UPDATED: LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- After four years of "Jon & Kate Plus 8," Jon Gosselin said he's decided it's not healthy for his children to be on a reality show. Jon Gosselin appears on "Larry King Live" Thursday. He said he doesn't want his kids to continue with TV show.(Just in case there was any doubt about the state of the dissolving union between Jon and Kate Gosselin, Kate made her feelings perfectly clear when she ripped down a sign Jon had hung on the gate to their home.)
Jon Gosselin's threats to have the production of Kate Plus 8 halted will fall on deaf ears, Kate Gosselin's attorney, Mark Momjian, said on the Today Show Friday. (See video be
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The attorney said that Jon is at fault for the couple's lack of communication regarding the latest development. Momjian said the 34-year-old reality TV mom "really does want to engage Jon, it's just that he's not engaging her back. And that's really regrettable in any custody case. "She doesn't know which Jon is going to show up -- he's obviously different people at different times," the attorney said.
Jon & Kate Reach Informal Custody Deal: Radar.comJust when you thought they couldn't agree on anything, Jon and Kate have reached an informal deal on child custody. But don't even entertain the thought that this will diminish the intensity of their ongoing war because Kate is going on NBC's Today Show on Monday and she will strongly address Jon's recent comments and allegations. A source close to the situation says that Kate is furious over what she calls "the lies" Jon has been telling. And she's determined to expose those lies publicly.
Meanwhile, through all the acrimony lawyers have worked out custody dates for each parent. Nothing is signed and the deal could still blow up but it is a small step of progress in dissolving the marriage.Kate is determined to end the marriage as quickly as possible, despite Jon's public statements that he wants to slow down the divorce and improve communication. "Kate doesn't believe a word of it. She thinks he's doing it all for publicity."
Meanwhile, through all the acrimony lawyers have worked out custody dates for each parent. Nothing is signed and the deal could still blow up but it is a small step of progress in dissolving the marriage.Kate is determined to end the marriage as quickly as possible, despite Jon's public statements that he wants to slow down the divorce and improve communication. "Kate doesn't believe a word of it. She thinks he's doing it all for publicity."
Jon told TLC that the network may no longer film his children. He says the show is detrimental to the well being of his kids. Critics point out that at the end of July, Jon said his kids love filming the show and called a relative's claims that the show was bad for them "ridiculous." Larry King Live played the RadarOnline.com clip and confronted Jon with his own words on the show Thursday night. TLC has suspended taping the show while Jon's lawyers promise/threaten to go to court and shut it down. The network recently announced it was changing the show's name from Jon & Kate Plus 8 to Kate Plus 8. Jon is still under contract to the network and some sources say the war between TLC and Jon is about to get much worse!
Kate's Lawyer Speaks Out This Morning On The Today Show
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"The reason I don't think it's healthy for them is that we're going through a divorce right now, and I don't think it should be televised ..."
ReplyDeleteSO GET OFF TELEVISION YOU JACKASS.
I predict that the child labor review board will (again) state that there are no violations of child labor laws and allow filming of them to continue. There is also no precedent to establish or prove that filming them causes them detriment. There is only speculation that it might, but no proof. Judges don't hand down decisions based on pure speculation.
ReplyDeleteI think this has gone way too far. I don't think the kids should be on tv anymore, I think its time for them to be without the cameras and Kate can do a different show without them. I could care less about Jon. I mean, dont get me wrong, I want him to be a part of their lives and be their dad, but, he could go and do whatever the hell he wants. Kate said she was doing this to support them, well now she has other offers regarding jobs without the children involved so now its time for her to move on to another scenario.
ReplyDeleteI am 100% for Kate and the kids she just needs to move on to something different! I'll watch whatever show she does:)
Interesting...Mark J Heller says the contract is void because J&K had no representation and no attorneys. That may have been true in season 1, however, J&K HAVE had representation by Media Motion International for 3 years. The last few months, Jon switched to Mike Heller at Talent Resources. So, I don't really think that argument is valid.
ReplyDeleteIMO, Heller is a media hog. He's a criminal attorney by background, I believe he represented Son of Sam and others. I think Jon met Heller when Kate2.0 took him to Lohan's in the Hamptons. (Heller represents Lohan. And Lohan is the one who reported in the Hamptons that Jon and Kate2.0 "are very affectionate and sharing a room." This is whom Jon is choosing for a business partner and friend?)
You can say you've had an "epiphany" all you want. I truly hope you have, Jon. But which story are we to believe? Which version is accurate? IMO you really can't say "I made mistakes and that's irrelevant." Every thing you do is relevant. That would be like saying I stole this money but I'm sorry now so it's irrelevant. Are you sorry, or sorry you got caught?
I think the Hellers (father and son) are just using Jon.
On another note, Hailey has an interesting Tweet this morning. She posts "Its time 2 move on.This drama has taken over my life, nevermind the entire world.So beyond stressful.Like living in a state of paranoia!" (The spelling errors are hers.) Then she posts a YouTube Link to Rihanna's "Take a Bow." I wonder what the heck that means?
The lyrics to "Take a Bow" are:
Oooooh How about a round of applause
A standing ovation oooh yeah
Yeah,Yeah,Yeah,Yeah
You look so dumb right now
Standing outside my house
Tryin to apologize
You’re so ugly when you cry
Please, just cut it out
_[Chorus]_
And dont tell me you’re sorry cuz you’re not
Baby when I know your only sorry you got caught
But you put on quite a show
You really had me going
But now its time to go
Curtains finally closing
That was quite a show
Very entertaining
But its over now (But it’s over now)
Go on and take a bow
Grab your clothes and get gone (get gone)
You betta hurry up before the sprinklers come on
Talkin bout, girl, I love you, you’re the one
This just looks like a re-run
Please, what else is on
_[Chorus]_
And dont tell me you’re sorry cause you’re not
Baby when I know you’re only sorry you got caught
But you put on quite a show
Really had me going
But now it’s time to go
Curtains finally closing
that was quite a show
Very entertaining
But its over now (But its over now)
Go on and take a bow oooh
And the award for the best lie goes to you
For making me believe that you could be
Faithful to me
Lets hear your speech ohhh
How bout a round of applause
A standing ovation
_[Chorus]_
But you put on quite a show
Really had me going
Now it's time to go
Curtains finally closing
That was quite a show
Very entertaining
But its over now (But its over now)
Go on and take a bow
But it's over now.
Like I said, I wonder what that means? It sounds like Hailey is frustrated with the whole situation.
What is harmful to the kids is JON and HIS ACTIONS! The more he talks the more he does the more he harms his children! Yea right he had a thought after he got his balls chopped off at TLC! He got a snotty lawyer and thinks he can do whatever he wants well wake up Jon boy things are about to get even nastier! He has skeletons and they just keep coming out! When a man can't even put a sentence together without almost blowing a gasket the judge really isn't going to take you serious! Why in the world do you think Kate has been taking the high road and as much of an attitude/temper as she has she is smart enough to know what a judge will perceive as right and wrong! Time will tell how this will play out I just wish for once he would really think about his children!
ReplyDeletePlease remember that TLC is not a parent of these children...I know there are some HUGE Kate fan/followers here but Jon IS their father. I don't think painting Jon as an "opportunist" is fair considering TLC has the exact same motives and has the most to gain by keeping the cameras on those kids.
ReplyDeleteThis seriously needs to stop...I think Kate has enough "moments" of the kids caught on film for future use...considering that's the supposed reason she signed on in the first place...in her own words.
Those kids have had cameras shoved in their faces since they were babies,....like Jon or hate him...he is their father and he clearly loves them. If Kate craves the spotlight so much she needs to realize she's going to have to pull her own and stop relying on those kids. I'm sure that are opportunities out there for her.
Just my .02.
I have a couple of thoughts after having watched the Larry King interview of Jon Gosselin and his fancy schmancy lawyer. On the previous thread posting several people commented they hoped Kate would get a "pit bull lawyer" to go up against Jon's newly assigned Lawyer, Mark Heller. After watching Kate's lawyer, Mark Momjian, on Larry King, I think she has chosen the perfect representation. Don't worry about his abilities. Kate's lawyer was calm, very smart, and you could see he was kind of shaking his head in disbelief at all the nonsense spewing from those two. That's the real David and Goliath story here: Kate's small town honest smart lawyer goes up against hollywood fancy pants lawyer. I think he'll do great!
ReplyDeleteAlso - it was mentioned during the Larry King interview several times that Jon had been taping most recently as last Friday with the children. Jon seemed confused about that statement and said something like 'I don't know when Kate's schedule is to shoot with the kids. I don't know if they taped or not.' Then he said something about he didn't even know they were shooting that day and that he got a call out of the blue. Did anybody else catch that? So what really happened there? Was Jon really physically taping with the kids Friday OR was there taping going on Friday (with Kate),and because he hasn't objected he is said to have been in agreement. (So TLC can legitimately put out a statement saying that "as recently as Friday Jon was taping with the kids without incident"). I would like clarification because it shows who is really lying here. Is Jon lying or is TLC lying? I mean if Jon WAS really taping with the kids Friday and he's denying it, or trying to down play it, then that just shows that his erratic behavior continues! Jon keeps saying he's made mistakes and must learn from them and move on. Well I hope the "learning" part kicks in pretty soon for him.
I agree with Kate's Lawyer, Mark Momjian when he commented on Jon's demand to stop the taping of the show: "This is less about a change of heart and more about a change of strategy on Jon's part."
My computer froze while posting this. I think because Baby Mama was updating her blog. Hopefully this didn't come out as a double post:
ReplyDeleteHelen said...
Jon = male Britney
The more I learn about this, the more I'm convinced that Jon must be either bipolar or on drugs. His erratic self-destructive behavior, contradictory statements, bizarre and abrupt changes in appearance...
Perhaps he was always like this but personally, I can't see any woman falling in love with, much less marrying, a man like this...what do you all think?
I really hope, especially for the children's sake, that he surrounds himself with better people and gets some help. Initially, I just thought he was going through a midlife crisis/being a pig and hoped he'd get his comeuppance, but now it's just sad.
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I do not think Jon was always like this to this extreme. Earlier pics of him show him as a "bad boy" and he seems to live a very unstructured life before he met Kate.
I think maybe he did smoke some pot but probably nothing more than that. While I myself am against doing drugs and none of my friends do drugs, there are a lot of people that smoke pot socially. People you would never dream of. Reputable, normal, well-adjusted, good people. I'm not sure why but they do. And I'm speaking of people that do it "socially" not addicts or potheads.
I just don't see Jon as having psychological problems. I do think he has issues but I think they were brought on by his life on the show. I think Jon lost control of his life. He married a controlling woman (who admits such). He got himself into a situation that put his life, everything he says or does, under the control of a huge corporate entity.
I think Jon was acting out. He got fed up of being told what to do and, like a big kid, acted out.
Hopefully he really does look back at the past 6 months and sees what we all saw. He says he does. Hopefully that's true.
As for his bizarre and abrupt change in his appearance, I don't think his appearance has changed that much. I think they were just poor choices in fashion.
lucysmom said...
ReplyDeleteI predict that the child labor review board will (again) state that there are no violations of child labor laws and allow filming of them to continue. There is also no precedent to establish or prove that filming them causes them detriment. There is only speculation that it might, but no proof. Judges don't hand down decisions based on pure speculation.
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That could be true. I think maybe this time it might be a little different because now one parent is fighting it. Who knows who else will come out of the woodworks.
I'd just hate for them to continue the filming basing it on the fact there is no proof it is harmful to them. Of course there won't be any proof until it is too late. Why would they risk that? I don't understand. As for a precedent, what about the Dionne quints? I now the situation isn't exact but that is one example.
I think it's good it goes to court anyway. Whatever the ruling is, at least someone tried. Whether the children side with their mother or father, only time will tell.
Personally, I'd rather be the parent that tried to stop a show for the welfare of my children. At least that's what is on record as the reason.
Also, as far as Jon saying he made mistakes but has to move forward and didn't actually go into what his mistakes were, that's exactly what Kate said so why is it wrong when Jon says it? The only difference? He added "I apologize".
I think the kids look happy ans content on the show and in paps photographs. They were filmed going to a gymnastics class very recently and everyone was all smiles. I believe if the kids were genuinely complaining Kate would stop the show. The Larry King interview did not do much to help Jon in my opinion. You had an epiphany! Give a break! I think TLC probably has a iron contract. I don't think the little clause where it say if either of them feels it is bad for the kids production will be halted is going to cause the show to never resume filming. I think it should be up to whoever has custody at the time. This will go to court and may take good while before it is resolved. I thinj his little sign is childish as well. Your lawer sent a letter. You don't need a sign. Grow up Jon! I also think that his lawer has misinformation when he says that they don't have the proper permits. The labor department already investigated and found NOTHING. I t is going to be hard to prove that the show is detremental in a court. You need evidence, not feelings and speculation. I think the show will go on at some point and with the kids.
ReplyDeleteJon reminds me of a dog we used to have who would only bark and growl only when cowering behind one of us or something else he thought would give him some sort of security.
ReplyDeleteFirst it was Kate who had to tell him what needed to be done, then he listened to his groupies and Hailey, now his junk yard dog of an attorney who's pulling him on a short leash in order to repair the damage he caused himself.
Furthermore, Kate's attorney is right. Jon can't just unilaterally make the home and family decisions. If I were Kate, I certainly wouldn't let him without a fight.
ReplyDeleteBut I think in the end Jon will end up hurting financially and will be forced to sell his portion of the house to Kate.
Hailey clarified things in 2 Tweets.
ReplyDelete"People are losing whats actually important in life through all this drama, Like appreciating simple things, being *Happy, *Healthy, *Family!"
and
"No matter what I will always be there for Jon.Whether we are together or just friends, he will always have my family and my support."
(Again punctuation or lack thereof, is Hailey's. Maybe she's using an iPhone. Mine frequently changes words trying to help me out.)
Amazing. I just realized that Jon never mentioned loving his kids in the LKL interview. However, once things shifted to Hailey, he got all smiles.
ReplyDeleteI finally figured out what was bugging me most about Jon's interview- the parts where he kept saying he needs to be a man when he clearly has no idea what that really means. Being a man isn't saying, "Everyone makes mistakes" that's what all those disgraced governors and senators say and it's no more sincere then. "Everyone makes mistakes" is a cop out and is as phony as it can get.
ReplyDeleteBeing a man is not going on TV with a scummy lawyer; being a man isn't talking about your girlfriend; being a man isn't being aggressive any time Larry King asks a question; being a man isn't bulldozing other people's opinions so you can "take charge" of your family; being a man isn't playing games with your kids' futures.
The fact is Jon has no idea how to be responsible. Being angry and confrontational isn't responsible! Actually taking legitimate legal action is being responsible, and it's clear that Jon and his "lawyer" haven't done any of that.
"We know we're not going to be husband and wife, but we will always be mom and dad."
ReplyDeleteVery true. I hope they can get a mediator to straighten out some of this mess.
The children really do need to be off TV and out of the limelight.
I don't know whose attorney I thought was sleazier!!
Jon said it is time for him to grow up, stop being a kid and be a father, well then he needs to take responsibility for his actions and be accountable. And I am not talking about him "saying" that he is trying to do the best for his kids, I mean "do" it already!!
ReplyDeleteHe can not blame Kate or TLC or the statement that they did not have representation. Nor is it the responsibility of TLC to make arrangements or even suggest that the kids have accounts set aside...which Kate has done...not Jon!
Oh I am so disappointed in him, and could say SOOOO much!!!
And what happened 3.5 weeks ago for Jon and Kate to stop talking??? Did something happen?
It came as NO surprise that Jodi and Jon went running to each other. How can the Kreiders NOT see through this guy, I hope they can!
Kate must be just devastated. Jon's continued erratic behavior and now his little performance last night just further illustrates HOW much this man has changed.
October 2, 2009 2:26 PM
Get these kids off camera...let them mourn the loss of their family unit in peace...and let these parents realize what is really important in life again...their children and not the all mighty dollar!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWow, maybe the show should be taken off, mostly because Jon Gosselin is such a douche that I don't want him to have any kind of media exposure. Although, how exactly does Jon think he's going to support his children? Oh, that's right... he's drawing out his divorce from Kate, no doubt to make sure he gets a larger cut of her future earnings.
ReplyDeleteKate should get her own show, keep doing the public speaking and every once and awhile do a special with the kids. Jon can marry his girlfriend and let her parents support them. And heck, TLC, let him do his divorced dads club show, the sooner he develops a raging drug habit the sooner he'll be in jail and out of Kate's hair.
Sorry if I sound angry, I don't what it is about this man that brings out the violence...
I agree with Linda who said Larry was too easy on Jon! Maybe his mind was on the drama with David Letterman and so he wasn't concentrating on Jon. lol
ReplyDeleteI didn't buy what Jon was selling last night and I wasn't expecting to either. I don't see the sincerity of his intentions when you look at the timing of everything. Where was he all this time regarding the show being detrimental to the kids? So many times he very heatedly denounced claims that the show was exploiting the kids and even called it ridiculous. Why the sudden change of heart now? Is it really an epiphany or more like sour grapes over being demoted by TLC?
I hope he was serious about growing up and becoming a man though, it's about bloody time. I was also hopeful when he said that he wanted to apologize to Kate and try to work on his marriage but of course, all he wants to work on is pretending to be nice to Kate to get her to agree to end the show so he can get what he wants. He's just such a different person and it made me sick to hear him say he loves Hailey yet again. How can he even say that when every time you turn around he is with another woman?
To be fair, I though both lawyers made good points but Jon's lawyer killed his credibility when he kept saying that this is the court of public opinion. Give me a break, why should Jon be above the law? If he needs to get out of his contract, let him go through the courts like everyone else does. His lawyer insists that no judge in the land will keep the show running. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.
One thing I did agree with Jon's lawyer on was that Jon and Kate should sit down and try to work out their differences before getting in front of the judge. It will only benefit the kids to have the divorce go through as quickly and civilly as possible. Thinking about it, it would be counterproductive for them to go in now when they can't even speak to each other. They would be arguing over every little thing and the case would drag on unnecessarily anyway. Why not give them the time to sort through things between the two of them as it should be? Jon claims he wants to be friends with Kate. If given the chance, maybe that could happen. Wouldn't that only benefit the kids? Even if their parents are never going to be married again, at least it would be nice for them to see their mom and dad amicable with one another when they are in the same room. Better than having them spit insults left, right and centre.
I am just really disappointed in what has become of this family. Oh and I was surprised to hear Jon say they only got 22,500 per episode total. I am sick that the kids do not each get a specific amount for them per episode but then apparently TLC said that it is up to the parents to allocate the paycheck among their family. With the way Jon spends, no wonder he is mad that his role on the show got cut down. How ever will he buy Haylie the matching skull earrings to go with her ring now? I don't even know that I believe him on the amount he gave. With all the money TLC makes off the show, you'd think they'd give the stars a bigger paycheck by now. Something doesn't compute there.
Well, it will be interesting yet again to see how much deeper Jon digs himself in tonight's interview with ET. I wonder if there are any new developments.
By the way, whomever said Jon would have his lawyer beside him was right on, and not to toot my own horn, but I so called it when I said he would tell Larry that he regretted saying he despised Kate and that he didn't mean it and only said it out of anger. Soooo predictable!
Jon is probably right. I know that his laywer, Hailey, Jodi and Kevin, and other people I'm sure, are just feeding him all of his "proof" and emotions; but I think that he is right that they kids need to get off the show. If it had continued the way it did a few seasons ago, then I would think differently, but this has exploded into a giant catfight and the kids don't deserve to get caught in all of it. There is no way that the will be able to live their life "normally" after this! People will always recognize them. Can you imagine going to collage, getting a job, even just going to the grocery store? It will be a huge "You're (insert name) Gosselin!" fest. They are just kids, they don't know what's going on. They might say, "Yeah, I like filming." now, but they don't know what it will be like in the future!
ReplyDeleteAs the parents, it's Jon and Kate's job to do what's best for their kids. The way this is going, things certainly won't turn out good for them in the end if the show continues. I know that Kate will do anything for her kids. So I really hope that she wants to stop the show too. She is looking for finacial stability, but I think that with the Paula show, and Kate Project 2010 (if that even exists) she can manage fine. She has alway's had the kid's bests interests at heart, and I trust that she'll do what is best. Jon is an idiot (as we all know!) and I really am angery at him for everything that he's done to his family, but he's doing what we all know needs to be done. I don't care what his motives are, it has to happen for the sake of those 8 precious kids.
This is so ridiculous. Hey America- Jon says he's sorry, let's all be happy now. Ummmm no. The damage has already been done. Actions speak louder than words. This has nothing to do with those kids, it's all about Jon.
ReplyDeleteI think it's realllly shitty of Jon to shut down the show, KNOWING FULL WELL that is how the kids are supported, because obviously HE'S not doing anything to support them. But Kate will go on & do whatever, I will watch whatever she does, as will most of the fans of the show, and she wil continue supporting those children.
Good for you Jon! I like that you have come to you senses about being a grown up and a father.
ReplyDeleteNow how about negotiating a college education for your children instead of another motorcycle from TLC.
Very interesting info from Kate's Lawyer on The Today Show. Last night Jon's Lawyer said it was "a done deal" and that there was no way a Judge would allow the kids to be filmed if one parent said no.
ReplyDeleteBut at the 4:35 mark, it is discussed if this is the case. NOW they are saying it's just the opposite. Bacially it was already agreed that when Kate was with the kids, she had total authority & control if the kids were filmed or not. The same went with Jon. (Last night he brought up AGAIN how one day over the summer it was hot and the kids wanted to go in the pool. So he decided not to film that day). This agreement obviously took affect after the separation..
So if this is truly the case, how can Mr. Heller not know this? How can he get on TV Last night looking all high & mighty and think he has this wrapped up when there is so mach coming out now?
We will find out if this is the case sooner rather than later I'm sure. Did anyone see the photos of Jon getting out of a limo with two blonds and "Girls Gone Wild" guy Joe Francis? What do the Jon supporters think about THAT? That right before he's trying to look like a supportive father he's out looking like a pimp?
Well, isn't THIS interesting? Especially intriguing is that Jon wants his kids on the Divorced Dads Show. So it's okay for HIS show, but not for the other? How is this any different? If Jon really wants to be on a show, he should join Tool Academy... he'd fit right in! Read below, from Radar Online...
ReplyDeleteOut with the old, in with the new.
That seems to be the direction Jon Gosselin is taking as he plans his new TV show.
While his war with estranged wife Kate and the TLC network is raging, Jon is determined to push ahead with his new reality TV project, The Divorced Dads' Club.
The show, which would likely include Michael Lohan, is Jon's new focus and RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that he intends to make girlfriend Hailey Glassman a regular.
"Jon wants the show to feature the guys' girlfriends," a source familiar with the project told RadarOnline.com. "He's promised Hailey that she will be a big part of the show. The show will focus on each dad's life and Jon's life with Hailey will be a big part of it."
Jon has said he doesn't want TLC filming his children anymore and believes it is detrimental to them while he and Kate are divorcing. But the source familiar with the situation told RadarOnline.com that Jon wants to have his children on his new show!
Hailey, who just underwent breast surgery as reported by RadarOnline.com, has always wanted to be famous, sources tell RadarOnline.com. She tried out for MTV's Real World and enjoys the notoriety of being with Jon, despite sometimes public protestations. (On Friday she tweeted: "Its time 2 move on
But Hailey is actually enjoying her pseudo celebrity, the sources say, and very much wants to be on Jon's new show. And while she certainly doesn't have a weight problem, she's even talked about losing a few pounds to look thinner on camera!
Of course, before any of this happens there's the matter that Jon signed an exclusive deal with TLC and the network is not letting him out of it, even though they are changing the show name to Kate Plus 8.
A couple of things I'm thinking about after watching Jon's interview on Larry King.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, he sounded as though he was just repeating things someone had told him. He did not sound sincere or as though it was truly coming from his heart. To me, it sounded rehearsed.
And the other thing -- something he said at the end about not wanting the media attention and not wanting people to know all about them. It seems to me that the mere fact that they have twins and sextuplets puts them in the public eye. I would think that they would been subjected to interview requests and filming requests throughout their lives if they had not signed on with TLC.
Just my thoughts...
We really can't tell if the informantion Jon gave about the income is correct and the whole story because so much of what he says changes the next day. He did say on a later part of the radar online clip that Larry showed that the whole premise of the show was for them to put money in the kids' accounts and they always put money in the kids' accounts. Which is accurate, we do not know. If yesterday's statement was correct Jon must be deeply in debt just from his recent lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteJon wants to be on his divorced dads show and for Hailey to be on it with him and Michael Lohan. He needs out of his TLC contract to do this. He also seems to get great pleasure out of anything that takes control from Kate, so he can have the pants on. I also agree with Lucymom saying that Jon has to have someone else tell him what to think and say. If the issue was really about the filming, he could have at least tried to talk to Kate, get her to compromise, maybe stop filming for a few months so they can reevaluate what is best for the kids, or filed a motion in court, but that is not what he did. He also needs a scapegoat to be the causes of his poor decisions, Kate, TLC, the papparazzi who he loves to talk to. Who will it be tomorrow?
Unfortunately, there are no guarantees that either Jon or Kate's future projects will be as highly successful or last for more than a few seasons.
ReplyDeleteHowever, because of her "gift of gab" I'm certainly hoping that Kate's star shines long and bright. She has been and continues to be smart to plan her and the kids' long term financial future by taking advantage of all the opportunities she can while she can.
Sorry if this has already been said, but it was so obvious that Jon was coached and prepped for LKL. He kept repeating the same phrases over and over and more importantly, he sounded like he had read many of these blogs with his insincere "I have to grow up and be a man..." His apology to Kate was laughable and completely without feeling. This new lawyer, Heller, is clearly pulling the puppet strings. Compare his body language from his earlier interview with Chris--where he was practically leaping out of the seat with crazy eyes, and his latest interview with LK, where he is more composed. Someone has attempted to polish this image and most likely advised him to throw himself under the us so he could gain support from the public.
ReplyDeleteIf true about Jon wanting the kids on "Divorced Dads Club" (if, and only if, it even gets picked up by any network), after all this attempt at sabatoging "Kate + 8", he'd better not even try.
ReplyDeleteSo Jon apologizes to Kate (for his actions) via E! Tonight??? Who does he think he's kidding? He's only sorry his image is in the tank. Period. He's still with what's-her-name, and considering the timing, his so-called "apologies" are as empty and shallow as the grave he keeps digging himself into.
ReplyDeleteI agree, he talks about his "mistakes" (as he calls them) so incredibly flippantly and is quick to move on. The more he tries to rehab his image, the more insincere he seems.
ReplyDeleteI personally have trouble believing anything that comes out of this man's mouth now.
I'm glad the kids are not being filmed anymore. I'm pretty sure Kate will always find a way to provide for her children, so even if Jon's motives are suspect, maybe this is a good thing after all.
Jon didn't seem at all surprised with the question tonight about if he lost custody. He kind of just smiles and said he would have visitation and fight for his kids. I wonder if that is what is driving his behavior. Maybe he thinks that if he takes a politically correct stance like that filming is bad for the kids, the judge won't give Kate full custody. I am just glad that Kate has a good lawyer. He better not be thinking about putting them on his show if he gets it. Maybe he wants them on it because he knows people won't be interested in watching him.
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl said...
ReplyDeleteAs for a precedent, what about the Dionne quints? I now the situation isn't exact but that is one example.
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One example does not a precedent make. There must be enough of a sampling for any scientific studies to be considered accurate or substantive enough to establish cause and effect relationships.
Neither would I put the Gosselin 8 in the same boat as the Dionne quints. There are just way too many extraneous differences, one of which is that there were no paps following after the Gosselins until Jon baited the pap frenzy ever since he was first seen with college age girls in public and throughout his other antics.
I agree with Kate T. I just wonder if the kids might actually miss the filming. So much change in their lives right now. I am sure they see a change in their father too...
ReplyDeletewhat? new video of J looking at houses in LA, visiting many open houses on Thursday.
ReplyDeleteHis kids are his priority? RIGHT! He and Hailey deserve one another. Classless fame seekers.
I actually hope he does move to Cali....
He will have less daily influence on his kids if so.
From People:
ReplyDeleteKate Gosselin is sticking to business as usual. The reality star is planning a trip to New York next week – and will keep busy with a media appearance and a bit of socializing.
On Monday, Gosselin is scheduled to appear on the Today show to discuss the latest moves by estranged husband to halt filming of the show.
During her New York visit, Kate is also expected to attend a party Monday night at the Empire Hotel’s rooftop to celebrate her recent View co-host Sherri Shepherd’s new Lifetime sitcom, Sherri. The celebration will be co-hosted by Barbara Walters.
What about the sign with the misspelled words? Jon stated on LKL that he posted the sign, but surely he would spell his own name correctly. Something is fishy here.
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ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl said...
As for a precedent, what about the Dionne quints? I now the situation isn't exact but that is one example.
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One example does not a precedent make. There must be enough of a sampling for any scientific studies to be considered accurate or substantive enough to establish cause and effect relationships.
Neither would I put the Gosselin 8 in the same boat as the Dionne quints. There are just way too many extraneous differences, one of which is that there were no paps following after the Gosselins until Jon baited the pap frenzy ever since he was first seen with college age girls in public and throughout his other antics.
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. One example can be precedent expecially in a legal capacity. Also, it doesn't have to be exact. It can be similar.
As for the paparazzi it doesn't matter who brought them on. They are there now. That's all that matters in the big picture. They are in the children's lives now. So are the TLC cameras. I'm not sure why people feel there is a difference. Cameras are cameras. Still pictures or video, on the internet or on television or DVD these children's personal lives are out there for everyone to view.
Wow. So they both will be doing their media tours this week. Who will be with the children as they are both on national television discussing the welfare of their children?
ReplyDeleteAs much as I am intrigued and interested in listening to what they both have to say, I think they should leave their public statements to their personal lawyers. TLC should not be making statements on Kate's behalf. They should only respond to allegations regarding the show itself. Kate should have a personal attorney, as should Jon.
Regarding the children missing the filming. I can see that happening for a bit. Then again Kate said that they don't even miss their dogs that they adored for a year.
ReplyDeleteThey change nannies and babysitters a lot too.
I also think the actual TLC camera men and PAs have changed a few times anyway so they are probably used losing them too.
It will be sad if they do miss the cameras. Just because they are used to having them around though doesn't mean they are good. It may take them a while to adjust but hopefully not that long.
Besides, Kate and Jon can still videorecord them just like every other family in the world does. I know I just bought a new digital recorder. I record my girls all the time.
Personally, I think the girls will miss the staff more than the actual cameras, but they will adjust. Kate and Jon should just keep them busy and occupied and happy during the adjustment phase. They are still young and resilient. I hope.
I accidently posted this on the previous post so that is why I'm reposting it here:
ReplyDeleteOk I've been wanting to say this for a while but some of the outrageous comments that are appearing on this site seem like they belong on the "other" site. I came to this site because I saw that most comments were rational. Things like Jon should be locked up in a psych ward, he's bipolar, he's on drugs, custody should be taken belong on the "other" site. I felt this way when they were saying nasty things about Kate and whether or not any of us agree on issues relating to Jon, it's just going to the extreme and coming off as the loonies you see elsewhere.
As far as Jon being vague on his mistakes, that is really no different than I've seen Kate do. When they started doing the media rounds and everyone was asking Kate what she did in her part to hurt the marriage Kate never owned up to anything specifically either. I don't believe in double standards. Both Jon and Kate's actions speak for themselves. Kate is obviously better in the PR department and Jon has a slow learning curve in this area but Jon has his areas he (used to) in the court of public opinion do better at as well. I think there is ugliness on both sides and we aren't seeing half of what is really going on. Behind the scenes info would probably be unbelievably telling.
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ReplyDeleteWhat about the sign with the misspelled words? Jon stated on LKL that he posted the sign, but surely he would spell his own name correctly. Something is fishy here.
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Jon had it posted. He didn't print or post it himself.
Regarding Jon wanting to have his children on the show with him, I will reserve judgment on that when and if it happens. Right now it's a rumor by an unnamed source.
ReplyDeleteAs for Jon looking at open houses in LA, I believe that like I believe Kate was moving to Maryland. Maybe the person he was with was looking at the houses. We don't know. But if he is moving to LA then of course I will be just as outraged as everyone else.
Both Jon and Kate should live within commuting distance of the children. I vehemently disagree with Jon living 3 hours from his children now as it is. But that's a lot different than across the country.
From Radar.com:
ReplyDeleteOut with the old, in with the new. That seems to be the direction Jon Gosselin is taking as he plans his new TV show. While his war with estranged wife Kate and the TLC network is raging, Jon is determined to push ahead with his new reality TV project, The Divorced Dads' Club.
The show, which would likely include Michael Lohan, is Jon's new focus and RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that he intends to make girlfriend Hailey Glassman a regular.
"Jon wants the show to feature the guys' girlfriends," a source familiar with the project told RadarOnline.com. "He's promised Hailey that she will be a big part of the show. The show will focus on each dad's life and Jon's life with Hailey will be a big part of it."
Jon has said he doesn't want TLC filming his children anymore and believes it is detrimental to them while he and Kate are divorcing. But the source familiar with the situation told RadarOnline.com that Jon wants to have his children on his new show!
Hailey, who just underwent breast surgery as reported by RadarOnline.com, has always wanted to be famous, sources tell RadarOnline.com. She tried out for MTV's Real World and enjoys the notoriety of being with Jon, despite sometimes public protestations. (On Friday she tweeted: "Its time 2 move on
But Hailey is actually enjoying her pseudo celebrity, the sources say, and very much wants to be on Jon's new show. And while she certainly doesn't have a weight problem, she's even talked about losing a few pounds to look thinner on camera!
Of course, before any of this happens there's the matter that Jon signed an exclusive deal with TLC and the network is not letting him out of it, even though they are changing the show name to Kate Plus 8.
3KMOM! I said the exact same thing! Of course as soon as I hit Post Comment Baby Mama creates a new blog post and the discussion moves. LOL!
ReplyDeleteMy thought on that was... as far as Jon saying he made mistakes but has to move forward and didn't actually go into what his mistakes were, that's exactly what Kate said so why is it wrong when Jon says it? The only difference? He added "I apologize".
Hey guys! Sorry about shifting you all over to a new post, but I wanted to get the videos on and not add them to an already full previous post. I have a few things to add now that Jon is going to be dragged through The Insider a few more days to get more $$$. I will add all that here and not add another post once it becomes available. So come and stay a while!
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl said...
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but you are wrong. One example can be precedent expecially in a legal capacity. Also, it doesn't have to be exact. It can be similar.
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Sorry, but a precedent is a binding legal decision, not an example. An example is only a thing or situation of which some aspects might be compared to with another thing. Examples cannot always be the sole basis for legal decisions, perhaps helpful to some degree to make a point, but not the basis.
Secondly, it's not about the cameras, but about the parents.
This whole thing makes me very sad. I come from a divorced family but I'm proud of my parents. Both of them agreed to be civilized about everything for the sake of my sister and I. Neither one of them have ever said anything offensive, at least in front of us, about each other to us. So I know it's possible to be adults at a very young age. I also know, it's been benefical to my sister and I because it's taught us that no matter what situation you find yourself in, you must be kind to the other people involved. For some reason being kind goes a lot farther than being rude and forceful. You should try it!
ReplyDeleteWhy has it taken Jon this long to grow up? It's so strange to me. When you get married and have children, you have no choice but to grow up and be responsible. Quite frankly, I think Jon is digging himself a really big whole and causing a lot of damage to everthing around him.
In my opinion, neither one of them have stepped back and asked themselves: what are my children going to think of me when they get older, when they find out that we had a huge custody battle on international TV about us; why would they use our popularity to hurt each other; why is my dad sleeping with other women before my parents divorce is final; etc. The kids are going to have so many questions when they fully understand what happened to their parents.
Hmmm the difference in mistakes...Kates confessed to being controlling and grouchy..Jon won't even confess the truth that he slept with those girls even though he did! He won't confess that what is really harming his children is the fact that he is an uncontrollable little boy and that is what got the paps started on the family aka his children! Mistakes mistakes mistakes that's all Jon does I find bewildering that people are so keen to give him a benefit of the doubt when they damn well know what he is doing wrong! Come on people seriously can't keep saying oh well Kate didn't do this Kate blah blah blah they sound just as bad as Jon! You can put a pig in pretty clothes and train it but at the end of the day its still a pig!
ReplyDeleteI do have to say that Kate has done a very good job on holding herself together in the public eye. Seeing Kate's determination, she will figure out how to make sure her kids are taken care of. I do not think that she has been coached by TLC. Kate is very smart in what she is doing. I know she's documenting and keeping records of what is going on. Even though she has lawyers, she is making her case and it's going to be a strong one. GO KATE!!!
ReplyDeleteAs far as Jon's appearance on LKL, I think it made his situation worse. His lawyer is completely off his rocker by saying that they are at the court of public opinion. When it comes to law, public opinion doesn't make decisions and I'm pretty sure that it could possibly make things worse. I honestly think that Jon & Kate's relationship, married or unmarried, is beyond sitting down and talking to each other. It's going to take them getting past their selfishness before they can talk civilly.
Can someone tell me what type of law Jon's lawyer practices? It seems to me that he had an opinion about everything but no true evidence to back it up. This is why I can appreciate Kate's lawyer. He didn't try to falsely represent. He stayed within the divorce lawyer's boundaries.
I have mixed feelings about going on with the show. As we all know, it's reality TV, so the kids are playing like they would if no cameras were there. Yes, there are small interviews and yes they talk to the cameras but it's not that big of a deal for the kids. If anything, the adults would be able to see themselves on the reruns and change the things they don't like. Kate has even said before that Mady has seen herself be mean to her siblings and she decided to try to be more kind. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they tape that often.
I understand that the Duggar Family isn't going through a divorce, but what about the them? Are they exploiting their kids by taping them for international TV? I'm pretty sure TLC knows what they are doing as far as child labor laws are concerned.
Please step away from the haterade. No one on this blog felt this way about Jon before he started acting erractic and self-destructive, contradicting himself every day, and behaving recklessly with women while he was home with the kids. We didn't dislike him when he was successful. We won't dislike him if he gets his stuff together.
ReplyDeleteThere is a big difference between this blog and another and I don't appreciate anyone trying to lump us into the same category or take us to that level while we are here. I won't be baited into making another comment about this.
SchemeckyGirl I don’t understand how saying that bad behavior is okay as long as you say it’s a mistake and you apologize.
ReplyDeleteI tell my children that you may have the greatest excuse in the world but it is still an excuse.
Kate was bitchy to Jon and she said it was a mistake (IMO that's not okay). How many women does Jon get to associate with (while not yet divorced) and still get a pass?
I think the show needs to be stopped. They can both move forward with other ventures. But Jon waiting to postpone the divorce is not moving forward (a word he likes to throw out there).
I liked that Jon said on LKL that he needs to grow up and be a father. But in his letter to TLC he was more concerned with the OCC chopper. Why wasn’t the letter about money specifically for the children? I want some follow through with Jon, how about setting an example in your actions and words.
On Monday Jon faces the camera and apologizes to Kate for everything he has done in the continuation of his interview with Mary Hart of ET. Could this be any more contrived???? I agree with all those who said that he looked coached on LarryKL. There was even one part where something was being said that he didn't agree with and he almost started jumping out of his seat to interject when his lawyer put his hand on him to signal him to be quiet. I think if it were up to him, he would tell TLC to F off, he would tell the media to F off and he would tell Kate to F off. I think everything he is doing right now is strictly for damage control and to avoid losing custody of his kids and therefore any newfound control he has discovered.
ReplyDeleteI think that he and Hailey both alluding to the fact that they will be friends even if they are no longer together is also a crock. I think he and Hailey have no plans to break up at least right now but are trying to make it seem like they will put aside their relationship for the good of Jon's family.
I also think the whole putting an end to the show thing was not his idea but his lawyer's. I think the minute he hired this guy, he probably freaked out on Jon about how he can sit by and let his kids continue to be filmed with no proper compensation or representation. I think this whole filming thing bothered the lawyer more than it ever did Jon. Jon used to whine about being on the show himself and being unhappy because his life was not his own anymore but he never mentioned his kids. The only thing he ever said was in response to exploitation allegations regarding the kids and he said that if they ever say they don't want to film anymore then the show will be done. Well, where was his realization that the show might be detrimental to them at that time? The only thing I can somewhat understand is when he said that back 4 years ago he didn't know what he was doing and had no representation. While it is never an excuse to enter into a contract without thoroughly understanding the terms, I can see where this financially unstable family who now had 10 mouths to feed every day would be dazed by the opportunity of having a steady income big enough not to have to worry anymore about how they would support this family. It has happened to a lot of people and when you have nothing, you don't stop to think that the network is making hundreds of millions off you while only giving you chump change in comparison. I am sure whatever amount they were offered per episode seemed HUGE to them at the time as well as all the freebies involved. They probably figured they had it made. Now that he has become accustomed to having money, he notices that it is not enough anymore.
Also, the way he keeps saying that he is empowered now and that as a father who shares Joint Shared Custody he has rights etc. etc. is so obvious that he has been told all this by his lawyer. I can just imagine all these people (Lawyer, Jodi and Kevin, Hailey etc.) telling Jon that he has rights and that he needs to take charge now.
... part two of post coming (couldn't keep it short enough as usual)...
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ReplyDeleteI had to laugh about the comment someone made that Jon probably reads these blogs where people are telling him to grow up and be a man. Yes, I noticed too that he uses the same language as bloggers do when referring to himself. LOL It's too funny and yet too sad. He is just scrambling all over the place and it seems like no matter what he tries to do, he just keeps making everything worse.
What business did he have with sleazy Joe Francis and two blondes if he was really trying to make up for all the bad decisions he has been making the last few months? If anyone was even considering giving him the benefit of the doubt about his vow to change and learn from his mistakes, their confidence in him would surely be shattered already.
What is sad is that when all the vultures around him are done picking his bones, they will discard his carcass and move on to the next poor sucker they find. How sad that he will have lost the only person that would have stuck by him through life and I don't mean Haylie!
Unfortunately things could have been very different. He could have tried to work on things with Kate. Yes, I totally agree that Kate didn't treat him very well throughout their marriage. She was harsh and at times cruel in the way she ridiculed him in public but deep down I know she loved him. I still don't know who really ended the marriage (each says it was the other) but if they had sought counselling before it got this bad maybe things could have worked out differently. I am sure Jon was unhappy about the way Kate treated him a long time ago. Maybe if he hadn't waited for it to get so bad that they hated each other, they could have had a chance to save their marriage. He could have gone to her years ago and said I don't like the way you talk to me and treat me and I think we need to do something to change this or our marriage is going to suffer. Maybe then we wouldn't have been witnessing this media circus today!
It's all very sad that the kids are caught in the middle and even though they may be oblivious to it now, they certainly won't be a few years from now and by then I would hate to see them turn on either of their parents for decisions they made that were not in the best interest of the kids' emotional well being.
3KMOM - I agree with you when you say there is ugliness on both sides. I think the difference is that Jon goes on tv and spews all his anger and hatred for everyone to see where Kate may be saying things that are just as nasty about Jon but she is smart enough to keep it off camera and out of print. I mean seriously, she'd have to be a saint to really be as composed and unaffected by it all as she seems to appear on her media interviews.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I forgot to address, if that's possible, is the thing about Jon wanting the kids to be involved in the Divorced Dads Club. If that is true, I am so done with him! Not that I have been his biggest fan at all lately. Lord knows I have wanted to shake some sense into him many times especially lately, but if he sits on LKL and other media outlets claiming that filming on Kate Plus 8 is deterimental to them and that they are losing their childhoods etc. and turns around in the next breath and has them on his new show then that proves he is really a despicable jerk and I will know right there that he couldn't have cared less about his kids at all at any point and that the only thing he sees in them is dollar signs! Just let him try it. I know I am one of the minority here that still tries to see his point of view sometimes and give him the benefit of the doubt even though mostly I am furious at him but I will never again believe a word that comes out of his mouth no matter how hard done by he makes himself appear if that rumour is true.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the polls that you post but I can't read the entire numbers in grey font on the result bars/boxes. Maybe a different bolder color might work?
Jon is going to be on The Insider with Nancy Grace?
ReplyDeleteLet me see... Jon being interviewed with a woman that won't let him get a word in edgewise. Where have I seen this before?
Is he insane? I hope he has his lawyer with him. Why on The Insider? Why not on her own show? Kind of odd. I haven't heard anything about it myself. Is she really going to grill him?
Nancy is definitely against child exploitation. Maybe she is actually there to take up the cause with him? I just can't see her going against him on it on the filming of the children. What could she possibly care about the marriage or Jon and the past six months, etc.
I can't see her caring about why he's doing it now instead of earlier. I wonder if she wants the details on what the children are really expected to do while filming. Either way, this should be interesting.
Does anyone know where the video of Jon on the Insider is? I missed it and I can't seem to find it anywhere online. The only thing I saw was the preview of them grilling Jon and him looking into the camera saying "Who's side are you on?". So cheesy but I still want to see it. lol
ReplyDeleteThanks In Advance!
I have read up on a lot of posts here and skimmed some since there are so many posts... I will add my 2 sence worth...
ReplyDeleteI am studing law right now and with what I have learned (Im only 1 year into the program)... Jon was saying that he has support with Haylie's family along with the Heller family... I hope Kate's lawyer brings this up in courts.... 1st off it is a conflict of interest because Jon and his lawyer need to stay in a client/contact relationship. It sounds like to me they have gone beyond that relationship with support "from the family" not support from his lawyer, but including the family... Also Jon and his lawyer should not be talking so much about the case. Kate's lawyer did a great job and has not really talked to many spacifics but instead was asking questions to Jon and Mr. Heller about going to court where they have not gone to court yet. If they do go to court regarding TLC and they have been talking about TLC issues that can sway the judge and may cause a mistrial. Its going to be hard finding a jury (if it goes that route) that wont know to much about the case already. Basically, I think Mr. Heller is way out of lines and is not representing Jon as well as he thinks he is. He should not be on TV telling the world about TLC but needs to handle the matters in court not "thru the peoples court of media" or whatever BS Mr. Heller said...
On another note about the Jon and the lawyer... Not sure if anyone else knoticed but Jon is still passive. Mr. Heller told him when to talk and when to not talk by hand gestures. I knoticed at least 3 times Jon wanted to say something but Mr. Heller stopped him and Mr. Heller would go on and answer whatever the questions were. I dont believe Jon has a voice, I think his lawyer is telling Jon what to do and Jon is going thru with it.
Also I want to bring out another point that I read from someone else... The inconsistancies. Is it just me but did anyone else knotice Jon's stories changing. I got the impression that Jon was with the children last friday taping, then later in the show he says he doesnt know Kate's taping schedule and one of the girls called and told him that the production crew was there. Did anyone else get the opionon that Jon was the one filming on Friday or was it Kate??? This is all such a mess and it just needs to be brought in front of a judge to decide.
Sorry for all the misspellings I dont have the time to go thru and correct and check any misspelled words.
lucysmom~ Thanks so much for the information regarding the colors on the blog. All of the stories have been happening so fast, it's quite hard to catch up as well as do maintenance on the site. I try to keep a "Mama Blog" list of things I need to finish and update on the site. Hopefully when the kids are asleep and I come back from the Outlets tonight I will fix this. xoxox
ReplyDeleteThanks, BabyMama. I should have said not to hurry on it. Even tho' it's been pretty crazy here in blog land, we all know you've got other more important priorities.
ReplyDeleteThanks for all you do here already. I hope you're getting paid for the ads on this site to help pay for your time here.
I knew it wouldn't take Kate long to remove that obnoxious sign. It's her house and property as much as it is his. Hope it doesn't become a yo-yo, however.
ReplyDeleteRegarding conflict of interest for lawyer/client relationship. Don't think that exists if their friends. Anyone can represent a party in court. Now if the lawyer represented or had friends or relatives connected with Kate or TLC, that might be an issue.
I can't see Jon buying a house big enough for the 8 in CA. That would be pushing his limited custody rights way too far. Now if he's doing it for Hailey, that doesn't surprise me. Dumb move, but not surprising.
But Brooke is right. Jon & Heller should not be discussing any legal specifics in the public eye before it goes to court. It may backfire, if it hasn't already.
ReplyDeleteBtw: What was the expected date for the divorce to be finalized?
ReplyDeleteI was astounded and amazed that one of the panelists on "The Insider" actually had the audacity to tell and thank Jon for being "honest and candid"??? And to top it off, he was considered their "best" celebrity of the week. You've got to be kidding me.
ReplyDeleteI found out the answer to my question. Oct. 20 is when the hearing is scheduled (as it currently stands).
ReplyDeleteThe way Jon answers the questions in my opinion shows that he is 'sour grapes'. He's an ass, full on total 100% jackass.
ReplyDeleteShe's better off without him.....and so are the kids. TLC needs to buy out his contract and cut him loose. He'll be broke........he's already a has-been.
He's such a putrid excuse for a man, he makes me sick to look at him.
Every time they bring up all his mistresses all he can say is I made mistakes. And he never did answer Kate's lawyer when he asks why he isn't going thru the proper legal channels to get the show stopped if he thinks it is harming his kids.
I do not think the show is harming the kids, they like it and the film crew. Just because it isn't something we would do doesn't mean they should stop. Most of the people that want it to stop are jealous low life trolls.
Note: Jon says I don't think they should be filmed while we're going through a divorce. He doesn't say they shouldn't ever be filmed, such as fir his show after the divorce is final.
ReplyDeleteKate and Jon did have representation after the first year. Kate still has the same media reps but Jon changed to the Heller son's agency. Maybe what attorney Heller meant was that Jon didn't have hm as his attorney? Poor Jon can't see that he's being played the fool by his new BFFs. Of course Heller wants him out of his TLC contract. Only then can Jon go on to the Deadbeat Dad's Club, oops I meant Divorced Dad's Club. Jon won't make the $$$ until that happens and the the Heller's get paid (legal $$ and the 20% agent fees for father and son)
Schmeckygirl I'm glad that you disapprove of using drugs but know people who use pot. It is wrong because it is illegal. It is illegal because it impairs your judgment. Drinking beyond the legal limit is wrong because it also impairs your judgment. Of course, Jon says it's unfair to label Hailey as a druggie when that was during her "college years". Excuse me but wasn't college until just a few months ago?
I'd love for Nancy Grace to question Jon about all those photos of his bloodshot eyes. I'd love for Nancy Grace to look him in the eyes and ask him if he's doing pot. Then I'd love for her to ask him if he's willing to take the pee test if the court asks him. Then, I'd love for her to go the last step and ask him if he'd be willing to do the test right then and there during a commercial break.
I think Jon would say yes if a court asked him to, but if put to the test right then and there, he'd blow up and storm off. Why? Because it stays in your system for 60 days. I don't think he could pass it now, but knows if court is delayed 90 days he could. And you can bet Heller senior is telling him to stay clean for now.
I've loved and supported Jon for years, but this erratic behavior is coming from something folks!
Ok, so I have been either sick or working this week so I have been out of the loop and decided to come on today to catch up on Gosselin land...all I can say is WOW. I am speechless. I can't believe this is a guy that just last Christmas I stated was one of the best dads on TV. I have officially eaten my words.
ReplyDeleteBabyMama my cable was off last night in storm. I missed the Insider interview. Will you be posting it?
ReplyDeletePLEASE NOTE: I am re-working and trying things for my site tonight. Please do not be alarmed if you see any changes. Just testing the site. THANKS!
ReplyDeleteLinda, regarding pot use detection, here are a couple quotes from a couple sites:
ReplyDelete"Urine tests can detect THC metabolites for up to a week after people have smoked marijuana."
"The most common period of time is anywhere from 3-30 days, depending on your metabolism and the amount of marijuana that you’ve smoked. This is unfortunate, since it means that while most drug tests can only turn up evidence of other drugs if you’ve been taking the drug within a few days of the drug test, marijuana could still be detected in a urine test up to a month after the last time it is used.
Hair tests are even worse, since your body stores THC in the hair follicles. For this reason, the previous answers to “How long does marijuana stay in your system?” are only useful if you’re going to be forced to take a urine test. For the hair test, depending on the amount of hair that the company takes, it’s possible that marijuana could be detected up to three years after the last time that you smoke."
BabyMama, I love the greens, but I loved the purple also. (I admit I panicked a bit earlier when the whole site went blue for a few minutes, lol) I love the new photo you have with your "About Me" also. Thanks for all you do.
ReplyDeleteKate is obviously very intelligent and goal oriented. I have read articles dating all the way back to when the sextuplets were born. The family received help from the state for the babies and when the state wanted to discontinue help after the normal time period, Kate tried to get them to continue stating the family had a special situation. They also received help from their church where Kate's father was pastor. I believe I also read that it was Kate who pursued the idea of having their family on television.
ReplyDeleteShe already has many prospects for the future and if the past is any indicator she will always do whatever necessary. For this reason, I truly wish she would make the decision to take these poor children off camera. I love watching the kids and would miss seeing them (especially Collin, he reminds me so much of my own little boy!) but I still feel it's best. Note: I am neither jealous nor a troll, I have always been very happy to see this family receive all of the wonderful opportunities they have been given.
Kate now has some wonderful opportunities coming her way and she should take this time to focus on her own career and simply enjoy her children without having to film when it's her turn with them. IMHO.
lucysmom said...
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl said...
I'm sorry but you are wrong. One example can be precedent expecially in a legal capacity. Also, it doesn't have to be exact. It can be similar.
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Sorry, but a precedent is a binding legal decision, not an example. An example is only a thing or situation of which some aspects might be compared to with another thing. Examples cannot always be the sole basis for legal decisions, perhaps helpful to some degree to make a point, but not the basis.
Secondly, it's not about the cameras, but about the parents.
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I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are saying. Especially, it's not about the cameras, but about the parents???
mmagouirk said...
ReplyDeleteI have mixed feelings about going on with the show. As we all know, it's reality TV, so the kids are playing like they would if no cameras were there. Yes, there are small interviews and yes they talk to the cameras but it's not that big of a deal for the kids. If anything, the adults would be able to see themselves on the reruns and change the things they don't like. Kate has even said before that Mady has seen herself be mean to her siblings and she decided to try to be more kind. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they tape that often.
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Jon's lawyer said the show was scripted. I would guess that means Jon told him it was. If it's scripted then the children are acting, at least some of the time.
The do film a lot. We've watched shows when they've filmed the entire day. Maybe if they average it out over a year's time it's a low average, but that's not a fair way to do it.
As for Mady, it's one thing for her to see herself act that way but for everyone else in the world to see it? No, that's not a good thing.
Dee said...
ReplyDeleteSchemeckyGirl I don’t understand how saying that bad behavior is okay as long as you say it’s a mistake and you apologize.
I tell my children that you may have the greatest excuse in the world but it is still an excuse.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand that reasoning. So if your child admits they were wrong and apologizes you don't forgive them? You don't give them a second chance? Of course there will be repurcussions for their actions, whether it's punishment or a lack of privilege or a time-out, etc. What about forgiveness? If a person is sincerely sorry for mistakes they've made it should matter. I'm not saying Jon is sincerely sorry. Maybe he's not. But he's saying he is. He's saying he regrets his actions.
It's up to Kate to forgive him. She knows what really happened in their marriage. We don't. She herself said she hopes the Jon she sees now changes back to the old Jon and calls her up and apologizes, etc. Well he's doing that. He can't erase the past. He can only move forward.
Obviously if he apologizes and does it again and apologizes and does it again then that's a different story, but at this point we don't know that.
Linda said:
ReplyDeleteSchmeckygirl I'm glad that you disapprove of using drugs but know people who use pot.
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I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean by that.
I said I don't use drugs (I never have) and neither do my friends.
I also said you'd be surprised at the people who do smoke pot socially. Highly respected, well functioning people. It's a lot more common than most people think.
Even two of our President's have admitted to smoking pot. I've had business associates that smoke pot. Again, I'm not defending smoking pot. I don't think Jon should smoke pot. I don't think anyone should smoke pot. I'm just saying it's done by a lot of highly respected people.
Besides, I think Jon denied smoking pot. Not that I believe him myself, but he denied it.
I understand why Jon didn't go to court to stop TLC from filming. He directly asked TLC to stop. What's wrong with that?
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it be proper for him to ask TLC first before he took them to court? Maybe they would have taken his request, as their father, seriously and stopped. It was worth a shot.
In actuality, they did stop. So it worked. So maybe now Jon does have to go to court about it but at least he took a shot.
I know some of you have mentioned it but I want to say it again! I find it sad that Jon never once said he loved his kids! Kate always says that!! Always! But he can be all giggle and hooo haa for Hailey its sick! Oh this is ashley its logged under my hubby's email right now sorry :/
ReplyDeleteWhether or not Kate decides to forgive him -it is just an excuse. He has done things that have been recorded by the media that can never be taken back. That is the lesson I teach my kids...your words maybe forgiven but the will never be forgotten.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I will say is he did look genuinely sad when they showed the clips of Kate on Larry King.
After watching LK too I can't believe he's still sticking to the whole "she ended the marriage in October" thing. She has explained that tons of times that she felt him pulling away and that why she said for him to lead his own life since he didn't want to work on the one he has. Ugh. Some people only hear what they want.
I think it's acceptable to make a mistake once and apologize and learn from it....because, yes, everybody does make mistakes. But Jon's use of that statement/excuse is just explaining away all of his horrendous actions (of which there have been many) over the past few months. That is no longer acceptable, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteAt this point I really am wishing that neither Kate nor Jon do any more media interviews. It does seem as though the media hype has overtaken the genuine and original reason we all loved this show.....
Thanks Baby Mama for posting all of the videos of ET, etc, I have missed these last couple and am happy to be able to come here and find them.
...and by the way....has anybody seen Hailey's Twitter comments tonight? I've had an "epiphany" as to why she and Jon are perfect soulmates....she is completely illiterate and apparently has the maturity of a 10 year old. That is a match made in heaven if I've ever seen one!!! And I know this is a fansite, but some of this stuff is just tooooo much to take and still sound positive.
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ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl said...
I'm sorry but you are wrong. One example can be precedent expecially in a legal capacity. Also, it doesn't have to be exact. It can be similar.
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Sorry, but a precedent is a binding legal decision, not an example. An example is only a thing or situation of which some aspects might be compared to with another thing. Examples cannot always be the sole basis for legal decisions, perhaps helpful to some degree to make a point, but not the basis.
Secondly, it's not about the cameras, but about the parents.
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SchmeckyGirl said...
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are saying. Especially, it's not about the cameras, but about the parents
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First, you were trying to make a case that an example (Dionne quints) could be a precedent. Not so. You need to understand the legal definition of a precedent, which is a previous case that has been decided by a court of law which then can be used as a basis for a later case. The Dionne situation may be an example of child exploitation but can not be used in any U.S. court as a precedent mainly because it took place in Canada.
As far as my second statement, I knew I should have clarified. In the end, the most primary influence in a child's life is the parent, whether or not cameras or no cameras are present, in their private life.
SchmeckyGirl, we disagree again. (But it's great to have differing opinions on the same site.)
ReplyDelete"Obviously if he apologizes and does it again and apologizes and does it again then that's a different story, but at this time we don't know that."
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Sorry, but we DO know that!
Jon has apologized and then done it again. Please go back to the January shows where, after he was photographed with the college students when he was bar hopping. And then after he got caught with Deanna. I distinctly remember him saying, "I don't care what anybody says, I did not cheat on Kate...I am sorry for the hurt that I've caused my family and for poor decisions I made at the time...I apologize and I regret my actions...I have to move forward from here."
I really thought he was being unfairly blamed and said good heavens the guy just wanted to get a beer or socialize with friends.
So is he truly sorry now? I really doubt it. I think the only "sorry" part is that he's "sorry" he got caught.
For Jon, I'd have to say an old adage (trite as it may be) applies:
Fool me once; shame on you.
Fool me twice; shame on me (for believing you.)
I'd have to agree with Kate's statement this week: "...I never know which Jon is going to show up."
He's become so erratic with the statements changing and flip-flopping from day to day and week to week that I am worried about him. My gosh. Is he so wishy-washy that he is totally swayed by whatever BFF of the day or week that he encounters?
I'd say one question is: How long was he fooling Kate before he got caught?
Dee said...
ReplyDeleteSchemeckyGirl I don’t understand how saying that bad behavior is okay as long as you say it’s a mistake and you apologize.
I tell my children that you may have the greatest excuse in the world but it is still an excuse.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand that reasoning. So if your child admits they were wrong and apologizes you don't forgive them? You don't give them a second chance? Of course there will be repurcussions for their actions, whether it's punishment or a lack of privilege or a time-out, etc. What about forgiveness? If a person is sincerely sorry for mistakes they've made it should matter. I'm not saying Jon is sincerely sorry. Maybe he's not. But he's saying he is. He's saying he regrets his actions.
SchmeckyGirl,
I think you and Dee are on two different wave lengths. What I hear Dee saying is that bad behavior is still unacceptable no matter any excuses or apologies given. You are saying bad behavior should be forgiven if apologies are made. Two different equations.
You can forgive someone for their behavior (and even understand it) but that behavior is still unacceptable.
Furthermore, as a side note, once someone breaks or betrays your trust, that trust can be irretrievably lost, never to be regained until it is earned back, and that can take an awfully long time and must be backed up with true and sincere effort/action.
If the money doesn't matter, why is Jon out in California having fun. Why isn't he back home getting rid of his $3-5,000 a month apartment to rent something inexpensive, selling his cars and such and finding that 9-5 job so he can pay child support and raise his kids or is money good for him, but Kate and the kids should go without it. Also if he cares so much about the paparazzi bothering his kids does he engage them in the car, at the fence, in the airport and wherever he goes instead of ignoring them like Kate does. And if he is engaging them why isn't he telling them to leave his kids alone.
ReplyDeleteLinda, it is interesting the tweet that hailey wrote, what does that mean?? hhhmmm hidden, but not so hidden message maybe?
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ReplyDeleteSchemeckyGirl I don’t understand how saying that bad behavior is okay as long as you say it’s a mistake and you apologize.
I tell my children that you may have the greatest excuse in the world but it is still an excuse.
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I have to agree with Dee and totally disagree with SchmeckyGirl...We cannot continue to compare Kate's behavior with Jon's behavior, they are just not the same. Jon is not a child, he is an adult and this is just not one mistake, but many mistakes and a pattern of erratic behavior since the beginning of this year and even before then. Jon complained about having to take care of the children, when Kate was out working, earning money for her family. Yet what does he think Kate was doing, when he held his IT job? Was she not at home taking care of the children? He has been caught in so many lies and people still want to give him a chance. How many chances does this guy get? In an interview in Utah, he says that everything is great. He comes home from Utah and he is seen at NUMBEROUS college campuses, partying with college age kids. He is caught with Deanna, he denies any wrong doing, meanwhile there are witnesses that see and hear differently. He says that the other people are lying. Ok, we give him a pass. Then he is seen in Upstate NY with Hailey, again he denies a relationship. Then he moves to NY, there is France, Kate-2, Stephanie, etc... Even when he is in PA, he is on the phone, he goes out at night, etc...Everyone keeps on saying that he is a good dad. Why? because he plays with the kids? Does that make him a good father? Now he is pulling this BS, with the show, because everyone is tired of HIS BS. How many times can we keep excusing his behavior, when it is obvious that there is not a sincere bone in his body. No one is perfect and I know that certain people want to remain objective, but I think that we all have to own up to the fact, that Jon is ONLY...and I stress ONLY ....thinking about HIMSELF. He does not give a rat's ass about how this MESS, that he has created, is affecting his FAMILY. And my friends that is the saddest thing of all, because we all wanted to believe that he was a GOOD MAN and I know that it is disappointing to realize that he isn't, but we ALL have to stop making excuses for him. He is a liar and he is a selfish man plain and simple.
Yikes, what a mess with the "precedent". At this point it probably doesn't even matter. My head is spinning. It's late and I can't sleep.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I think we were using the word precedent with different meanings. I meant the standard term "precedent" by definition. Lucysmom never used the term "legal precedent" in the first comment. I took it to mean a precedent as in a previous case in life not as in a court ruling.
It was also stated that one example does not a precedent make. Then scientific studies were mentioned, so again I'm not sure in what context precedent was meant.
I disagreed. You only need one previous case to set a precedent, although I'm sure more than one is even better. Even legally you only need one precedent, which is all I meant. But I do understand that a legal precedent must be based on a past court ruling. I just didn't realize that we were discussing "legal precedents".
Sorry for the confusion.
Linda said...
ReplyDeleteSchmeckyGirl, we disagree again. (But it's great to have differing opinions on the same site.)
"Obviously if he apologizes and does it again and apologizes and does it again then that's a different story, but at this time we don't know that."
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Sorry, but we DO know that!
Jon has apologized and then done it again. Please go back to the January shows where, after he was photographed with the college students when he was bar hopping. And then after he got caught with Deanna. I distinctly remember him saying, "I don't care what anybody says, I did not cheat on Kate...I am sorry for the hurt that I've caused my family and for poor decisions I made at the time...I apologize and I regret my actions...I have to move forward from here."
I really thought he was being unfairly blamed and said good heavens the guy just wanted to get a beer or socialize with friends.
So is he truly sorry now? I really doubt it. I think the only "sorry" part is that he's "sorry" he got caught.
For Jon, I'd have to say an old adage (trite as it may be) applies:
Fool me once; shame on you.
Fool me twice; shame on me (for believing you.)
I'd have to agree with Kate's statement this week: "...I never know which Jon is going to show up."
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That is a very good point. I totally see where you are coming from. And I do agree with you to a point.
The difference to me is that I see this whole entire past six months as one huge ongoing mistake for Jon. He did apologize to "his family" but now he is apologizing to Kate personally and says he's looked in the mirror, etc.
The difference to me is he says he's going to a counselor now. I think that's what's different about this apology.
I think he did that first apology for TLC and his contract and the show and the image, etc more than anything else. Personally,looking back I don't believe anything either one of them said on their show for that entire time. I think they were both lying and deceiving for the past year at least.
I also want to say that I don't know if I believe Jon 100%. I think he was honest about a lot on the LKL interview. I haven't seen The Insider yet. I will say that I don't believe Kate in a lot she says either.
I also want to clarify that I don't believe just "apologizing" is enough. It has to be a sincere apology... the person must be truly repentant. Big difference in my eyes.
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ReplyDeleteI know some of you have mentioned it but I want to say it again! I find it sad that Jon never once said he loved his kids! Kate always says that!! Always! But he can be all giggle and hooo haa for Hailey its sick! Oh this is ashley its logged under my hubby's email right now sorry :/
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Why are people hung up on that? As long as Jon tells his KIDS that he loves them and I'm sure he does....why does he have to convince US that he does? I love my kids...I don't need to say it out loud to other people to convince them that I do or make it more "legitimate".
Reading the discussion on forgiveness, I will throw my two cents into the ring since I don't agree with what anyone has said so far.
ReplyDeleteWith an apology, I assees te sincerity and context with which it is given and subsequent actions before considering if I accept what they say and act on it. (Forgivenss is not the right word because someone can be forgiven and still not trusted.) If my son has acted up and is being punished and then wants something (say to play with a friend) he will often apologize. I can see he is not truly contrite and make my decisions based on that. Or another example, when my son was little he used to apologize when he hit another kid. 30 minutes later he was hitting again. His apology was not sincere and I acted accordingly.
I don't see any sincerity or change in behavior on Jon's part so his apology strikes me as pretty meaningless. If he sincerely wanted a beter relationship with Kate for the sake of his kids, his apologies would have been made in person to Kate not in the "court of public opinion."
Kate has every reasont to doubt Jon's sincerity and question his motives.
those couple of days with no jon in the news were great. now, ugh....
ReplyDeletego away jon!
OMG! I can't believe that Jon did this! There is seriously something wrong with him! He's such a loser! He's turning this into some sort of "war" between him and Kate! Why would he basically empty her bank account? How is he going to justify this!?!?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-jon-gosselin-secretly-empties-kates-bank-account-now-shes-headed-court
I am praying for Kate. She has so much on her plate already, and now she has to worry about her own husband stealing from her! Go Team Kate!
Personally,looking back I don't believe anything either one of them said on their show for that entire time. I think they were both lying and deceiving for the past year at least.
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I do not think that they were lying or deceiving, I think that they were trying to keep the specifics of their "personal" problems, personal, and I think that they are entitled to do so. It was Jon acting like an ASS and then Kevin and Jodi spewing Jon and Kate's very personal information that brought upon this media circus. The show is a reality show, but we, the public, are not entitled to know every aspect of their personal lives and if they were having marital problems, plain and simple.
And now on Radar, Jon has taken all of the money out of their joint bank account and better yet..this is the best quote of all...
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"Jon's lawyer Heller even said Jon wants to be a role model. "Divorcing couples have the power to make healthy and appropriate decisions for themselves when they're ending the marriage, and to take into most concern and consideration the well-being of their children and family values. And Jon is determined to do that and to become a model for other divorcing families," Heller said on TV. "
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Really, What Planet are these IDIOTS ON...Jon a roll model?????????????????????
You cannot make this shit up
Am I wrong? I understood from one of Jon's comments on TV that the counseling he received started in January. Thus, I can only assume that a lot if his bizarre behavior has occured after he finished he counseling to "gain insight I to himself and figure out what he needed." But the only insight I've heard him mention was that "His counselor told him he was 'charming'." oh, and that he owes $22k for counseling. He didn't finish with the counseling if this is all he gained, or he was deaf.
ReplyDeleteOMG! Tell me somebody that this latest news of Jon emptying the bank account isn't true! It's the first if the month and how will Kate pay the household bills?
ReplyDeleteLord,God PLEASE LET THE LATEST NOT BE TRUE. Please let Radar be telling a lie and a rumor, but in my gut I think he did it. They say he emptied out hundreds of thousands of dollars out of Kate's bank account leaving her with only $1000. She pays bills out of that for the family, please let him not do that to his kids especially when he is trying to cut off a major source of his kids' and Kate's income. When a judge sees what he's done, please let them strip him of any authority over the kids. He is clearly acting against their best interests.
ReplyDeleteMan, I really hope this story isn't true... from People.com -
ReplyDeleteThe nasty war between Jon and Kate Gosselin just took its ugliest turn yet.
According to Radar Online, Jon cleared out the couple's joint bank account, leaving his estranged wife with just $1,000. Another account, set up for the Gosselin children, was untouched, Radar reports.
A source familiar with the situation confirmed the details of the report to PEOPLE, and said Kate plans to take legal action.
When initially reached for comment, a rep for Jon was unaware of the situation and had no comment.
The allegation against Jon caps an intensely bitter week between the couple, during which their TLC series Jon & Kate Plus Eight suspended production. The move followed the network's announcement on Sept. 29 that Jon was being dropped from the show, and him saying he wanted stop the show because it was damaging his children.
Speaking to CNN interviewer Larry King on Oct. 1, Jon, 32, said he last spoke to Kate "3½ weeks ago," and that she wants to keep the show going "for financial reasons.”
Asked by King how much he made from the series last year, Jon replied $1 million before taxes, $500,000 after.
Jon also told King that he had experienced an "epiphany" that the series was no longer in his children’s best interest.
Rebutting Jon's claim about their kids, Kate, 34, issued a statement on Oct. 1 saying, "Jon has never expressed any concerns to me about our children being involved in the show and, in fact, is on the record as saying he believes the show benefits our children and was taping on Friday with the kids."
Although Jon has said he would like to put the brakes on the divorce, Kate's attorney, Mark Momjian, said on Larry King Live that the divorce case would not be delayed. "It's going to go forward."
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Jon emptying the joint bank account right after apologizing to his wife and saying he wants to work with her is proof enough of his insincerity. Kate can't worry about forgiveness at this point, she needs to take care of herself and the kids.
ReplyDeleteWOW, I am really LOL at all the discussion about the legal precedent statements. Ladies!!!! you are driving each other nuts about it.
ReplyDeleteI just got back from THE APPLE FESTIVAL, went out of state since Friday, so am 2 tired to think about all this.
cu later gators,
What a fxcking loser! Taking money right out of an account that pays bills!! And guess what little Jon boy you and Kate had an agreement about that account! You can't just do whatever the hell you please! What was this to pay your skanky lawyer?!? Oh Jon is really apologizing and trying to make things right!! See I told you guys who made up excuses for Jon that he is just a piece of crap!! Who would do this?!? I'm glad Kate went and got another pit bull attorney!! Take him for everything woman!!!!!!!!! What freaking excuse is he going to have for this?!? I'm beyond livid about this! And I bet all the psychos on the nasty site are just laughing it up thinking this is so funny! Damn it he is hurting his kids now! Not that he wasn't already but this is just beyond cruel and messed up! I'm surprised he didn't touch the kids accounts! As freaking stupid as he has been! I just can't believe it.
ReplyDeleteIf true, which I wouldn't be surprised about, I hope the Judge either freezes ALL of Jon's assets right away after ordering all that he took returned to her.
ReplyDeleteSince she has been the bookkeeper and financial manager of the family all this time, Jon wouldn't know the first thing about who and how to pay which bills. I wouldn't trust him like I would any other two-bit thief.
Go, Kate, Go!!!
I sure hope Kate has a lot more stashed away in her own individual account, although I would assume that whatever was taken was for her and the kids. Just because that was a joint account shouldn't be allowed to be withdrawn without both their consent and knowledge for more than a certain amount, esp. that large of an amount, since they filed for separation. I'd wonder what their arbritrator has to say about that.
ReplyDeleteDear God, that can't be true! He's done some pretty stupid and scummy things, but this takes the cake! I mean, not only is he hurting the kids, he is violating a court order! He could go to JAIL! They gave Kate control of the money! How could the bank let him do that? They have so many expenses- the cars, the houses, FOOD! What was he thinking!? Was he trying to force her to take money from the children's account so he could use it against her? My God, this is just disgusting!
ReplyDeleteI meant to say, he is NO role model...Sorry about that...
ReplyDeleteAnd Baby Mama, you will be happy to hear this from Fiona:
"Due to career advancement, YEA!!!!, I will no longer have the time to keep this blog going, at least for awhile. I may return to it, I may not."
Another one bites the Dust...
So according to RadarOnline what he did was in violation of the arbitrator's rules. Here's more excerpts from Radaronline:
ReplyDelete"Jon violated an arbitrator's rules and pulled hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his joint account with Kate, leaving her with only $1,000, a RadarOnline.com investigation uncovered.
"...RadarOnline.com has confirmed with multiple sources that Kate routinely pays the family bills from that bank account.
...When Kate discovered what happened she engaged a high-powered lawyer who immediately sent Jon a letter, demanding he return the money to the bank account. And RadarOnline.com has learned that another lawyer for Kate will go to court in Pennsylvania on Monday to file papers demanding the money be returned.
Multiple sources tell RadarOnline.com that Jon's actions were in violation of the Gosselin divorce arbitrator's guidelines.
...Jon's lawyer Heller, in words that are sure to be repeated in light of the bank account controversy, told Kate's lawyer Mark Momjian on Larry King Live, "(Your) focus seems to be money, seems to be the show going on. This man (Jon) doesn't care about the money."Yet money, and Jon's actions in pulling out virtually all of the money from the joint bank account, is now the biggest scandal in a series of controversies."
And he wants to take full control of his family? I'm really starting to wonder what kind of nut-job of a lawyer he really has (to match his own intellect), saying he's trying to be a "role model for divorcing couples?". Jon & Heller sure make a great couple, don't they?
Wow, Jon, just another reason for Kate to have full custody (and give you just limited visitation).
When you are in a war, you have to gather all the ammunition you can. Kate should have had her own bank account separate as soon as they filed for divorce. When assets are being divided by an arbitrator, they can on divey up whats left and its posesion? is 9/10s of the law. Then the attorneys' argue about whats left. It's going going to court ladies, so why worry about bashing either one of them.
ReplyDeleteThey will fight it out. He said, she said.
If indeed J did steal the $ from the joint account:
ReplyDeleteI don't know why there is any soul out there still supporting J. He really is not very smart is he? This again was inspired by the sleazy lawyer he hired. (someone said earlier that we souldn't judge the lawyer based on his accent; which was never a reason I consider him a Schmuck)
This is deja vu for me as J and Kates divorce is now paralleling my own divorce to the tee! My ex emptied the bank account on a Sunday leaving his own children completely penniless. It only took me 3 days to get it back through the courts. But the consequence that my ex suffered as a result of this action was to loose custody of children.
This recent action will hopefully convince Kate that mediation with a bipolar acting soon to be ex is not possible.
Bury him Kate. If he is willing to listen to such evil manipulating, self-serving and money sucking friends, agents, and attorneys he does not deserve to have any control over the family finances, assets, or children.
Let the Family courts decide who deserves custody; and let the judge decide the other issues. With J's mental state; mediation is no longer an option.
According to Kate's attorney Mart Singer, Kate found out about Jon stealing the money when she got overdraft notices from the bank.
ReplyDeleteSinger sent notices to replace the money on Friday to Heller and he didn't respond.
I'm telling you Jon's judgment is so impaired that he needs evaluation.
I hope Nancy Grace also asks him about his latest action.
I think Monday's Insider might be good. I saw the previews and Nancy Grace is making all kinds of faces and Radar has a new post about the missing money. It seems as Jon could end up behind bars for being in contempt of the court order.
ReplyDeleteWonder if Nancy Grace can grill him on this bank withdrawal debacle for Jon's third taping (if it hasn't been done yet)?
ReplyDeleteJon is a bigger liar, sleaze and loser than I ever thought possible. It was clear from the very beginning that Kate was the motivation and brains behind the family. But we still grew to like the quiet schmuck that was Jon. Now....sadly....there is no goodness left in this man. Why? He must have snapped. He is a clear and present danger to those kids, he is mentally unstable. How can any judge not see this? I really am sorry, but I am no longer a fan of Jon in any way, shape or form.
ReplyDeleteSomehow a lot of us knew Jon's lawyer, Heller, to be a sleaze, even if found to be one several years ago:
ReplyDelete"In a blockbuster legal document uncovered by RadarOnline.com, the Supreme Court of New York, Appellate Division, suspended Heller from the practice of law for a period of five years.
The decision, handed down on February 8, 1994, came after a lengthy investigation that resulted in Heller's "substantial admissions of professional misconduct."
Heller was admitted to the practice of law in New York in 1969. The case against him was brought in 1993 by the state's Judicial Department when he was charged with an astounding 38 violations of department rules regarding conduct.
The court found "a pattern of misconduct involving misrepresentation, deceit, abusive treatment of clients, fee gouging, neglect and willful failure to return unearned retainers to his clients."
The violations occurred between 1989 and 1992 and involved 12 separate clients, the document asserts.
Heller was ultimately found guilty of 18 violations, and was suspended from 1994 to 1999.
Wow! Did Jon Gosselin know this when he hired Heller?"
Like I said, they make a great pair, don't they?
Looks like Kate's other pit bull lawyer, Marty Singer (named one of the LA's top lawyers) is threatening to go after and investigate Heller with all the powers of heaven and hell at his
disposal.
This has developed into such a He Says, She Says...But What Does God Say? http://www.jonandkateprayers.com/2009/10/he-said-she-saidbut-what-does-god-say.html
ReplyDeleteCan anybody tell me the time and channel for the insider show with Nancy Grace? THANKS!
ReplyDeleteGood Morning Posters,
ReplyDeleteWell here we go!!!! Each of those 2 adults took monies out of the account at some point in time. Kate said she put it back. Now Jon will probably put some back too. They are each on their second attorneys' now, and boy I bet the fees are Big!
In the end the attorneys will have more money then J&K. If they were smart they would end it themselves but thats not going to happen. The judge will decide.
I don't know wether to believe Kate or not. Do you ladies really believe she dosen't have money for food????? Now she is in the media! I wish she would of just stayed quiet and let the attorneys handle it. But lets face it it's TV, and all about the rating for her career.
They both should stay off TV. Kids included.
omo.
Jon's lawyer has issued this in response to the allegtions of money being taken secretly from the joint account:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.etonline.com/documents/ins_jgosselin_mjheller_statement_091004.pdf
What to make of all of this???
I always vacation in October after the people with children go back to their routines and prices go down for us old folks. When I got home last year, J&K had completely exploded.
ReplyDeleteHere I go again! Limited internet for TWO WEEKS! I'll see headlines but won't be able to read this site or post here until after October 18.
BabyMama! What will I do? I sure hope J has another vision but this time it involves medication.
My best wishes to all the regulars here and any newbies that come along. Keep telling BabyMama and TLC that some out here in the real world truly love Kate + 8 and want only good things for them...
See ya soon!
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I have just watched Kate's interview on The Today Show with Meredith Vieira. It is nothing short of devastating. Kate must be an incredibly strong woman to survive all that Jon has put her through these past few months. I honestly didn't think he had it in him to be so vengeful and hurtful, knowing the impact it will have on his children.
ReplyDeleteI don't care what it took, I'm glad the kids are not filming. I thought it was totally Jon and Kate's judgement on what was best for their kids while their home life was happy and stable but it has been anything but that for months and months. These people announced on world-wide television that they're getting a divorce, for heaven's sake.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm not buying this at all: Kate's words about the kids being told that they're not filming "There was wailing and sobbing and the kids are angry."
I didn't hear anything like that over their parents being divorced. She said they don't even miss the pets they got for Christmas. But they're wailing and sobbing because they won't be filming anymore? How messed up is that?
There are lots of messed up divorces in this world, maybe MOST of them are messed up. My parents was pretty ugly itself, but at some point you just have to let the lawyers battle it out and hope for the best. Jon and Kate are NOT doing what's best for their kids doing media tours every time there's a new development in their divorce.
I am just astonished that they maintained a joint account, especially with the amount of money that was in it. I thought it was standard divorce procedure to set up individual accounts.
ReplyDeleteRick Garner, I love that you have always rallied for prayer for the Gosselins. You are right, that is what they need most, rather than our judgement calls. I've certainly done my share of judging.
ReplyDeleteI missed Kate on Today. Ugh! I also can't seem to find video of Jon on the Insider on Friday. Usually you can find everything eventually. Oh well, hopefully I can catch tonight's Insider with Nancy Grace. Sheesh, Jon and Kate are popping up all over the place these days, we can't even keep track of who's on where anymore. lol
ReplyDeleteAs for things with Heller, wow, seems like he has had quite the professional past. I don't doubt he has that shady sheister lawyer look and I don't know if Jon knew this when he hired him but whatever, I guess that was in the past so hopefully his method of practice has since changed. I do have to say though that it makes me cringe every time I hear him say something about the court of public opinion. I saw a clip of them on the Insider tonight with Nancy Grace and he says this again. It just makes him sound so un-credible!
Regarding the whole money issue between Jon and Kate, I don't know what to make of it. As I said, I missed the first part of Kate on Today so I don't know what she said in response to this but the link I posted previously to a letter written by Heller paints a different picture.
He says that in the last 4 and a half years, Jon has not taken anything for himself from the TLC earnings except for in the last few months which only totalled to about 175,000. He goes on to say that Kate has withdrawn several very large amounts (one in the 300,000's) in the last while and that she won't provide accounting for the withdrawls. He says that if it goes to court, he expects Jon will still be awarded more in order to satisfy his share of the earnings over the last 4 and a half years. He also says that Jon has provided a record of what his withdrawls were for.
I don't know what Kate responded to this but I really hope it is not as ugly as they are making it out to be. I have to say that even if it was Jon's right to take that money, how could he possibly take it all knowing only a thousand dollars was remaining in the account? Surely he knows Kate uses that money to pay bills too. Things are sinking to new lows on an hourly basis between these two!
On that note, I really have to hand it to Kate when she told Meredith that she has always been open to communicating with Jon and that she really tries to picture the old Jon when she talks to him so that she can put her anger aside and communicate effectively. That she can still do that after ALL this crap he has pulled is amazing to me. I would long since have been at the point of utter hate if it were me!
I'm glad she also addressed the kids and said that Mady and Cara frequently ask about what is going on and that she answers them with facts without saying anything derogatory about Jon and lets them draw their own conclusions. I am sure they are going to come to a point where they are really going to doubt their dad's sincerity too. So sad.
Have a good time on your vacation Holliday!!!
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ReplyDeleteKate needs all the support she can get!!! This is terrible, Jon is an inconsiderate A Hole.
ReplyDeleteKate we are all here for you, shout out from Dallas. My mother just went through the same thing. She has four kids including me, and my father took $50,000 from my mom's account. In the divorce we nailed his A**! My mother was awarded our home, the Benz, BMW, and my Lexus.
He now lives in a Fort Worth subburb with his mother...
Just remember honey, no matter which way the divorce goes. Everything he has done to you an your family will come back on him. It is aweful to hate a person, but your interveiw on the Today show, honetly made me cry. I feel for you, and people are standing behind you! Keep yor head high, and smile foryour babies. Just hold on tight its a rough ride, but you will make it through and a new, better life will come out in the end.
Trust me.
Love.
Support.
Prayers from Truman in Dallas...
I wrote a poem, its ify, butinspiring.
Live Your Life...
When the birds are chirping in the morning sun,
live your life.
When your stressed, depressed, and you want to run,
Live your life.
When an oppurtunity sounds like fun,
Live yourlife.
When you look or feel undone,
Live your life.
When your in a strange mood to mop your floors,
Lve yourlife.
When he says, "I don't love you anymore."
Live your life.
When the walls are closing in and you cant find the door,
Live your life.
When you finally realize he's not coming back through that door,
You still have to live your life.
So next time you flip a switch an theres no light,
Live yor life.
When you dont want to open your eyes,
Its still your lfe.
When he truely loves you but you cant trust him,
Live your lfe.
The morning your car wont start,
Live your life.
When a 35 year old man has to bury his wife,
He still lives his life. (my older brother)
When someone argues and you know your right,
Slap them in the face,
Chances are they cant fight.
-Truman Adams
Keep strong honey, win this aweful fight.
I just wanted to say too that Kate is still wearing some sort of bond to Jon - her Hawaii vow renewal ring. Sigh... I know she says she is slowly phasing her wedding rings out (in favour of a ring with 8 diamonds and a mother of pearl) for the kids but you can really see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice that it is also for her. I think she is really having a hard time accepting the reality and finality of this. Just the way she talked about picturing the old Jon when dealing with him these days, it's like she so desperately wants to have him back and wishes she could turn back the time to a better time and place. You can really tell how much she loved and still loves that Jon. She probably also sees that as much as he is stepping up barking orders and saying he is no longer under anyone's thumb, he is still really just being pushed around by all his new high powered friends like his lawyer and various other people that couldn't care less about him.
ReplyDeleteI really am strongly praying for this family - ALL of them - for peace, understanding and sanity for Jon (not trying to be funny at all on that last part)!
Baby Mama,
ReplyDeleteI was thinking that maybe you can create posts in advance and schedule them to post when appropriate.
If you go to create new post on the bottom left there are post options. You can enter a date and time for them to post so that you don't have to do them manually.
So if you know you won't be able to create a new post for an upcoming J&K8 event it can be up for us to comment.
For example you can have one scheduled for Monday at 9:30pm to discuss the latest episode. It will automatically post at 9:30pm. Or Monday at 9am to discuss Today, etc. You can go in afterward and update whatever you want in the post itself. That way a conversation won't start in the old post while you are "away" and then have to move to the new post mid-conversation.
Just a thought....
Just watched the Today interview with Kate. She is super. The $230,000 was their "liquid" money for expenses. It sounds like a lot to most of us, I am sure, but I bet her expenses are higher than most of ours too. It might have been her $$ for an extended time also. For J to take all that is unbelievable - but right after his LKL interview! What the heck?!!?
ReplyDeleteI am so happy about Kate switching out her ring and having a plan for an 8 diamond and mother-of-pearl ring! Good girl! I do hope she gets a jewelry line.
I suspect the Kate + 8 might be over but I will continue to support Kate's ventures and I hope BabyMama continues this site for us.
I just watched Kates interview w/ Meredith & it seems like Kate said that TLC does have to hear Jon out about ending the show. What I dont think Jon realizes is that he wont have money anymore. So I wonder if thats why he cleared out the bank account. I'm telling you if I was Kate from Day one of all this shit I would have gotten a separate bank account.
ReplyDeleteJon is trying his best to destroy her at the cost of his children.
You beat me to it allibrootob. I was just going to post the same thing. I saw Kate's interview on RadarOnline.com I don't want to sound like the voice of doom, but I think that Kate Plus 8 is not going to happen. Things as we now know them will never be the the same. So sad for us all.
ReplyDeleteOne is just as bad as the other when it comes to the money situation. Kate admitted she earlier took out $100,000 - was told to put it back - she did & Jon got $50,000. So now Jon takes out $230,000 - he'll be told to put it back - Kate will get $115,000.
ReplyDeleteThey're both totally ignorant for keeping a joint account when going thru a divorce.
The way I read it, Kate had withdrawn $100K before they went to the arbitrator because of Jon previously withdrawing money and she was concerned. After meeting with the arbitrator, the ruling was that neither party could remove a significant amount of money without consent of the other except for the regular household expenses which were being paid from this account.
ReplyDeleteThen, since Aug 1, Jon has removed $230K without consulting Kate, leaving her with $1K in the account and unable to pay their monthly bills.
I don't see how Jon can go back and claim 10% of all earnings since production began. As his phrase from the other night, that's irrelevant.
They were $500K in debt from the birth of the septuplets and they couldn't pay their bills. They have used income received to pay off those bills. Then they made a down payment on the current house for the kids. There has been braces and eyeglasses and tuition and shoes, etc. etc.
You sure as heck don't see Kate flaunting $2500/night hotel rooms, picking up the tap for her mom and 4 friends to Vegas, beautiful (??) skull rings (that even my young kids think is disgusting), multiple new cars, NY apartments far away from the kids, etc. etc. Does this sound like good judgment? No freaking wonder Kate had Jon Boy on an allowance. He has no idea of the value of things or how to save!
No matter how much money your "wonder creep" attorney thinks he can sue TLC for in the future, you can't steal it from accounts now. That's just plain disgusting! You agree to work for a price and then you keep your bargain. You don't say, "But wait, you cheated me 'cause you made a lot of money." You wait until your next contract renewal and ask for more $$.
NOTE: to whomever is considering producing the Divorced Dads Club. Jon Gosselin does not keep his word nor honor contracts. If he thinks you're making money, he's going to sue you in the future for a bigger greedy share. Keep your production check books far away from him, along with petty cash, 'cause he can't be trusted! Go into this with your eyes wide open knowing what kind of lowlife he's become.
We knew you and loved you Jon. But when you lay down in the pigpen and hangout with slime, you end up stinking to high heaven. And your actions smell to high heavens!
allibrootob said...
ReplyDeleteI have just watched Kate's interview on The Today Show with Meredith Vieira. It is nothing short of devastating. Kate must be an incredibly strong woman to survive all that Jon has put her through these past few months. I honestly didn't think he had it in him to be so vengeful and hurtful, knowing the impact it will have on his children.
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I agree 100%
This is dramatic and has gone WAY TOO FAR! They need to get off the air and go on with this privately.
Jons' attorneys response is on et. Read it, it sounds interesting. They have bank statements for withdrawel that Kate made from Mar. 08 to sometime before the arbitrator put it on hold.
ReplyDeleteIt totals: $469,477.00 Thats the He said.
She said: She put $100,000.00 back in Aug. 09
She said: Jon took 230,000.00 out
He said: I only took 175,000.oo
2008 is the year they bought the house, so Kate is supposed to provide statements to the arbitrator of where that money went.
So who ru going to believe?????
I don't believe either one, when it comes to money. Kate got 2 or 3 attorney firms, HMMMMM!!, wonder how much they charge?????
The courts and arbitrators are going to get a migraine over this. I quit.
Schmeckygirl~ Thank you for your thoughts and your advice about the blog. Needless to day I caught my daughters cold and have been a bit out of it. I have asked a friend of mine to moderate the posts while I get through today. In a year and a half this is the first time I have needed help with my own blog. The news keeps coming too quickly, and I do not have the time right now to address it all. Thank you to all the loyal readers who keep me up on things! It used to be the other way around, embarassing as it is to say.
ReplyDeleteI only got to see a small part of Kate on the Today Show and I will put up a new post as soon as I can. Don't forget Jon will be battling it out with Nancy Grace on The Insider tonight, ch.2 7:00 EST.
Okay folks. Some of you have never been through separation, divorce or litigation. I'm so happy for you! (And I mean that sincerely -- divorce and rearing children are both so difficult!)
ReplyDeleteGuess also that some of you are over visiting from GWOP.
Once you move into the court system, they set the guidelines. The arbitrator said money must be put back (and Kate did, against her better judgment given Jon's actions in June.) This particular money market account was designated to pay the regular monthly expenses (i.e. food, housing, braces, tuition, etc. etc.) It no longer was an account where he could remove money at will.
Don't know about PA law, but in most states, once an arbitrator rules, and you violate those terms, you can be held in contempt, ordered to make a replacement of money, or go to jail.
Don't necessarily believe what attorney Heller is saying. Even Singer reminds him that if he advised Jon to do this, then he can be held liable also. Heller was disbarred for years in NY state after he was convicted for inappropriately advising clients to "strip their bank accounts to pay legal fees." Can't do that folks once a court rules.
As for #1caregiver "Kate got 2 or 3 attorney firms..."
This is common for most people. Rarely would anybody in a position of knowledge use general services counsel to handle everything. Kate has 2 firms. One of them the counsel and co-counsel specialize in family law (divorce, etc.) The other one (of which Marty Singer is instrumental) handles civil matters.
Heller handles anything that will bring him a $$...divorce, general practice, entertainment, criminal, etc... anything that generates publicity. Law is so complicated, particularly from state to state, why would anybody hire a generalist to represent them.
Thank goodness Kate that your mind is on target to know that you needed somebody else to represent you in the other matter.
Just watched Kate on the Today Show...very sad! I think that the saddest thing in all of this is that Kate is praying that one day she gets a call from the "old" Jon....so sad!
ReplyDeleteI pray that one day she gets that call!
Jon, wake up, you are throwing away the best thing that has ever happened to you...your family!!
BabyMama - So sorry you have a cold. Take care and get well!
ReplyDeleteThere are a few GWOPers sneaking through, but your friend is doing a good job. (And we can deal with them.)
Hugs to you.
Linda~ Thanks! Yeah I did see that, but for the sake of discussion I decided not to delete the posts. However, I did have a discussion with her about putting through what she feels is ok, and I trust her judgement. I did not see the View this morning but I heard Kate called in. Did anyone see it? I will be back later tonight to see how things are going.....
ReplyDeleteLinda,
ReplyDeleteI hope you are not referring to me being a troll. About the attorneys, I am not new to the divorce arena either. Mine took 2-1/2 years for a custody battle and arbitration and 2 attorneys also. It took me 10 years to pay for the legel fees. Thank God I had a women attorney who was in favor of stay at home Moms, and let me make payments.
I have always hoped that Kate was safe and had that bodyguard close. I had to deal withe the violence that came from my ex. and was scared.
So, if our opinions differ, so be it. I still think they should not air their dirty laundry in the court of public opinion. They are paying attorney fees galore and it should kept in court. PRIVATE! not on tv!!
Also, it is time for the show to end if they are going to battle this on TV, and not communicate.
Who knows what to believe????
#1caregiver, I wasn't referring to you at all. I can respect differences of opinion. You are here often. I was referring to screen names with exact same wording in what they said as on the slime site. Don't know if you'll see this or not, but wanted to tell you.
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for what the gosselin family is going through right now because it is every families worst nightmare to be split apart. I also think that someone is being very selfish right now and we all know who that is. Kate is also taking good care of her self I might add, looking in tip top shape!
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