling book. Where's that million dollars?"
Gosselin insists, "I didn't want these things to come public. I didn't want this to be embarrassing for her."
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/jon-gosselin-kate-is-lyin_n_309854.html
I understand the above two comments, but I seem to look at it a different way. I think Jon is completely out of line. He did not have a problem filming before and to out of nowhere claim it is bad for the kids is insane! This is a single mom's source of income for her children. Yes here are perks (great places to visit and fun things to do) OH WELL! Don't we all wish we could have a job like this? To have the ability to be with your kids and raise them and still get paid. I DO! I feel that if Jon was really watching out for his kids he would have handled this in a different way. You don't disrupt your kids' lives anymore than it already is.
ReplyDeleteAs for the money I think that is very childish. You don't take money out of an account that is set up to pay bills and to feed the family. THAT IS WRONG! Just my opinion....
Airing your dirty laundry for the world to see is VERY damaging.
ReplyDeleteThose poor children.
I'd like to know what Kate did with the over $300,000.00 she withdrew a few months ago, which she hasn't explained. Maybe part of it went for her new ring? Sorry I'm going to sound like a hater but I just had to check my bank balance to make sure MY checks won't bounce. And I have the feeling she has another account with MORE than enough money to put "food on her table."
The way she talks, you'd think she was out of money or something. Have you seen her shoes lately? It doesn't look like she's missing any of her spa days. So she's got the funds, just trust me.
Before you jump all over me, I could care less if she visits the spa DAILY. More power to her. Just don't go on tv and cry about putting food on your table. I have NEVER felt so insulted. I am a fan of the show, and I've been divorced. I know it isn't easy. She is trying to make us feel sorry for her, but she doesn't need to be insincere.
I don't care if there was "wailing and sobbing times eight" or if they are "angry" they won't be filmed anymore. Get out your digicam and make your own memories Kate, or do the kids make all the decisions for themselves?
Sometimes parents do what is best for the kids. It may involve having to find another source of income. "Write" a book, you can do it.
Maybe they were wailing and crying out of sheer joy. If my naked little heinie were on tv, I'd be upset about it. LATER.
Baby Mama - hope you feel lots better!!! You've been through a lot lately with your baby being sick and now you and trying to run all this too. Thanks for all you do!
ReplyDeleteI really loved this interview with Kate. Obviously the content was not what I loved. She seemed so open and sincere and didn't seem like she was talking off a script but that she was just genuinly answering as the questions came. I really appreciated that because in previous interviews she seemed pretty closed off and like she knew before hand she was going to reveal as little as possible and that's exactly what she did. But in this interview she seemed so real. As far as Jon's promo thing, he is a bad actor and it really looked silly. I'm sorry but it just looked goofy to me, I mean if he wants to be taken seriously that is not the way to do it. I think Kate was right on target when she said he's getting bad counsel. I mean he is hanging out with twenty sum year olds and others who aren't living even remotely close to his own family dynamics. He needs to get close to other "family" men as well as his pastor and others who were family friends of theirs from the beginning, not the hollywood crowd. The whole family is in my prayers. Kate did really well though.
ReplyDeleteThey could go to the Statue of Liberty but then Kate would have to pay for the transportation and body guards... where when they are filming, TLC provides all that for them. Especially since Jon drained the account and Kate doesn't have enough money to pay the bills, a trip doesn't seem like an option at the time. Even though she has money saved for the kids, I know she does not want to touch that. I just feel horrible for the kids and Kate. All I have to say is Karma is a bitch...Jon will get what he deserves eventually. I just can't stomach him anymore.
ReplyDeleteSchmecky, I didn't understand that either. I don't know why Kate phrased it the way she did, something like, "not get to do things". If the kids are just playing in front of the cameras they should be able to continue w/ life as usual. Maybe the activities will not be free now, as they're not being filmed and there will be no advertising involved for whatever their activity is.
ReplyDeleteThank you Linda for clarifying about the need for the joint account. I figured myself that because the whole 'who gets what' stuff hasn't been sorted out yet, they couldn't split an account that was already joint until after the divorce and all its terms had been finalized. It is hard though to have to deal with money issues when both parties can't stand each other.
ReplyDeleteAs for the he said/she said regarding the money, I really don't care who said what as long as food is not taken out of the childrens' mouths! I don't care if every penny that Jon took was righfully his, he had NO business emptying the account like that. Those are HIS children too that are going to be screwed if Kate can't pay the bills. I think he is just really blinded by his need to get back at Kate for all the years he felt he never had a say.
I was also surprised to hear Kate say on the view today that Jon could very well be able to put an end to the show. I guess when they were together, they had an agreement with TLC that at any time if one of the parents felt that the show should stop, that wish would be honoured. I guess Jon (or rather his lawyer who is the brains behind Jon these days) is now using that agreement to screw Kate citing that the show is detrimental to the kids.
I just don't know how much worse it is going to get for these two. I am sure we will find out tonight though on the Insider.
Also, I don't think the kids were told that they couldn't go anywhere or have any fun only if they were being filmed. Kate also gave other reasons why the kids enjoyed being filmed.
ReplyDeleteI hope this mess that Jon got them into gets resolved very, very quickly.
I'm also wondering if Kate is giving more custody time to Jon for this month just to get him off her back. She said on "Today" that she sometimes does what she feels she needs to do in order to maintain some amount of peace. In other words, I wonder if she gives in to some of Jon's demands only because she's tired of fighting with him.
I have a question. Jon claims they didn't have a lawyer when signing the contract, which is huge to me.
ReplyDeleteSomeone here (don't remember who) wrote that Kate was represented by Media Motion, Int'l. That's not the same as a lawyer is it? It sounds more like a talent agency. Wouldn't you want a real lawyer to protect your interests? I think I would have wanted a lawyer to look over my contract with Media Motion too, not just TLC. Am I off on this one?
I'm cynical, but not so cynical to believe that the kids associate the only way to have fun is to be filmed. I suspect they miss the film people because they mean more people around. Kate and Ashley (or Ashley's friend) are only two people and they're women. The PA guys give the boys (and Alexis, I'm sure) someone to roughhouse with, and generally play with. Kids love attention from younger adults who aren't their parents. Without them, they're just stuck playing with each other- and no kid wants to play with only their siblings all day every day.
ReplyDeleteI am also getting to the point where I'm having difficulty believing either one of them. Obviously SOMEONE took the money out of the account. I seriously doubt that Kate took money out of their "bill-paying" joint account and then blamed it (very publicly) on Jon. But neither do I believe that Jon withdrew $230,000 out of this account over the past 5-7 days. He wasn't even in town, was he? And I would imagine the bank personnel, knowing who these two are and the situation they are currently in, would hand over that large of an amount of money without question.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe this is the only money (liquid funds?) they have. The letter from Heller mentions 4 bank accounts. This specific account was a money market account (per Kate's attorney) - money market accounts normally limit transactions to 6 per month. It's not usually intended to be a checking account (bill paying account).
If I truly did not have money for "the roof over my head" or I was worried I couldn't "feed my children" I don't think that I would announce to America that I'm looking at an 8 diamond & mother-of-pearl ring. I'd be selling one of those two no longer meaningful wedding rings for some needed cash!
However, Jon (through his attorney) does not seem to be disputing that he took SOME amount of money; just not $230,000 and not over the past week. I don't doubt that this will have to be settled in court. Regardless of the he said/she said media tour they both seem to be enjoying, they don't appear to be capable of speaking to each other. Each one claims the other won't engage in meaningful conversation - who to believe?
And by the way - who leaked this bank information to the press? It had to be Kate's side. It's certainly not something Jon would be bragging about in the "court of public opinion."
OMG! TMZ, Insider, and others are stating that Mark J Heller (Jon's attorney) isn't licensed to practice in PA. I hope that isn't true. Isn't it misrepresentation when an attorney says he'll represent you and he can't practice in your state?
ReplyDeleteIf he can't practice in PA, it will be interesting to see if the divorce judge will allow Heller to sit in on that conference call that was supposed to be taking place this afternoon. Kate's attorney (Momjian) supposedly asked that Heller not be allowed because Heller, not being able to practice in PA, would be unfamiliar with PA statues and guidelines. (Uh, folks, that's why you need to hire a local attorney.)
First of all, that Insider trailer was laughably fake. Secondly, I feel bad for Kate that she has no way to pay her bills. If Jon sincerely believes that the show is bad for his children, then that's fine. He and Kate both need to find other work, then, to provide for the kids. It sounds like Kate has another show in the works, but I haven't heard anything about Jon's efforts to support his children. It's irresponsible to take their money and remove their source of income without any backup plan.
ReplyDeleteAlso, when Kate told Meredith this morning, that the kids were "wailing & sobbing times 8" -???- What does that even mean? That they are more upset about the loss of filming time than they are about mommy and daddy don't love each other any more? This has gotten so far out of control. They BOTH need to stop talking to the media, and keep their communications private, whether that be between each other, between their attorneys, their therapists, whatever.
ReplyDeleteThey weren’t that bothered about the loss of their pets (per Kate), but they were inconsolable about the TLC crew & about their trip being cancelled to visit the Statue of Liberty. Sorry, but I totally agree with Schmecky: what in the world does TLC and the show being on hold have to do with whether or not the kids could make a trip to NYC?
I was going to say something about the lack of funds might be a reason the kids didn’t come. But Kate made the trip. And she is incurring the cost of the nanny while she is away. If I only had $1,000 to my name – and truly nothing else – then BOTH of those expenses would have been crossed off the list. My attorneys would handle the legal issues, the nanny would be gone because I couldn’t afford it, and my butt would be home because that last thousand dollars won’t cover meals & lodging in NYC, my kids lunch money, gas in my car, etc. etc. etc.
If they truly only have $231,000 to their name after earning at the very least $2.5 million (using Jon's estimate of $500K per season AFTER taxes), then I don't think EITHER of them were living within their means. They could have/should have consulted with a financial advisor. In spite of medical bills (they were on Medicaid when the sextuplets were born - state dollars paid for those costs b/c they were both unemployed) tuition, braces, food, shelter, all of that stuff that we ALL have to pay - they should still have more to show for it all in the end.
Sorry for being so long winded. I've been reading & keeping quiet on much of this (and I'm not a troll, gwop, whatever - I've commented here many other times). Apparently once I started spouting off my thoughts I didn't know when to stop! LOL! And the entire Gosselin family is in my prayers.
SchmeckyGirl,
ReplyDeleteI agree with alot of your post, 1:17pm today is right on. Even if the kids are sad about not filming, she should try to make them feel better by telling them they can still do special things and go places, right?
I am not as good with the computer as a lot of you are who know how to post links, but Kate calling into the View is on youtube under the View Gosselin bank account. They aren't very nice to her. Also TLC has another Kate blog where you can ask Kate questions. Divorce laws need to change so assets can be protected while a determination is made as to allocation.
ReplyDeleteWhat doesn't make any sense to me is Jon thinking he has gotten nothing from the earnings of the show during the past 4 years. It is not like Jon sat in a cage for the last 4 years and the earnings sat piling up in a bank. Jon was living and living well. The Elizabethtown house and the Wernersville house that he has lived in and continues to live in part time were bought. Jon has eaten well, dressed nice, had many leisure activities and gagets such as computers throughout this time. He has help with the kids when he has custody. I wonder if he even understands what it costs to run a home, his home because he went from living with his mother to marrying Kate and she always ran things. Also working on a TLC show is not in a similar income bracket as being a Britney Spears and Jon is trying to live like that. They don't have a situation where they get a paycheck in two weeks or once a month, so money needs to last longer. If Jon wanted his kids off tv for genuine reasons, he would be contributing money not depleting it. Baby mama, I hope you are taking care of yourself.
They probably had a planned trip with tours and everything else and that is why they can't go right now. Its not like she said oh I'm never going to take the kids there. It had to be postponed b/c of all of Jon's nonsense! And do you guys seriously believe that Jon has not been paid how in the world has he been paying for all his trips with hailey ,new cars, jewelery, food, bachelor pad, how much other things am I missing? And I bet the money Kate has taken out went into the kids accounts or a savings account not that Jon's sleaze would admit to that. I think its sad its come to this. I really feel for the children this just is not fair. And who is suppose to be with the kids right now? I thought Kate had the weekends? Am I wrong? Now they have to be all alone while they battle it out!
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ReplyDeleteScmeckyGirl, not one time in Kate's interview did she say, they can not go anywhere because they were not being filmed.
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Kate said the kids could not go to the Statue of Liberty because they can't film the show. She said (quote) "I can tell you that my kids are upset that it's on hold, that the opportunities that they did have. For example, they're supposed to be in New York. We were supposed to come up this weekend and see the Statue of Liberty and they don't understand why we can't do that now."
First of all, I'd believe Kate's side 100 times more than Jon and his lawyer side shovel out. His credibility stinks so much I don't see how anyone can believe him anymore.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, someone posted that she shouldn't have gone to NY if she was truly hurting for money, but any interviews including travel expenses are paid for by the shows, so that is moot.
Thirdly, maybe Kate did tell the kids that they'll have to have their fun at home. Going places and doing special things still costs money.
Fourthly, I'm sure Kate would have noticed if Jon was withddrawing over the last several months, so this last major withdrawal took place between statements and within a few days. I know when I get busy I don't always look that closely at online banking to see the balance, esp. if I know that there should be a certain amount in there at any time.
And the comment made that Jon couldn't have made the withdrawal at the local branch because he wasn't there is pretty irrelevent. You can go to any branch anywhere in the U.S. to do that. You also don't need to go online to do it.
KatherineDenise said...
ReplyDeleteSchmeckygirl, Your last post about Liberty Island is just plain ignorant. Are you serious??
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Are YOU serious?
I think the fact that there was "only" $230,000 in the joint account proves how much Kate has put away in trust for the children in the other accounts. I doubt she or Jon can touch those- she probably set it up that way so they would be protected no matter what.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe they have spent all of it. Kate is too responsible with money to have done that. Carrying both houses has probably put a dent in it, though. I don't think they're destitute, but it does make things difficult for a few days until it's sorted out. It's also embarrassing that she found out because the banks called her and said "Hey, we're trying to take your monthly payments out, but there's no money there." That can't feel good.
Whatever Jon's reasoning, it was wrong to do. Whatever he thinks he is owed would have been sorted out when the divorce was final.
Re: the kids being sad about not filming... I really don't think it's all about the filming. It's yet another change in these kids' lives that they have to deal with. Their mom and dad aren't there all the time for them like they used to be, members of their extended family and their parents' friends aren't there like they used to be, their dogs have gone away for the time being, and their parents are divorcing. The film crew not being there when the kids expected them to be is another CHANGE... how much change can these kids take? I wonder if the dam just broke when they were told about their filmed trip being off. Their being upset about that was just one thing, but set off by many other things.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the new ring, she hasn't bought it yet, but it sounds as if she's confident that she'll be able to afford it as soon as she gets income. Maybe she'll sell or auction off the wedding ring or just sell the stones and have them replaced.
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl, I couldn't wait for your latest posts to go up. I couldn't figure out how anybody could support Jon this time, but I knew you'd find a way.
ReplyDeleteHave you travelled with multiples? Do you have any idea of what a strain it is? Folks it really isn't at all like put the youngest one in the stroller and take the other one by the hand and off you go!
If it is a TLC trip, they now pay for the bodyguards for the children. Kate cannot afford to take them into NY without extensive security. There is no way you can hold 10 sets of hands, etc. It's expensive having the "nannies" travel with you; even if they'd make a commitment to going out of town. Even doing day trips with our multiples, the "nanny" and lots of planning is stressful beyond all means. And all I have to worry about are the "regular" crazies out there not the paparazzi in addition.
Yes there are probably are many bank accounts. We have one for each of our children and they are in long term investments (i.e. read that substantial penalties if we cash in early!)
We have a money market account for our future taxes (state, federal and local), one for our quarterly insurance payments ($5400 per quarter so we try to earn every penny we can before we pay out.) We also have a "liquid" joint account into which we keep a fund for household expenses (two house payments in PA, groceries, the big van, food, dental expenses like braces not covered under health insurance, monthly clothing, tuition expenses, additional school supplies, and on and on.) There's a substantial amt in that account because it also covers emergency roofing, or plumbing, or furnaces, etc. It doesn't earn phenomenal dividends being just a money market, but better than straight checking.
Yes, medicaid paid a good portion of Kate's hospital expenses, but if you go online and check, you can find out that there were lots of expenses that weren't covered and that they still had to pay.
And yes my present hubby (15 years) and I are able to base our offices in our homes (very lucky), be accessible to school and kids, and make very good incomes. We do feel very fortunate. But we also work very hard, have been very thrifty using coupons and watching those pennies, to get those investment accounts and be in that position.
We didn't buy multiple sports cars, skull rings, $650 bottles of champagne, or generally act like jerks.
Sorry, I'm going to drop this, if you haven't been there I'm explaining to the walls.
Where do I even FRICKIN START WITH THIS?????? I haven't watched Kate on the Today Show yet, I have it dvr'd, just got home from work, but I KNEW there would be drama to speak of in the blog world!
ReplyDeleteThe preview for the Insider makes Jon look even more like a total douche. I can't even handle this anymore. I can't. What a frickin baby. I can't even find the right words to describe him, because he is so out of this world. I refused to watch him on Larry King, because I'm so tired of him being so pathetic all the time, 'oh I'm so frustrated, oh i'm the bad guy and kate's the good guy, it's all for my kids, i love hailey, i love new york, blah blah blah'
JON: SHUT UP. SERIOUSLY. STOP TALKING. IT DOES YOU NO GOOD. NONE. WHATSOEVER. MIGHT AS WELL HAVE HAILEY SPEAK FOR YOU!!!
It seems like people are overlooking what SchmeckyGirl posted above:
ReplyDeleteOctober 5, 2009 (Los Angeles, CA)-- Jon Gosselin is speaking exclusively to THE INSIDER on today's panel about his estranged wife Kate's claims that he withdrew $230,000 from their joint account without notifying her.
Gosselin tells THE INSIDER that Kate's claims are "a total fabrication. I withdrew $22,000 last Thursday. I have the paper trail to prove it."
What will people say when it is learned Kate lied? Since Jon publicly said he wants the kids OFF the air, it's been one distraction after the other by Kate and her army of PR people. Don't get those confused with P people.
Kate would like you to conveniently forget that she wishes to keep filming her children, even though it may be harming them.
I can't say I am suprised that Jon took the money. He's trying to sabptage Kate, but he is really hurting his kids.
ReplyDeleteSchmecky, as usual, I agree w/ all of what you've said. And dhwh1993, I agree w/ your post at 4:10. Also, I'm pretty sure people read my posts here and think I'm from gwop and I've NEVER posted there in my life. (although it is an interesting read when you're bored, lol.)
ReplyDeleteI really think J & K are so caught up in the heat of this, that they are not seeing the big picture. What is TRULY, TRULY important - those 8 healthy children. Nothing that goes on in the media is going to change a thing in court.
I watch their old episodes and it's just sad to see what this has all turned into.
This was written about kate's new lawyer back in 2000:
ReplyDelete"But it is Singer's ability to make prying journalists back off that's made him so valuable--he charges $400 an hour--to folks who are sensitive about their private lives."
$400 an hour 9 years ago...wonder what his rates are now.
I think that it was explained somewhere that Jon began withdrawing money in August and the last withdrawal was late September, leaving her with barely anything in the account. I am sure, again, she was probably trying to take care of these issues privately,through the Attorneys and perhaps the last withdrawal, in late September, may have been substantial enough to leave her with nothing. Whether he has withdrawn $175,000 or $230,000, he has been withdrawing all of this money, in a matter of two months it seems. I can see Kate's fear when she tried to save the $100,000 from him, because it seems that he may have began withdrawing money, right before she filed for divorce, and maybe that is what caused her to file, because not only was he acting emotionally erratic, now he was depleting their savings. And I am sure that she has a record trail of her expenditures, whether it was to pay for the kid's tuition, property taxes, or mortgage, insurance, and bills pertaining to the upkeep of the house. The only big expenditure that I have seen is her car, as Jon has said that the Dodge Sprinter does not drive well in the bad weather. Now on the other hand, we have seen Jon pissing money away, left and right.
ReplyDeleteI also think that everyone wants to dissect whatever Kate says. I think that she was trying to reflect examples, when she talks about the kids dismay about not going to the Statue of Liberty. I do not think that she was implying that she cannot take her kids to the Statue of Liberty on her own, she was just trying to give an example of how disappointed they were. The same with not being able to pay her bills, again just trying to show an example, of how Jon does not care how his depleting the account, for extravagant things, has left her with no money to pay the bills.
We cannot continue to excuse Jon's actions. If he feels that he in entitled to a "paycheck" then he should have worked it out, instead of withdrawing money out of an account that is used to pay bills. Everything he does is spiteful and he is a liar that talks out of both sides of his mouth.
.......all I can say at this moment is "woo hoo for Nancy Grace!!!!!!!!!!"..............finally!!
ReplyDeleteIt's great we can see both sides of this insane situation but some of the comments on this site make me question whether we're all actually fans.....Shelly, I hear ya!~
A lot of articles are eluding to the fact that Jon feels or is entitled to 50% of the family earnings. Kate gave him back the half of the $100K she took out after the arbitrator placed the guidelines on the joint account. I'd like to know how much Jon feels Kate and the kids, separately, are each entitled to.
ReplyDeleteHe says he's withdrawn less than 10% of their gross revenue, but doesn't clarify if that's after taxes. That would make a huge difference.
Furthermore, he still claims she is hiding money in other accounts but it was reported several weeks ago that she put a substantial amount, something like 80% into the kids account.
So if he didn't withdraw a lot of money from the joint account in the last week or so, and Kate didn't, who did? Was it a bank mistake or was Kate simply confused? I'm sure the bank would have documentation of who, when and how the funds were withdrawn and it would have been evidenced at today's hearing.
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ReplyDeleteIf they truly only have $231,000 to their name after earning at the very least $2.5 million (using Jon's estimate of $500K per season AFTER taxes), then I don't think EITHER of them were living within their means. They could have/should have consulted with a financial advisor. In spite of medical bills (they were on Medicaid when the sextuplets were born - state dollars paid for those costs b/c they were both unemployed) tuition, braces, food, shelter, all of that stuff that we ALL have to pay - they should still have more to show for it all in the end.
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They do have more money, but if K is smart, she would have socked away most of it in various types of investments (retirement accounts, college savings plans) and trusts for the children. I'm guessing that is where the majority of the money is. Granted, she could withdraw those funds, but it would take time and incur stiff penalties/take a big loss/capital gains taxes. If I were her, I'd try to go after Jon and get the money back before dipping into those accounts.
I think the rules about withdrawing from mm accounts depend on the brokerage being used, etc. At any rate, K is not allowed to touch the money either unless she is paying bills with it and she shows the bills.
As for the other amounts that Heller states - I have no idea. My guess? Transferring the monies to the investment, trusts, etc. Rich people do not keep the most of their money in cash in the bank.
What I don't understand is if Jon is accusing K of stealing and saying that she handles all the money and doesn't give him access, how was he able to know about these very specific transactions?
It seems like Heller's letter confirms that Jon took the money and he even states that Jon is owed even more! He may very well be entitled to the other accounts, which will be hammered out in the divorce proceedings, but draining the one account used for paying bills was really horrible, IMO.
SchmeckyGirl, I missed the part in the interview about the new ring. What did Kate say about it?
Who does Jon think he is kidding?
ReplyDeleteIt is VERY bothersome to me that Jon feels that he is OWED a paycheck. If that is how he feels then they need to add up all the money they made from the show and divide it 10 ways. What man does that??? What man takes HIS paycheck only to leave HIS family with a $1,000???
I appreciated how Nancy Grace told it like it is and did not give him a break! She hit the nail on the head when she asked him why it was always about HIM?!?!!? He couldn't even answer her because he KNOWS that she is right!!
I pray that this family can heal and mend itself to some degree!
First of all, let me say that I may very well be biased, because I am recently divorced, and I see A LOT of the way Jon has behaved in the way my ex-husband behaved. That said, I never spoke to him the way Kate spoke to Jon in the clips that have now become what everyone believes Kate was always like & what Jon now claims was abuse. I also have a background in psychology, and I believe Jon has bipolar disorder. He exhibits all the classic symptoms (as far as we can see), and without treatment, it's only going to get worse.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, my personal belief is that marriage, especially when there are children involved, isn't something you just quit without trying. From what we heard from Kate, he wouldn't even tell her exactly what his problems were, and I know exactly what that's like. I keep hearing Jon say, "It's called parenting," but I'd like to know what part of quitting & showing your children that when times get hard you should run away is part of being a good parent?
I know A LOT of people will disagree with me, but that's just the way life works, eh? If you compare each spouses stories, Kate, BY FAR, is more consistent. Almost every time Jon speaks, he winds up contradicting himself. Right now I'm watching him on Entertainment Tonight saying he has apologized to Kate and that he wants to get along while he's bashing her and calling her a liar.
I distinctly remember him saying, at the end of last season, that the reason he was ambivalent about continuing with the show was because he couldn't be Jon & wanted to be away from the spotlight. Then, what happened? As soon as he left his family, he was dating a woman who worked for a tabloid magazine, and hob-knobbing with Christian Aidigier in France with a different woman. If that isn't like putting a target on your back, I don't know what is.
On the episode where they announced their divorce, or separation, as it were, he even said, "I have to think about my kids. I don't want them to Google this one day. [sic]" Clearly, he hasn't held true to that statement.
Another inconsistency I heard tonight was about Dr Phil. Earlier Jon has said that the only thing he and Kate spoke about was their branding, and now he says they did talk about getting along. He also said that his kids tell him, "I just want a normal life," but when asked about Kate saying, "the kids want to continue filming," he says something like, "How can you know what a child wants? When we told them we were getting divorced, one of the 5 year olds asked what was for lunch, Maddie said ..., and Cara said 'I saw this coming.'" Besides, up until the shutting down of the show, Kate has done a very good job, in my opinion, of not bad mouthing Jon, and he has called her everything but Satan, and many times he was bordering on irate when he was being interviewed.
All in all, it's much easier to trust someone who has been consistent & poised, even if they have come across as very anal, and maybe even someone you don't particularly like, opposed to someone who's all over the place, both mentally and physically.
Ok, I think I'm officially a little too obsessed with this drama now.
ReplyDeleteI've been thinking about Jon's (via Heller) claim that Kate has been taking money out also. That's a pretty serious allegation. If it is true, why didn't he sue her to get the money back, as she is doing?
If he is owed more money that's in the investment accounts, etc., he'll get his half (or whatever the court deems) via the divorce proceedings. I mean, K will HAVE to disclose where all the money is. What is so urgent that he needs the money that is set aside for household bills and more importantly, why is he taking it now (or over the course of a month, depending on whose side you believe)?
AND, why isn't his lawyer advising him of the legal implications of this?
Is there something fishy going on, or is it just me?
I guess I'm not explaining well (as a mother of multiples, sometimes it takes me a bit longer.)
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter how many accounts you have. Jon says there are 11. Count one of them for each child (8) and you are down to 3.
What matter is the this account was designated and stipulated for household expenses by the court, and Jon was not supposed to use it in the matter he did.
And through it all, I knew there were certain ones in here that could be counted upon to put down Kate's efforts and somehow find a way to make Jon the continuing hero. That's just too much.
This has me so upset and frustrated that I think I just need to log out for several days. I'm obviously frustrated that I feel like people without multiples or who have not gone through a divorce (much less both) just don't understand and are somehow naive in what they are saying. That they just don't understand that you can't put one kid in the stroller, grab one by the hand, jump in the car and go. That is an unfair statement on my part and I'm unable to be objective so I'm taking a break.
Bless you all.
I'd also like to make a comment to those who keep asking what TLC has to do with whether or not the kids can go to the Statue of Liberty.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure Kate doesn't mean they can NEVER go to the SoL, but for just a moment I think people should step back and think about what kind of preparation would have to be made to take 8 children, six of them being 5 yrs old, to NYC, to the SoL. Besides, from what I understood, Jon shut the filming down just a day or 2 before they were set to go to NYC. Yes, Kate has a lot of help, but it's still not easy. I think people make it sound much easier than it is. One child is difficult with help, and it's not like Kate has one nanny per child & servants doing everything for her. She is still a very involved parent who does a lot.
I can't wait to watch JOn on the insider. I couldn't stop laughing it was so scripted. In the begginginghe looked possessed,lol.If he wants the show to stop then why is going on other shows?I really, really miss the old Jon, now I can't stand him!!Jon really just wants attention I don't think he even wants to stop the show for the kids!HE's so stupid!
ReplyDeleteThey need to stop talking through the media...about anything. It is so unhealthy for everyone involved.
ReplyDeleteI liked that episode. As a fellow neat-freak, organization addict, I totally appreciated the joy Kate felt in tidying up that awful basement and the need to get it done once started. It made me want to go do my closet! I cannot believe no one ever got her a label maker for Christmas!
ReplyDeleteThe kids with the costumes were just so gosh darned cute, I loved it. I loved how they got all possessive of the costumes- just like every other kid. Playing with Kate's friend's son was funny. I love how they just take everyone into their little family and treat them the same. They're going to be such wonderful adults.
rkc~ Let me just put in my own opinion and say I do NOT feel in any way Kate would like you to conveniently forget that she wishes to keep filming her children. If you feel it's harimng them that is your own opinion as well. I never felt that way and never will. Because a mother will always make what she feels is in the best intrests of her kids. If you agree or not.
ReplyDeleteI also need ot put my 2 cents in regarding the comment about the Statue of Liberty and the kids not going because of filming. I dont think anyone except Malach got what she meant. Yes Jon canceled filming 2 days before this big planned trip. Those of us without several children are not aware the planning it takes for something like that. And its NOT that they can never go, but it was a trip that was already mentioned to the kids and they were excited to go. I'm sure they will go again, but the kids are now upset.
I have been there a few times, and there is alot of chaos getting plans for that trip running as smoothly as possible. So I hope those that were offended go what she meant by it. Have not watched the show or The In sider yet, so I'm excited to hear what you all thought! Was Nancy Grace an animal? (lol)
Jon was pretty much stuttering over his words. Nancy Grace said it perfectly, everything goes back to "Jon". EVERYTHING, the money that he spends on himself, the NY apartment, the expensive cars, EVERYTHING and anyone who thinks differently has rocks in their heads. And he has no true remorse, because he says he is sorry, because he thinks that will get him off the hook in the public eye, and he tries to justify everything that he does. He does not need to be in NY because he has nothing going on in NY, he is a LIAR and he is a CREEP.
ReplyDeleteI think part of Jon's justification for taking the money was that he sees the children's trust fund as something to raise them with and Kate sees it as something for them when they grow up. If he felt that the financial agreement was wrong, he should have gone to court instead of taking the money. I am disappointed because they didn't show the Insider here. I wanted to hear what Nancy Grace had to say. I also don't think Kate intended to buy a ring now, maybe after the divorce was final and I don't think she intended to buy something overly expensive like what Jon bought Hailey, it's more of something symbolic for her and her kids. I also think that a trip to the Statue of Libery with TLC is different than just going on your own, it's a lot more close up and structured, not to mention the fact that if Kate can't even take her kids to the dentist or school bus without a bunch of crazed paparazzi, how can she take them to a major landmark in New York City without the security and control that TLC provides. Just stopping filming isn't going to change things, at least not for quite awhile.
ReplyDeleteI loved the show tonight. I loved how Hannah sat at the little picnic table and so proudly said "coming up next on Jon and Kate Plus Eight." and how Alexis was so excited when Kate found her doll. I also like how they talked about Kate's needing to have things work for her, over having it pretty and how one person's needs are different from another because I have finally been listening to myself on that front and the way I have things now is finally working for me. That hit home for me. I pray that Kate and the kids have harmony in their lives.
And I forgot to say that Jon asked how Kate can talk on behalf of the kids and whether they want to film or not film,yet he has no problem talking on behalf of the kids, saying that they don't want to film. I am watching him on ET, he is spiteful, Nancy Grace called him on it and she is the only one, so far, with all of these interviews, that has really, really grilled him on it. Kate has been consistent about the filming. Jon was first on the fence about it, then the Utah interview he was saying that the filming was great, then he is on the fence, then he defended the filming when the Jodi and Kevin interview came on, NOW it's detrimental. Come on folks...this is a no brainer.
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl YES I am serious, the additude in which you said it in seems to me you are a Kate hater and therefor have the wrong blog. I am tired of people making excuses for Jons actions. He cheats, lies, steals and makes excuses for it. Its DISGUSTING!!
ReplyDeleteAnd although I know you know what Kate meant I like the way Baby Mama explained it and how I took it...
Yes Jon canceled filming 2 days before this big planned trip. Those of us without several children are not aware the planning it takes for something like that. And its NOT that they can never go, but it was a trip that was already mentioned to the kids and they were excited to go. I'm sure they will go again, but the kids are now upset.
I LOVED THE NOISE KATE MADE WHEN THE LABEL MAKER SPIT OUT THE LABEL!!! I cracked up, I have a good friend that is a freak about containers and labels. She would become near orgasmic over having her own personal organizer come in to her house. Of course they would have nothing to do, cuz Aimee would have it all done, they'd have to just drink coffee and chat!!
ReplyDeleteI love the statements where you say you check your own bank accounts often and know what is in them...........shrug.......so do I...but I suspect we are comparing apples to oranges here. I bet "I" check mine because there isn't $231,000 sitting in it, so I feel the need to check it a little more often than Kate checks hers.........that's only MY opinion, but I could be wrong.
Jon.......no need to comment. I love how Schmecky Girl always supports Jon.........makes me shake my head. I wonder if she isn't a 'plant' to keep the controversy going!!??
If Jon reads this blog I'm surprised he even goes out in public. I know I wouldn't if I were him.
I had to laugh out loud when Nancy Grace jumped all over Jon's lawyer to let Jon speak for himself, then Jon got all flustered and left speechless when Nancy called out Jon on why it's always about him.
ReplyDeleteI am a little disappointed that the judge didn't make a decision today, but not surprised. Hopefully it will be done quikcly. But I do agree that regardless if Jon felt he was entitled to take $22K or whatever amount, he did it in violation of the rules. Why would he need that much right now anyway?
In all this madness, it was a very nice reprieve to watch tonight's show. I'm a neat freak like Kate and can't stand clutter, so I enjoyed seeing her get the basement organized and the kids helping with the toilet paper. Wish I could have gotten my girls to help as much. It was nice to see her laughing, at least for the moment.
However Jon's been able to access this joint account, I hope to God that Hailey hasn't figured out a way into it. That would be horrible.
ReplyDeleteI think there's a difference between caring about the Gosselin family but thinking that both J&K are not making the best decisions right now and being someone who hates them and just wants to stir up trouble on a blog.
ReplyDeleteI certainly don't support Jon in everything that he's done but neither do I for Kate. I find it hard to know who to believe as time goes on and more drama occurs.
Someone said this a long time ago, on this blog I believe, that it's hard to understand how all of us can read and see the same stuff (whether it be the show or the media) and have such a different viewpoint on what is going on. That is so true.
Believe me, I would LOVE to know the entire truth about this situation, but I think the Gosselins need to go completely away from the public eye, as much as is possible, get through this crisis in their family, and re-evaluate what is important. Being believable or unbelievable in the public's opinion is not going to solve any of their problems.
I caught that too, about Jon saying that Kate couldn't speak for the kids (regarding filmin). Huh??? What the heck...?? Excuse me.. but HE can??? She is the primary caregiver, (and bill payor). All of a sudden he thinks he's capable of controlling the family, huh? He can't even control himself.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I, too, was surprised to hear about Kate saying that the show would probably stop permanently. If so, then was her lawyer indeed wrong that the contract stated that either parent could stop the show or all filming of the kids regardless who had physical custody for that day? I'd like to hear more clarification on that.
Also, it was interesting that her PA lawyer claimed that Jon's lawyer was not licensed to practice law in PA, who also failed to disclose his previous license suspension in NY. Wonder if that will really make a difference.
Regarding organization, I loved what Kate said: "I'm the only one who cares about organization and everyone else is out to sabotage me." LOL!!! So true in my house too! My house can be immaculately clean and whether there are 4 kids in my house or 13, it is wrecked in a matter of hours.
ReplyDeleteNancy Grace castigated them both calling them self involved and immature.
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ReplyDeleteI caught that too, about Jon saying that Kate couldn't speak for the kids (regarding filmin). Huh??? What the heck...?? Excuse me.. but HE can??? She is the primary caregiver, (and bill payor). All of a sudden he thinks he's capable of controlling the family, huh? He can't even control himself.
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Right....He continues to act like a fool at the expense of his family and he is too stupid to even figure that out. What does he think that they are going to do if the show stops. Money is set aside for the kids, so does he think that he is going to go ahead and deplete that money too...The only way that he is making money now is by selling out his family....what is he going to do when when we don't care about him anymore, how will he support his family??? He doesn't have a clue what it means to really work and support a family and why doesn't Hailey have a job? They are two lazy ass moochers.
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ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl YES I am serious, the additude in which you said it in seems to me you are a Kate hater and therefor have the wrong blog. I am tired of people making excuses for Jons actions. He cheats, lies, steals and makes excuses for it. Its DISGUSTING!!
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Why is it that when someone doesn't agree with something Kate says or does they are automatically labeled a Kate hater or a Gwop? Why is it that people have to insult another poster? I don't call anyone here ignorant because I don't agree with them. Half the time I can't believe some of the comments I read. I get frustrated but I don't name call. I address the comment or issue and give my opinion.
It is possible to reply back and give your opinion in a way that could make me view it differently. Attitude about Kate or Jon and the frustration either one of them make us feel is one thing, but there's no need to catch attitude with people on this site.
I personally just don't see how a lot of people defend Kate 100% no matter what. It's like she can do no wrong. And even when she does wrong she has an excuse for it or is given an excuse for it.
I didn't take sides on the money issue. I just said there are two sides to every story. Most of the people here just discuss Kate's side. As long as this blog is the Gosselin Family Fan Site I don't think it's wrong to bring up Jon's version of what happened. I quoted the attorney. I didn't make it up myself. I didn't say I knew it to be the truth. I just feel that it's possible it's not so black and white.
I didn't defend Jon no matter what. I just said there could be some truth to what he's saying. We don't know what Jon's reasons were for taking the money or that he knew it was all there was in that account. I also said that I don't blame Kate for going after him to get it back.
And I'm sorry but Kate did make it seem like Jon left them all penniless and wondering where their next meal would come from. She can't pay the bills. Most people that say that now they can't pay their bills actually mean they can't. Not that they prefer not to liquidate their investments. I'm NOT saying she should have to liquidate the investments. I understand the logistics of that... what I'm saying is that at least she has that option. For her to go on national television crying about how she doesn't have money to pay the bills is insulting to others in this economy who really can't pay their bills.
I understand that it's difficult to take 8 children out. I didn't say it will be easy. However, when it was Jon and Kate they took the kids out just the two of them as the kids got older. Kate can ask a friend to go with them. She can ask two friends to go. It's not like she has to pay her friends to go out places with her. At least I hope not. The children aren't toddlers anymore. They are older now and easier. What happened to Can Do Kate?
ReplyDeleteIt's a day trip to NY. A car ride away. So Kate is never going to take her children anywhere ever again if the film crew isn't there?
Maybe that just shows that she needs to get them out of the public eye and get out of the media business if she will never be able to take them anywhere because they need bodyguards or because they worry about the paparazzi. The children can't go anywhere unless there is a camera crew present? What kind of life is that?
Schmecky Girl: Wow girl you've taken some hits today! Just wanted you to know that I always enjoy reading your opinions.
ReplyDeleteOne of the reasons I love this site is because although the majority support Kate other opinions (for the most part) are welcome. You can't find that anywhere else. So Baby Mama I wanted to thank you for allowing the varying thoughts to be posted. It makes your site a lot more interesting!
Whether you're a supporter of J or K, I'm sure there's one thing we an all agree on, we are all on the kids' side.
Schmeckygirl~ As we all know, when you go on a hate site and try to defend Kate you are ripped apart, spit out, and made to know that you are never allowed back unless you want the same. Its horrible, nasty, crude and hurtful. This site is a place where fans of Kate and the show can come. I always have allowed other points of view as long as they are not hurtful. But just like everywhere, people can get defensive.
ReplyDeleteTo say Kate talking about the taking of the funds so she could not pay her bills "insulting" is your own opinion that I and many on this site do not agree with. I didn't feel she was stating she is almost on welfare and penniless. She is just saying she (like all of us) keep a certain amount in a particular account to pay the bills and that that money was not to be touched. Jon shouldd have known that. Or maybe he didn't (he obviously doesn't pay the bills in that house). Either way, she said it was wrong. And she is allowed to say that she shouldnt pay her bills, because if that was her account to do so and she couldnt't, then there you go. Why is the issue of the fact that shes no longer as middle class as everyone else be such a sticking point with some??
We agree to disagree and your opinions are still always welcomed..
I would just like to add that I am fortunate enough to be able to pay my bills. I didn't want anyone thinking that I personally was insulted by Kate not saying she can't pay her bills or that I am jealous that she can and I can't, etc.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that you can't cut and paste from another post? I can't seem to get it to work.....
ReplyDeleteSchmecky girl I do understand the frustration over Kate acting like she can't pay the bills. I wish I had her money issues.
HOWEVER, I do see reports of Jon spending all this money. I don't see frivolous spending on Kate's part. It has been reported that Jon took the money. Kate freaks out over not using a coupon. I guess what I see is her being responsible and his being a loser that just sits around and whines.
He moved AWAY from his family to an apartment with only one bedroom. He bought sports cars, he spends $$ on expensive bottles of crap to drink......so for a woman to look at a man that left his kids and went on a spending spree, it doesn't sit right with me. I think we all look at this from our own personal set of views and morals. I grew up broke, I am very cautious with money. I struggle and I sacrifice. It would kill me if I had worked hard to gain some financial stability to have my jerky husband go off and blow it on wild women trips, jewelry and frivolity when I had to make choices and sacrifices to get us to this financial point.
yes, I am talking like it is me because I think we can all see ourselves in Kate's shoes.
Face it, she is home taking care of business. Yes, she travels but can you beat her up for that? She is traveling to do WORK.............Jon travels to whore around with some skanky rich guy's spoiled bratty illiterate cheesy daughter. Big difference in my opinion. By him taking that money he made the statement that he will get at Kate no matter what, even at the expense of the 8 children he helped create. But somehow is not thinking of first and foremost.
GO K8!!!
Yes, I agree with Baby Mama, it is good to see other opinions but not to the point that it is OK to reduce an account that helps to support your children. Maybe it's just that most of you have never had to be in a situation where you had no food or money or clothing and were never ridiculed because you came from a 'lower station' in life.
ReplyDeleteDo you feel it is OK to be betrayed by the man that was supposed to be the one person in your life you could always depend on to love honor and cherish you? I dunno, but I feel that is the ultimate betrayal from a man you once chose as your soul mate, your life partner.
I am not drawing from personal experience here, I have a man that has more class, moral fiber and 'balls' in his little finger than Jon has in his entire body!!! My DH is outraged at how limp Jon is being right now.
My gag reflex is pretty weak whenever I even see Jon, he has become a fat sloppy slime ball.
SchmeckyGirl,
ReplyDeleteMaybe tapping into their non-liquid investments is NOT a feasible option. Sometimes it takes days, even weeks to be able to do that, and perhaps under the artibrator's rules, neither she or Jon are allowed to do that. Until she gets any money from TLC or anyone else, it may still take a while.
It shouldn't matter if they have more assets than the average family, if she can't pay , she can't pay, no matter what amount they are; she simply can't pay the bills for the time being and she's scared.
Our family has a lot less then they do and many times it is a struggle to make payments, but I don't consider it an insult for her to be scared. I've been there too. There's no certainty that she'll have a steady income (in order to support the 8) in the months or years to come.
Thank you Baby Mama. I really do enjoy your site. And I am not a plant. (Or a tree for that matter.) Who would have planted me here? You? That one confused me. Whatever.
ReplyDeletePersonally it doesn't bother me that Jon and Kate have money. I thought it was great, especially for the children. I think what bothered me, and bothered a lot of people about it, was even when they were making money from the show they were giving the impression that they were living off Jon's salary alone. That Jon started working from home (a lot of people felt he wasn't) and they were on a shoestring budget to get by. That they were struggling to make ends meet. That they had to go without to give their children presents for xmas, etc. That they were purchasing some products that later turned out they were given.
I personally don't care that they get all the freebies and perks. I just find the blatant product placement on the show very, very annoying. It takes away from the integrity of the show in my opinion.
The time that Jon said "I'm just looking online at my insurance. My Allstate agent wanted me to look at blah, blah, blah" (while they zoomed in on the Allstate website) was just a bit too much for me. I found it insulting to the viewers. Maybe no one else feels that way, but I do. Not because they got free insurance or whatever, but because I feel some of the "scenes" are staged and not reality.
As for the episode. I enjoyed it. Probably because I'm Mrs. Organization. No, I'm not married to Mr. Organization. I wish. I hate clutter too. I can't concentrate if there is clutter.
ReplyDeleteI have the same shelving the organizers put up. I have the same bins Kate had and I have those plastic card label holders she stuck on (like a librarian). This episode was right up my alley.
At first I didn't understand why she had to have an organizer because supposedly she is so organized but yes, I agree, the time it would have taken her to do all that, forget it. Although I would have thought she'd hire workers to do all the work and she would be in charge of telling them were to put everything.
The kids were adorable today. Loved the dress up and discovery of their beloved toys. However, I will say I think they should have shared the rolling pin with the poor little boy. There were about 6. He couldn't get one? He couldn't share one? I felt so bad for him. Poor kid was outnumbered.
And I think that the biggest point is, Jon did not withdraw $20.00 to buy a pizza. Jon has admitted that Kate has handled the bill paying and the he has never withdrawn money out of their accounts in 10 years. Is Kate not to be worried that he has withdrawn $175,000 or $230,000 in the past several months? That is crazy, plain old crazy. And she did not say she was penniless and I'm sorry, but that kind of money pays alot of bills. And I don't think that she needs to tell us whether she prefers to liquidate any other investments. The story had to do with Jon taking money out of an account that was established to pay bills, that now she cannot pay. I work hard for my money, to pay my bills, I was not insulted by what she was saying. Yeah, I guess she could liquidate the kid's savings and sell the house, if she had to, so that she can continue to support Jon and his crazy lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteSchmeckygirl~ I'm so sorry..did I talk somewhere about trees or plants? I don't know where.. I'm sick as a dog on meds and If I regarded you as a plant of some sort I am sorry!!! haha
ReplyDeleteCindy~ So odd but so true. I can do it on my home computer, but can't do it on my laptop. When any of you figure it out let me know!
ReplyDeleteThe reason I take issue with Kate and her Today show performance is as follows:
ReplyDeleteShe can and should continue to keep a roof over the kids heads and food on the table, she has made enough money to do so. For her to insinuate that Jon took all but the last thousand dollars of the family fortune is dishonest.
And I stand by my earlier statement: Since Jon publicly said he wants the kids OFF the air, it's been one distraction after the other by Kate and her army of PR people. Look at what we're discussing: not whether or not those poor kids deserve some privacy at this stressful time. No. Instead, we're discussing Jon taking "Kate's money", and it has yet to be proven if her statements on the Today show were factually correct. Distraction. Kate's a pro.
I don't blame her for wanting to keep the show going; it's good money. I've defended Jon but I've had enough, they are BOTH acting like spoiled brats. I really can't relate to Kate, she has no idea what it's like to struggle in this world. Seeing as that's my own opinion, I believe I'm entitled to it.
I agree with Schmeckygirl, I don't understand why some people refuse look at both sides of the story.
If Jon does a charity event, some of you would attack him for it just because you hate him.
Schmecky is really the only person who can criticize Jon AND Kate with an even hand, I've seen her do it. If you think she simply on Jon's side, you aren't reading carefully. If you think she hates Kate, you are blinded by your own Kate worship. She has criticized them BOTH for their actions. Not just because of who they are.
This blog is like a playground sometimes, why do people attack the words of fellow posters, it's so mean.
I have to agree that SchmeckyGirl seems to be taking quite abit of heat left, right and centre. BUT I do think that Babymama has the comments filtered really well. I guess anyone here is entitled to address another's comments, as long as there is no direct bashing and name-calling, etc. When there are difference of opinions, strong (not harsh) words can be used and emotions can be clearly felt through words. SchemckyGirl does show her emotions strongly thru her words and so do many of us because we are so emotionally involved here. Perhaps the "plant" comment was a little out of line, but I still think all the comments are still considerably respectful and focused on the topic, but at the person.
ReplyDeleteNow back to J&K and the money issue. I think so many of us fail to remember that they went through really hard times. I don't know about you, but if I were Kate and I had gone through really bads times when I couldn't afford to pay my bills, I'd be really fearful of having to revert back to those times. And because of this, I feel really strongly that Kate's fear and "outburst" was a sincere one. No, it's not that they cannot afford to pay for anything at all. I think enough people have explained how the 11 accounts can be accounted for and how some accounts are better left untouched. Yes, Kate can afford them, but I just feel that her fear stems from the worry that this will continue in a downward spiral. If you think about it, without the steady income from the TLC-KP8 show, with money having to be allocated to Jon, plus the daily expenses for food, housing, etc., whatever money they earned and saved up for the kids could very well run dry in no time!
ReplyDeleteAnd if we're talking about Kate having income from other venues, well plans for her own show are not concrete yet, so there is no sure income from that. What about royalties from the book? I work in a publishing company, and I assure you that unless you're J.K Rowling, royalties are peanuts. She may earn a good amount per year, but every book has a shelf-life (most estimated for about 3 years) and it sure won't be enough to live on. Plus she wrote one book with Beth, so there goes half the money if it's a 50-50 split.
SchmeckyGirl, regarding your comment about J&K seeming to have less than enough money even though Jon was working and the were getting money from the show:
I think we need to remember that starting out a show, TLC couldn't have possibly been paying them the same amount that they are being paid now per episode. TLC takes a risk when filming any show and they won't pay large amounts unless they've not only broken even, but are earning large returns. Also, my guess is that before starting the show, they would have been in some kind of debt for housing and whatnot with such a huge family. So, thinking in their shoes, if I were in the same situation, whatever I earned from the show I would be taking large portions of that amount for the kid's education/trust fund, savings, and repaying loans, seeing as that is my ultimate priority. Whatever my husband earns is what we will be living on for daily expenses. Jon wouldn't have been earning a lot of money either, so the money for expenses wouldn't have been a lot. Scrimping and saving would, thus, be really important.
For me, priority would be saving for a rainy day (such a big family increases the risk of many big rainy days or even storms!), so if I can save on my daily expenses, I sure would do so!
Does this make sense to anyone? It's just my idea of how I would work out the expenses.
Per: SchmeckyGirl,
ReplyDeleteYou r the only one that picked up on my he said/she said post. It was intentionally put that way so people can see that we don't know who is right or wrong.
I did see Jon on The Insider. Everytime I see him, he looks a little bit more in control. Thanks to his attorney, maybe that is the only thing good about that guy. I don't like shows like that, because a person is jumped on and torn apart and those people were just out there for the ratings too. J&K should not be in the media at all, but he would do better on a program like Kate did. one on one.
Now about the he said/she said. I am not going to go there anymore. Let the arbitrator divide assets fairly, and let J&K work out visitation for Jon.
Only 1 more thing: Bee, what makes you think that Jon doesn't deserve a paycheck?? His name is on the contract and their his kids too.
Now everyone can call me a plant or tree, I just don't believe either one of these adults. I will miss the kids, but I do believe that children adjust better and faster then adults. As long as they have a stable adult and routine, they will be OK. Without filming they can now have more school friends over to play and the other parents do not have to worry about the p-people.
Baby Mama said...
ReplyDeleteSchmeckygirl~ I'm so sorry..did I talk somewhere about trees or plants? I don't know where.. I'm sick as a dog on meds and If I regarded you as a plant of some sort I am sorry!!! haha
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LOL!! You don't remember calling me a poinsettia??? ;) No, it wasn't you. Someone here suggested maybe I was a "plant", as in planted by someone? I really don't know. I don't know if they thought I was planted by you for "controversy" or someone else? I sure hope the person who planted me here is planning on paying me.
I can copy and paste on my laptop. I don't do it any special way though, I don't think.
ReplyDeleteI put my cursor where I want to start and hold down the left click button on my laptop while I drag the center red button control over what I want to copy. Then, while the cursor is over the highlighted area I use the right click button and select copy. Then I just paste it. I have an IBM ThinkPad. Not sure if that means anything. Hope that helped.
I have been reading all your comments with great interest. Jon and Kate are a train wreck-neither one of them has thought of the longterm, future - 5,10 years down the line. They both had a good ride of this show - trips, new homes, cars, etc. They are living above their income - and in 5 years I won't be surprised to read that - both are back on welfare. In today's financial climate - spending money like it grows on trees is only serving as the foundation for failure. How is it that one day after the "Funds" were withdrawn - Kate was on national TV - none of this is shock - it is a well executed attempt at pity.
ReplyDeleteSchmecky ..... I think you're still not getting the point that Kate is not saying she can never go anywhere alone with her kids without the camera crews along.
ReplyDeleteI think it simply boils down to the fact that a trip to New York was planned for this coming weekend and it was supposed to be filmed for TLC. I would do the same thing if filming were all of a sudden cancelled. I personally think you are reading more into this than what Kate meant. Can-do Kate is still there, I have no doubts about that.
And I agree with whoever said Nancy Grace is the ONLY person that has given Jon what he deserves right now........to be held directly accountable for what he says. I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED when she asked him why everything has to be about him, and he was just so thrown for a loop he couldn't talk...........LOL........
Just watched The Insider... loved Niecy Nash, as usual. ("... have a glass of act right"). He just kept repeating what he's said in all of his interviews, same as Kate. I'm sure there's only so much they can share, with everything in court right now.
ReplyDeleteJon is going to need alot more than a $22,000 (or whatever it was) receipt to prove his case. At this point, I'd believe the bank's accounting records more than Jon's or Kate's. I don't think Kate would have taken this to court if she didn't have sufficient evidence from the bank that he did it. We'll see when the decision comes down.
And if Jon did take the money, it won't last him long... with the way he's been living and spending money, he'll go through it like water. Better go host another pool party in Vegas, Jon... you're going to need the money!
It gets really tiring to read so many comments that TWIST things. I am with those who say that when Kate said the children were upset because they couldn’t go to the Statue of Liberty NOW that she didn’t mean she would never take them there, nor did she infer that she would never take them anywhere fun again. It’s Kate! She will find a way, even if it isn’t right at this moment.
ReplyDeleteWhether Jon only took $22,000 or the entire $230,000, it doesn’t really matter. He was told not to take ANY money without Kate’s consent.
As for her comments about the ring, this is another twist. She said she had talked to the children about getting the ring with 8 diamonds and the mother of pearl, not that she was heading out that minute to order it! Just because she has money worries right now, doesn’t mean she can’t dream. And I don’t know when she had that conversation with the children, but doubt it was right after she discovered the missing money.
And to be fair, since I hate it when people here seem to excuse away just about anything Jon does, but still not give Kate the benefit of the doubt, I will not do the same thing. I don’t love that she gave these last interviews, not sure what the purpose was. I liked it better when she kept these things private, even when Jon did not. I do, however, still feel like she was sincere and honest. Hopefully, I’m not wrong.
I’m so heartbroken when I watch tv. I have been a fan of the show and a supporter of the family from the beginning, but I have to admit that I have stopped watching since the divorce. It’s just not the same. And now, it’s just so heartbreaking to watch their divorce unfold on tv. Regardless of what I think of Jon or Kate at this point, I still root for them to succeed in healing their family. It’s so sad. My biggest gripe right now is how hurt they all seem. I really do think that money and success have blinded them both in different ways. Jon has completely flipped out and has done crazy things. no one is perfect, but I can’t rationalize (now) that the show is for the children. In the beginning, yes; I cannot imagine not having money to take care of 8 kids. But the children should be well taken care of now and like Kate says, she has put money aside. But I think the real issue is that they want to “keep up” the lifestyle that they’ve attained. Yes, they will go under without the show if they want to keep the huge house and trips. I’m all for taking advantage of luxuries, but not at the expense of the kids. I always feel like they will always have supplemental income due to their status, shows, books, etc. But I think that it’s time for jon and kate to get different “jobs” (like kate doing a show or whatever); just stop the TLC show. It seems like they would make money off the reruns. There are a lot of people, including myself that have had to change jobs, downsize housing, eliminate other expenses, just to live. It’s hard. Jon has really done some stupid things lately and regardless of his motives, I think he finally said one of the smartest things the other day by wanting to end the show and work out their problems in private. As much as I love the show, I’d rather have the health and wellbeing of the kids and parents have a chance to heal and grow. I just cry when I watch their show now. It’s obviously not working out at their current rate. I hope and pray the children are strong and resilient and I wish them all the best. Thanks for this outlet Baby Mama!
ReplyDeleteAlso it seems that they were not making all that kind of crazy money in the beginning, so people assume that they have been making 75,000 an episode from day one. That is not the case based on what Jon has said. They should be financially secure at this point, but how can we say that, when she has alluded that he has been withdrawing money like crazy. Think about it whether it's $175,000 or $230,000, that is a lot of money...What is he doing with it, if she is paying the bills.
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ReplyDeleteI understand that it's difficult to take 8 children out. I didn't say it will be easy. However, when it was Jon and Kate they took the kids out just the two of them as the kids got older. Kate can ask a friend to go with them. She can ask two friends to go. It's not like she has to pay her friends to go out places with her. At least I hope not. The children aren't toddlers anymore. They are older now and easier. What happened to Can Do Kate?
It's a day trip to NY. A car ride away. So Kate is never going to take her children anywhere ever again if the film crew isn't there?
Maybe that just shows that she needs to get them out of the public eye and get out of the media business if she will never be able to take them anywhere because they need bodyguards or because they worry about the paparazzi. The children can't go anywhere unless there is a camera crew present? What kind of life is that?
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And I am sure after such a rough week Kate did not have the energy to take the kids on a road trip, not to mention with them in the media so much this week the p- people would have been relentless. You make it sound so easy, "Its a day trip to NY" (with 8 kids)
I dont think if the shows goes off the air that everything will go away, we will forever know them. They will never be out of the puplic eye.
And from the children's point of view camera life has been great, wish I could have gone all those places or was able to take my kids to. I would upset too, there life as they know is over. And what will they have? A Mom and Dad whos away all the time trying to provide for them. I cant wait till the conversation comes up why Jon or Kate are never at home. I run a daycare and these children's mothers are nurses, they drop them off at my house at 6am pick them up at 6pm and there bed time is 8pm, so that 2 hours with Mommy every day, yeah thats a life!!
Schmeckygirl said...
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that when someone doesn't agree with something Kate says or does they are automatically labeled a Kate hater or a Gwop? Why is it that people have to insult another poster? I don't call anyone here ignorant because I don't agree with them. Half the time I can't believe some of the comments I read. I get frustrated but I don't name call. I address the comment or issue and give my opinion.
It is possible to reply back and give your opinion in a way that could make me view it differently. Attitude about Kate or Jon and the frustration either one of them make us feel is one thing, but there's no need to catch attitude with people on this site.
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Your right, you shouldnt have to catch additude from posting your opinion. I truely am sorry if I insulted you or you took it as name calling because that was not my intent. But, its hard to come to a site that us HUGE Kate fans can come to and show our love and support for her and now her show "Kate plus 8" and have to read peoples comments who are not Kate fans. I completely understand Kate so we get defensive and want to stand up for her. And you know as well as I do since you seem VERY involved with Jon and Kate that Kate takes those kids many places without cameras. She takes Mady and Cara to Taylor Swift concerts, takes the kids to the park and I am sure many places we dont see, so when you said that she cant take the kids anywhere without cameras it seems like a very unfair statement, thats all.
I can honestly say...I could probably relate to Kate's point of view in the interview and she did come off as believable. I can understand why they put her in front of the camera to defend her opinion. The only part that really threw me is when she talked about not being able to feed her kids and in the next breath talked about buying an 8 diamond ring.
ReplyDeleteBittersweet,
ReplyDeleteI'm sure she's not going to go out and buy the replacement ring until this financial mess is settled. Like I said before, she might sell her other ring to get it replaced or sell/replace the stones and keep the setting. She's a smart woman, she can figure it out.
Raelin~ Thank you for your comment about me filtering the site well. This fan site, if you know it or not, is read and talked about on every single Gosselin blog on the web. They copy and paste posts and have conversations daily on every single thing that is written here. That is a fact. It's incredibly hard yet important for me as the site owner to only post what I want my readers to see. Disagree or not, it's moderated heavily. But those that don't agree do not realize that the hate sites do the exact same thing. GWOP will delete more than they prinmt if you are not 100% hating on something regarding this family.
ReplyDeleterkc~ Boy you said a mouthful. And I always appreciate your posts. Schmecky's posts have been printed for a long time out of respect not only to her, but her views. (Apparently she has become an idol of sorts at the hate sites as the "only one that got in"). She is printed here because she can, while others do not, say her view without attacking the family or Kate directly. She doesnt have to agree or like her, but she is one of only a few people I let post here because of this. On another site a fan is ripped to shreds. Here I give someone the chance to walk to fine line and see if they can speak the way I feel is appropriate for my blog. Is it like a playground? Absolutely. But I have always felt that that you can go somewhere else (and have many to choose from) if your not happy.
Just because this is a fan site, it doesn't mean you have to share my view, only learn how to express yours the way MAMA likes it (lol;)
I'd like to add that even though I am a new poster I have lurked for a long time....I used to watch this show all the time but I just don't anymore with all the drama. It's not the same...plus I just don't have the time to watch TV that much anymore....any show. I rely on this site and others to keep me up to date on the "talking points". Sometimes though, you just have to jump in. :)
ReplyDeleteI think Kate mentioned the ring at all was because the question caught her off guard (and she's allowed to dream.)
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl, we're not going to see eye-to-eye over Jon, so I'll just skip over those comments. You are certainly entitled to be so solidly in his camp defending him. In my heart, I'm glad somebody can defend him. I'm still at the point where I'd like to wring his neck or help him back into therapy. And hey, something I didn't think I'd hear from you: you almost gave Kate a solid compliment for last night's show. Someday before I die I'm sure I'm going to hear you give her a compliment and just leave it there without qualifying it. ;)
Moving on -
We're all going to have to let the courts decide. Hopefully Kate can now go back to not commenting on it. I think Kate knew she was going to have to have her attorney go to court because of the money from the household account. I also think she was at a point where she had to bring it out first or Jon's attorney would have said something to the effect of "Hey, Jon's asking for arbitration and counseling and Kate slaps him with actions taken to the judge." I really do think Jon probably removed the money based on what his attorney told him to do (that's based on previouscourt records where Jon's atty. lost his license for telling clients to drain their joint accounts so they could pay their legal fees.)
Regarding the Status of Liberty trip thing. Yes, I am sure Kate will eventually make that trip, probably accompanied by friends. The point was that it was planned for last weekend and the kids had been told. In three days the sign went up, filming stopped, money is gone, checks bounce and she cannot take them that weekend on the trip they'd been told about. Sometimes it's hard to get friends to fill in, money arranged, etc. on a couple of days notice. She had to tell them and I'm sure there was wailing and disappointment.
With the bank accounts, would you really know exactly how much is there?. Hmm...? I use our household money market account to pay bills. That happens at the beginning of the month with a transfer to checking to cover what we need. I don't go back to that account and check again unless there's something catastrophic. I've checked the balance, paid the bills, and that's it until the statement comes. Kate "thought" she knew how much was there, but had no idea other money had been removed from it.
With the attorney situation, I think Kate has gone in the right direction (again IMHO). You use family law certified attorneys for divorce, criminal law certified attorneys for civil suits, real estate attorneys to buy houses, etc. Would you have your general doctor do your heart surgery if you had a heart attack or brain surgery if you had a stroke or aneurysm? No, you'd use a specialist.
Personally, I think it's great that Kate is taking a few days away. No longer than it is, the kids will do fine. She has to be the strong one for the kids, "Can Do Kate", and with the devastating shocks she's been through she needed another day to get herself back on the track.
Go Kate! You can Do IT!
Go Jon!...and get yourself together. We can all only hope that one day you get on a consistent, even keel.
BabyMama, hope you are feeling better and the cold meds are working.
ReplyDeleteLinda~ Love your posts as always ;)
ReplyDeleteMy whole family was sick at one point and I'm the last to go through it. Everyone I know is sick..wash your hands everyone! Called out of work today, house was a mess and Mom is coming to check on the kids so the place must be presentable..you know how it is...all mothers feel they can raise your kids better than you!
I must admit that I thought it was funny last night when Nancy Grace was talking and attorney Heller jumped in and said, "Nancy Grace you are trying to try Jon Gosselin in the court of public opinion."
ReplyDeleteIn LKL, attorney Heller made comments about Kate. LKL said then why don't you go to court (I think Kate's attorney echoed the same sentiments.) Attorney Heller jumped in and said, "We ARE in court right now, the court of public opinion."
So, last night I expected Nancy Grace to pipe in with one more thing but she didn't. She frequently in the past has made a comment herself something to the effect of "You only try cases in the court of public opinion when you know you can't win them in a court of law."
BabyMama, take it easy. I do know exactly what you mean about mothers. My mother used to think I just needed to use more discipline, organization of the cabinets, hugs, you name it...I wasn't quite getting there. I'm kinda anal like Kate (even my spices and vegetable cans used to be in alphabetical order in the cabinets but I still didn't measure up, lol.)
ReplyDeleteI had to have some unexpected surgery so mother said, "Well I'll just come and stay. It isn't that hard and after all I've reared children." When I got home, she'd had two of her friends drive up to help. She said, "Oh my merciful, God. It's so hard with multiples, you can't even just go do something like a simple grocery store run without planning it out for days! You turn around and what you organized a minute ago looks like a bomb went off and that's with 'good' kids!" It's been years, my youngest twins are in the 5th grade and our family still laughs about that. And now, my mom compliments my housekeeping no matter what condition the house is in. My mom can still make me feel guilty with the best of them, but she's learned to hand out a lot more praise.
Babymama, I appreciate you allowing posts through that offer different view points. I personally think you can be a fan of Kate w/ out agreeing w/ everything she says and does. I feel uncomfortable every now and then when the Jon bashing gets vulgar with the swearing and stuff because what I appreciate about this site so much is the lack of hatred for either person. On the other site the hatred is so full and I personally haven't read there in so long but I remember from when I did. I don't ever totally agree with Jon or Kate but I do consider myself a Kate supporter w/ out as other people have said blindly supporting Kate and feeling she can do no wrong. You can't please everybody and neither of them wil ever be able to do that. We all interpret the things that they do differently. Anyway, thanx BabyMama for the great site and all the work you put into it!
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The reason I take issue with Kate and her Today show performance is as follows:
She can and should continue to keep a roof over the kids heads and food on the table, she has made enough money to do so. For her to insinuate that Jon took all but the last thousand dollars of the family fortune is dishonest.
And I stand by my earlier statement: Since Jon publicly said he wants the kids OFF the air, it's been one distraction after the other by Kate and her army of PR people. Look at what we're discussing: not whether or not those poor kids deserve some privacy at this stressful time. No. Instead, we're discussing Jon taking "Kate's money", and it has yet to be proven if her statements on the Today show were factually correct. Distraction. Kate's a pro.
I don't blame her for wanting to keep the show going; it's good money. I've defended Jon but I've had enough, they are BOTH acting like spoiled brats. I really can't relate to Kate, she has no idea what it's like to struggle in this world. Seeing as that's my own opinion, I believe I'm entitled to it.
I agree with Schmeckygirl, I don't understand why some people refuse look at both sides of the story.
If Jon does a charity event, some of you would attack him for it just because you hate him.
Schmecky is really the only person who can criticize Jon AND Kate with an even hand, I've seen her do it. If you think she simply on Jon's side, you aren't reading carefully. If you think she hates Kate, you are blinded by your own Kate worship. She has criticized them BOTH for their actions. Not just because of who they are.
This blog is like a playground sometimes, why do people attack the words of fellow posters, it's so mean.
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Again, I disagree...Why do people take what Kate says so literally. It's like saying that you are not feeling well and someone asks you, "How are you feeling?" and you say "I am dying"...Does it really mean that you are dying? I mean come on now.
Jon took almost the last dollar, out of THAT Bank Account and that is a lot of money. PLAIN and SIMPLE.
And Kate is a pro at Distraction???You have to be kidding me...Have you watched the interviews with Jon and his attorney. That whole charade of playing it out in the "Court of Public Opinion", now wanting to take the kids off the show, because NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN it's harmful to the kids. TALK about DISTRACTION and anyone that does not see through his actions has to be blind. He says, "his actions speak louder than words"...Well you bet they do and we all hear him LOUD AND CLEAR...
You say that you cannot relate to Kate because "she doesn't know how it is to struggle in this world." Are you kidding me? Up until a few years ago, what do you thing she was doing? Was she destitute, no? but for you to insinuate that she does not know struggle is just dumb.
I came from nothing; I have worked my butt off to try, along with my husband, to provide for my children. We struggle, especially in this poor economy, and have to do without at times. Saying all that, I am not a Kate lover, but I do not begrudge her a single thing and I totally relate to her. She finally has some sort of financial security, after having her children, and now her IDIOT husband, who would not be able to pull out hundreds of thousands of dollars, if it was not for her, is making her life miserable.
And I look at both sides of the story; however, at this time, I cannot agree with anything that Jon is doing. He has betrayed Kate in every way possible and he wants everyone to look away, because he has had an "epiphany" so he says. How convenient.
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion and that is mine.
3KMom~ Thanks for the constant support! I don't unsterstand how it's ok for a hate site to never allow a fan or a different point of vew. But yet this fan site was never allowed to be just as one sided. I had to let all opinions on even though they differed from my point of view? When has a Kate fan even been able to have a conversation at any of those places and not leave sites unscathed? I never understood why I couldn't just have my blog be the other side of the fence so to speak.
ReplyDeleteBut I feel that I have done a great job here keeping it the way all blogs should be.... :)
The court papers are up on Radar and they pretty much spell it all out as it pertains to this one bank account and the withdrawals. I am almost embarrassed to read such personal stuff, but I think that it backs up Kate's claims.
ReplyDeleteAnd I keep on forgetting...I hope that you are feeling better... :)
ReplyDeleteSince Jon & his lawyer is doing everything they can to repair his image in the court of public opinion, just as in a real court, they can be assured that no one has to have absolute proof of any allegations on either side; just conclusions based on reasonable doubt.
ReplyDeleteIf all the evidence in these past several months were laid out; actions caught on camera, witness, timetable, etc., any reasonable persons can conclude that there is enough evidence out there to convict Jon of moral ineptitude; that he is not nor can be trusted to be a stable, morally upstanding nor credible person.
So since didn't discover until recently, from August 10 that Jon had incrimentally made withdrawals of $230K from the account. It's apparent that she trusted him too much to abide by the arbitration rules and assumed she didn't have to keep an eye on the account on a frequent basis; she assumed that if he abided by the terms she would have enough money for all the bills.
ReplyDeleteI hope for the kids sake she and the judge bury him.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, rkc for the comments your wrote regarding the lack of respect here for people's opinions! I must have written and deleted about half a dozen posts because I was pretty bummed at how people have been reacting to the opinions of others, yet in the end I just figured saying something would cause more drama.
ReplyDeleteI had pretty much typed the same thing about Schmecky and how she is one of the few people that can talk about either party with equal consideration. I think if Jon does something wrong, then call him out on it. If Kate does something wrong, you should also call her out on it and the same is true if either party does something good. The problem is that most people refuse to see (at least these last few months) ANY valid thing Jon does or ANY wrong thing Kate does. It isn't fair. Personally, I have said enough negative things about Jon lately to last a lifetime because I recognize that his actions deserve those comments. That being said, it doesn't mean that Jon can't ever be capable of doing something right or having a valid point about things and that is what some people here don't understand.
The bottom line is, is it so hard for people to have a conversation with each other without becoming insulting and nasty? Lately there doesn't seem to be much tolerance for any opinion that doesn't make Jon look like Satan himself. People are entitled to their opinions of course, but please stop to consider that there could actually be two sides to a story. Just because Jon very inarticulately puts his opinions out there while Kate doesn't say anything at all doesn't automatically mean that Kate is always right by default. Maybe she doesn't say things because she doesn't want her crap to come out. Did anyone ever consider that? I mean, don't get me wrong, I am not trying to make a case for Jon because Lord knows he has made his fair share of bad decisions but just because Kate sits by and keeps her mouth shut doesn't mean she has automatically done nothing wrong. Somehow this marriage fell apart and I don't think the blame rests on one set of shoulders.
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ReplyDeleteRegarding the whole money thing, I was furious with Jon for having taken all the money in the account too but after I found out the other details such as the fact that the amount in question was off by a lot, or that Kate herself has several large withdrawls that she won't account for where Jon has the proof (so he claims) regarding his transactions, or even that Kate has several accounts, it made me stop and at least CONSIDER that there may be two sides to this and that we as the fans are not privy to every piece of information so how can we sit there and dismiss the allegations against Kate as easily as we believe the ones about Jon? That is what I think the difference is between someone like Schmecky and several other posters here. At least she stops to consider that there may be something more than meets the eye and last time I checked that is not the same as bashing Kate or defending Jon. It's called thinking rationally instead of emotionally. I wish we could all do this.
I also have to disagree with something Raelin said about people here having strong opinions but not being rude and name calling. With all due respect, there have been several incidents where people's comments have not just been "strong". There have been words thrown around albeit in general that people who defend Jon are idiots and the like and someone also said something about people having rocks in their heads when they tried to make a point for Jon. Come on, you don't call that insulting or name calling? It doesn't always have to be the F word to hurt you know. Any instance where you address someone's thoughts in a mocking fashion is hurtful and sometimes just the tone of the sentence is enough and incidentally, Schmecky is right when she says that while she has disagreed with many people, she has never insulted or called another poster a name. She has always respectfully put her thoughts across - at least in the time I have been here.
I think all our opinions are valuable and if it is true that the hate sites feast on what is said here, then why give them the satisfaction of ripping each other to shreds like this. We are far more civillized than those haters, aren't we?
I do agree, the arbitration documents that Kate put out there do show that $230,000 was withdrawn from the bank account specified, and that the remaining balance is just over $1,000. I would be more convinced if the documentation were an actual statement, or in statement format (i.e. electronic printout), as opposed to an email. I'm not saying the email is inaccurate, just informal. It will be interesting to see/hear how Jon defends this. He will have to explain in court, even if he does not own up to anything in the "court of public opinion."
ReplyDeleteI won't go so far as to say that he should have zero access to that account. The court documents also say that this account is where their TLC paychecks are deposited. That money is both of theirs, or at least it was until Jon halted the filming. He should be able to draw out his portion for his own personal living expenses, just as Kate should be able to do for herself.
They both are required to deposit $7500 monthly into the MAIN household "bill paying" account (mortgages, utilities, groceries, etc.) Where would that come from for either of them if not from the account that TLC paychecks are deposited into.
And sorry, but I do still feel that Kate exaggerated the situation. The money market account was for their larger, periodic expenses (tuition, taxes, etc.) while their primary "roof over their heads/food in the children's bellies" account was the one in which they both deposit that $7500 amount monthly. So yes, if she says she cannot feed the kids, then that is an exaggeration.
But it does not look good for Jon, if Kate's more detailed records clearly show that Jon withdrew those specific amounts on those specific dates that were listed in the email from the bank rep. And who else could it be? If so, well, I think he'll quickly be found guilty in the "court of public opinion" as well as in a court of law.
I'd rather not be reading all of these sordid details. Yes I'll read them because they are out there. Simple curiosity. But that doesn't make it right. I stand by my opinion that they BOTH should shut up, go home, be with their kids. Let the lawyers fight it out, and tell us all about it later. Much much later. I am glad that they are not filming.
This is just a PS to my comment a little while ago regarding the documents Kate filed in court against Jon charging contempt of court (amongst other things). Just noticed that Jon filed his answer to those charges along with a counter claim against Kate, which cites her in contempt of court. The documents are not published as Kate's were (Radar on Line), just listed in the Montgomery Court Docket website. I personally don't think either of them should be releasing such documents to the public. They filed in Montgomery County specifically because they seal divorce documents, as opposed to Berks County where the docs are a part of the public record. I won't speak too soon in praise of Jon's actions for NOT releasing his though; the night is still young, he could still push forward in this ridiculous court of public opinion forum. They should both be keeping all of these details private.
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ReplyDelete1. Kate was supposed to give Jon internet acces to all the bank accounts.. So he was telling the truth about it on the insider. Not so he make transactions, but just to see the activity. She has not done that yet,
2. The letter from the bank is informing Kate that they did make the transfer from her other account and it sounded like he would put back the fees. So all her returned check are covered and with money she had.
So on The Today Show all that bs about not having money to pay the bills and buy food, was a big crock.
Jon mention about the 2m that she recieved for the book deal. I guess he never got paid. too bad, you snooze, you loose.
Another point, if she can transfer money from one to another that means there are more liquid funds available. What a mess!
Baby Mama, I hope you and your family are feeling better.
This is what I said:
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"Jon was pretty much stuttering over his words. Nancy Grace said it perfectly, everything goes back to "Jon". EVERYTHING, the money that he spends on himself, the NY apartment, the expensive cars, EVERYTHING and anyone who thinks differently has rocks in their heads.
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$230,000 was withdrawn in a matter of weeks, for what? Maybe what I said was strong, but I stand by what I said, and I apologize if anyone was insulted by it.
I have said over and over again, I am not a Kate lover, but I have know too many "Jon" types in my day and he is selfish and self-absorbed.
another mom, thanks for your words above.
ReplyDeleteOh and I did see the court documents, too. Looks like the account Kate uses to pay for food and day to day expenses is NOT the one Jon withdrew money from.
On the today show, she stated otherwise, and I felt led to believe he took out a lump sum to basically make it impossible for her to put food on the table. Didn't she think the truth would come out? I don't get it. What he did was appears to be bad, simply because it went against a prior agreement. But it almost seems like a mix-up or a simple misunderstanding. She didn't have to try and make it look worse, by lying about how bad it was! It was already bad enough!
There are definitely two sides to this story. I think Jon is telling the truth about being locked out of the room where Kate keeps the records and paper trail; I noticed a room with a lock on it during the episode Monday. Everyone needs money to live on, Lord knows Jon knows how to spend money, and perhaps he had no other account to draw from. I do not know the truth, I only know Kate's side of the court papers, Jon's are still private thus far.
I think the problem is, tempers tend to flare here on this website because people feel like Kate is basically a close friend, or even family.
It is natural to defend your family without even giving it a second thought (for some people). But Kate isn't family.
Sometimes, I think fans view this like a sporting event. "Go Kate go" is something repeated over and over, as though her fans are rooting her on for what...victory? But she isn't a team, so I can't support her like one.
One things for sure; the Gosselin children are in need of support from their parents. I am not speaking of financial support, as they have more socked away than most people. I am talking emotional support. I hope they do right by their children, and realize what's most important.
Today is the twins' birthday, I believe? I hope their parents shut off their phones for awhile. Sad.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MADY AND CARA!
ReplyDeleteI HOPE THEY HAVE A SPECIAL DAY WITH THEIR DAD. ALSO, I HOPE THEY ENJOYED THE CONCERT WITH THEIR MOM.
HUGS & KISSES TO YOU GIRLS.
I haven't been home much so I haven't heard the latest and haven't seen the Nancy Grace interview or the second Insider. I did see a small clip of NG and I hate when she asks a question and then interrupts and won't let the person answer. She steamrolls over people. I also think she was trying too hard to be "Nancy Grace", the persona.
ReplyDeleteKatherineDenise, no problem. No hard feelings here. Obviously we only see what the TLC and paps show us but I personally don't recall seeing Kate take all of the kids anywhere without the TLC camera crew, except for a local park with a friend. And I think that's great. That's what she should be doing. Grab a friend or a nanny/helper and take the kids places without the cameras.
Thanks everyone else that understands me and my viewpoints.
Thank you Baby Mama for being so great about this whole "Jon" debate on your blog and appreciating some different viewpoints. Idol?? LMAO!!! Yeah, I'm a legend in my own mind. I had no idea there were other blogs out there besides GWOP until I recently started getting "Anonymous" comments on my blog from some of them. One J&K blog is enough for me!
I think Jon is scrambling for money which is why he turned the twins birthday into a circus. I don't know if it is because 1) he knows he will need to return the money he withdrew; 2) he needs to come up with money for the lawyer; 3) TLC will no longer being paying his $5000/month rent.
ReplyDeleteHe "sold" the birthday party story to ET and built up the drama around to gin up interest. It has been reported that Entertainment Tonight ordered the cake (hence why Mady's name was mispelled). Jon shared Kate's email message and then built it up to be "she doesn't want me to see my kids on their birthday." Jon encouraged the paps to be at the bus stop and the home all day. It was reported that he was going to have the kids play outside so the paps could get there shots. Jon talked about it being World War 111.
I was happy that Kate did not play into his hand. She was cordial to him, did not make a scene, and let him stay until bedtime. Good for Kate on that one.
These 2 people are still being media fools. I say both because it takes 2 to keep a marriage working. Jon wanted to stop the show but Kate said the show must go on and it did at the expense of her family. Many people raise their kids with love, not trips, brand name clothing and the new and latest toys, examples, the crooked houses, many kids have enjoyed tree houses and play houses that they helped to build with a parent, all the free trips, will these kids now enjoy a simple school trip.
ReplyDeleteNeither of these 2 people should have had kids, if they did not want to work to support them, other then having their every private moment displayed on TV for all their peers to see. Both of these parents have lied and used the press and media for their own purposes, so basically they are 2 of a kind. The show should have been renamed 2 greedy people who pimped their kids.
I also believed TLC has played a very big role in tearing this family apart for their own ratings, they were sure quick to portray Kate as a nagging shrew, Jon as a poor passive man, trying to keep Kate happy,,,now that has turned around and bit them on the bum. TLC sees this as collateral damage nothing more. Time for TLC to move on and repeat the same disaster onto the next family.
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