Hello Gosselin fans! I had to just laugh when I read out of all people, Radar Online feels they have the inside scoop on this.. Like it's anyone's business anyway.. "you don’t need surgery, and the Jon & Kate Plus 8 star probably didn’t go under the knife either. “You can get the same lift and boost with the perfect under wire,” he said. “It’s all about the fit!”..OK so can we all go about our lives now geeze. (Photo: INF Daily)Gosselin Divorse Papers Explained: People.com
Beware of reading too much in to the perfectly standard filings that have appeared so far, legal experts tell PEOPLE. About the only thing that is clear is that the couple, who married in 1999 and have eight kids, are opting for a no-fault divorce – the kind that lawyers like to call "divorce with dignity."
There are two grounds for a no-fault divorce request in Pennsylvania – Kate opted for both, which is also standard – and this is where the language in the filings, first reproduced on TMZ, gets technical and confusing. "The first is called 'mutual consent,' " Gold-Bikin says. That means that if, after 90 days, both sides officially agree the marriage is irretrievably broken, then the divorce can proceed.
The second ground states that if, two years from now, the grounds for divorce still hasn't been resolved by the spouses, then one party can file an affidavit alleging the marriage is irretrievably broken. At that point, the court appoints an official known as a master to hold a hearing and work out any unresolved financial issues.
Bottom line: I have seen WAY too many articles written by people that CLAIM they have been living apart for 2 years now, so their marriage must have been a lie. I wonder if they will retract any of that......
Kate Gosselins Book Release Postponed: New York Post
CHRISTIAN publisher Zonder van looks like it's going to postpone the debut date of Kate Gosselin's next book, "Love is in the Mix: Making Meals into Memories."It was due out in November.
Crooked Houses Score BIG on Jon & Kate, And Now Giving Back: CBS News.com
Turns out, Jon and Kate spread their success around. The playhouses they were talking about are called Crooked House Playhouses.
Skewed and cartoonish-looking, the playhouses feature twisted chimney pipes, catty corner roofs and sloping porches. They look as if a kid had designed and built them, and up until Monday night, very few people had heard of them.
But since the show featuring them aired, the Crooked Houses company has been one of the biggest searches on Google. The small concern of five people -- with only two full-time employees -- has been booming. Crooked Houses has also launched a program recently where 10 percent of all profits from every house sold will go toward underprivileged housing.
And Finally:
As I stated in my comments section, the shows line-up changes everyday. TLC decided just recently to pull the new episodes and save them for August. I decided to keep the descriptions up until I have the exact show dates. Obviously most were filmed prior.
Hasn't 90% of Hollywood been divorced, some multiple times? They all have kids and no one creates as many sites, or writes as many articles hating on them for splitting. In fact, many of them go away for weeks at a time for filming, and no one hates on them for leaving the kids with hired help.
ReplyDeletethanks for the update. I actually contacted Zondervan with a suggest to keep the book release on schedule, but to change some of the book jacket information. The woman I talked to said that she would forward my suggestion to the higher ups.
ReplyDeleteI loved the piece about the Crooked Houses....in this ecomony, it's a GREAT story, and maybe they'll just have to hire MORE people to keep up with demand. I love the listings for the upcoming episodes, and can't wait to see Kate camping with the kids....Keep up the GREAT work mama!!!
http://elitestv.com/pub/2009/06/celebrity-scales-the-%E2%80%98jon-kate%E2%80%99-sideshow-star-studded-legal-commentary-for-the-celebrity-obsessed
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Not a Gosselin bashing hate article, but definitely not complimentary either. Thought provoking . . . I know you won't post links without first verifying their content, so I will trust your judgement regarding the appropriateness of this article to your website.
Personally I don't see the big deal about Kate getting a boob job. Pregnancy can really ruin some nice breasts. That Radar article was asking if she had a boob job SINCE the black bikini pics. Personally I think she had one BEFORE the black bikini pics. If you see her in the past shows her boobs are much smaller. Even if she wore a padded bra in her shirts you can see her boobs in the bathing suit more and they are bigger.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, I don't care if she had one, but I do think she had one.
If people would stop posting pics of her in bikinis on their websites and blogs we'd probably not talk about it. As long as the pics are up, the boobs are up for discussion.
The Gosselin's newest statement:
ReplyDeleteDuring this very difficult time we will be working to focus solely on the needs of our family. This includes no longer commenting publicly or reacting to media stories and speculation. Our goal is to do the very best for our children and that will be done as privately as possible. We appreciate the understanding, support and well wishes from so many.
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Well it's about time! As much as I liked knowing the latest, it's about time they decided to really deal with it all privately. I'm glad someone finally told Kate to stop commenting.
Jon never said a negative word about Kate. Even on the divorce episode he didn't say anything bad about her or divulge any information. Kate, on the other hand spoke a lot about Jon. I was surprised. I wonder if Jon would do a tell-all book. I don't see it happening because it would hurt the children too much.
I noticed people commenting on Jon marrying Kate knowing what she was like. I don't think that's fair. You don't always know 100% what someone is like before you marry them. It's only after you live with them and the "honeymoon" phase is over that you see the real person. Not always, but maybe so in this case. It's not fair to say Jon knew what she was like. It is possible she was on her best behavior before they got married.
Also, it is possible she got worse. Or she changed once the show started. Personally, watching the show I saw they both changed. I think Jon changed because of Kate, while Kate changed because of the show and the fame.
Also people mentioned Jon had too many people telling him that him he shouldn't be treated the way he was by Kate. Maybe he did, but so what? It is true!
And he was not happy before anyway. Remember the toy store episode? He was mortified that she yelled like that at him in front of people. He told her so. And they discussed it on the show and he said she did it twice more and then she said but she hadn't done it since. And he agreed but was still annoyed.
However, she kept doing it on national television for millions to see knowing he didn't like it. Remember the coupon episode? Just because it was in the home and not out in a store or in public doesn't make it any better. Jon did NOT like it and said so several times. So you can't just blame others whispering in his ear, etc. At least not in my opinion.
Besides, it's possible he viewed some of the episode himself and didn't like what he saw. Again, we don't know... but I don't think it's right to assume Jon didn't mind being talked to the way Kate talked to him until others mentioned it to him, etc.
My thoughts on the postponement of the latest book. They are waiting until:
ReplyDelete1) the bad press on Kate goes away because she will catch hell if she goes on book signing tours leaving her children while in the middle of a divorce and/or the book won't sell well with all the bad press.
2) after the divorce is final so that the book profits only go to Kate and not Jon. Any money Kate makes before the divorce is half Jon's.
3) too much bad press overall and the "christian" publishing company wants nothing to do with Kate's new image in the media. The book may be postponed indefinitely.
Could be one of the above or all three. Any other options?
Oh and I'm glad for the Crooked House company. They seemed like really nice guys who took pride in their work. They were also very nice to the children.
ReplyDeletedhwh1993~ I appreciate the fact that you presented me the article and discussing it with me first, rather than others that try to sneak negative hateful articles though.
ReplyDeleteI found it to be very thought provoking, and not intend on intentionally hurting or attacking the family. And although I do not agree with a lot of what was stated, I kept it up for others to discuss.
dhwh1993 said...
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WOW! Great article! I agree with every sentence! Okay, except for this one: Jon and Kate were aware from the beginning of the murky waters they were jumping into with their children. They still dove in heads first.
To be 100% honest I don't think they knew EXACTLY what they were getting into when they did the first two specials and maybe even the first season. However, I do believe they continued with the show fully aware of what could happen, especially once they were experiencing problems. I too believe the money and fame was just too much (especially for Kate as far as the fame goes) for them to give up regardless of the cost.
I thought it was an excellent article.
Kate's HealthTex line has been put on hold:
ReplyDelete“Our project is on hold while she focuses on her family,” Healthtex representative Scott Pryzwansky confirmed to RadarOnline.com.
In an appearance on the Rachel Ray Show in May, Gosselin gave audience members a gift bag of treats including DVDs of Jon & Kate Plus 8, copies of her new book, and an adorable dress which Ray described as a “Healthtex outfit [Kate] helped design and create.”
While the fall clothing line is still available at Walmart, Gosselin’s involvement has come to a halt for the foreseeable future with no date for her return currently slated.
For all the comments that state Kate was overbearing with Jon or was mean to Jon, I'd just like to say -- who among us has never taken their stress regarding kid issues out on the only other adult in the house. The tabloids are constantly stating that Kate's "take-charge" nature drove Jon away.
ReplyDeleteI take issue with this statement. In a family of 10, someone had to take charge. Jon is laid back often times waiting for Kate to tell him what to do. This drives me nuts with my own spouse at times and we just have one kid.
Kate had to be super organized and have a system for everything otherwise the kids would have taken over! I don't like the way Kate spoke to Jon at times, but I'm also of the firm belief that if you don't like how you're being treated, then you have the responsibility to speak up about it and find a resolution. Jon went from passive husband to just throwing up his hands in disgust and walking away. How is that being a man??!!
The horrific haters from "that site" feel that they some how won because companies are giving Kate time to recover before publishing her book and dealing with her clothing line is ridiculous. I can't wait until Kate rebounds from this, her clothes do well and she has another best-selling book. Just to give a nice smug laugh to all those out there that think they could cheer over the hard time this family is having.
ReplyDeleteZonervan is re-working and as far as I have heard, WILL eventually put the cookbook out. As far as the clothing line, I hope that they do, when the dust has settled, go forward with it. I would never want to think that any of those horrible people think they won...
A message for the haters: Remember Martha Stewart?
ReplyDeleteUGH! WHAT LIES PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE UP PART 2
ReplyDeleteOk, so if I get one more comment from some troll telling me Kate is done I'm gonna loose it. As you may or may not know, the haters are doing the dance of joy thinking that Kate was dumped by Healthtex and her line was shelved because of the divorce announcement.
The Radar Link is here:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-kate-gosselin%E2%80%99s-clothing-project-hold
After Preesi's link was sent I went under a bit of investigating myself. Having worked in the clothing industry for several years, I was interested in the turnaround time, since people are "claiming" the clothes were quickly dumped overseas without Kate's name to get rid of them. This particular tank/dress was shelved BEFORE the announcement at the beginning of June. Turns out, Kate did not have the time to publicly promote the line before the end of June for The 4th of July Holiday.
http://befren.indonetwork.co.id/1340819/healthtex-dress-tank-top.htm
So Healthtex representative Scott Pryzwansky told RadarOnline.com. “Our project is on hold while she focuses on her family” this was before any announcement was made, and shortly after she was on The Rachel Ray Show. It was NOT because Kate announced her divorce on TV. You can't, within a week "DUMP" products overseas. It was a move by Healthtex a few weeks back to try to re-coup monies lost by not having enough time to properly advertise using Kate as a spokesperson at that time. ALSO: Walmart has not fully advertised Fall 09 for the Healthtex line. A sample of 3 styles for the line is currently up on their site. To watch the video of Kate showing the item on The Rachel Ray Show, go to this link and head straight to the 7:00 mark..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZx0qGgjzws
So when the lovely Preesi said "Kate IS DONE! Stick a fork in her! They even shipped the clothes shes shown in public overseas to bury them!HAHAHAHA!!!!" I think she needed to get her facts straight before running to a hate site thinking she uncovered some great Kate attack.. Nice try though!
Jen Santos said: I don't like the way Kate spoke to Jon at times, but I'm also of the firm belief that if you don't like how you're being treated, then you have the responsibility to speak up about it and find a resolution. Jon went from passive husband to just throwing up his hands in disgust and walking away. How is that being a man??!!
ReplyDeleteWith all respect, I was a passive wife who ended up walking away. I don't think it makes me less of a human being. Sometimes, you can't change people, or reason with irrational arguments.
Speaking generally to the group and not to Jen directly now, have you ever tried to stand up for yourself, or reason with someone, who NO MATTER WHAT, will not listen? After awhile, you stop trying. It is POINTLESS. It is a waste of energy. Some people think they are always right, and IMO, Kate falls into that category when it comes to the way she spoke with Jon. She offered him little in the way of respectful discussion. She preferred to have a one-sided discussion.
I've noticed that Kate rarely (never?) admits to being wrong. Her apologies always come with a justification to explain away her behavior.
I realize we're only privy to what was shown on the show, and with that in mind, I think most people would agree that Jon & Kate are in the best position to judge their relationship. Jon knows Kate better than pretty much anyone.
If he thinks she's changed from the person he once loved, to the point where he can't to LOOK at her or talk with her...well I've been there myself. When I decided to get out of my marriage, once the decision was made, it was over. There are different kinds of people and I feel an affinity with Jon. I tried 100% to keep my marriage together but when I realized my ex would never change, it was time to bail. Some people do not change, and if you ask them to try, they say "who the hell do you think you are, I'm awesome, and I'm not changing for YOU." And the only answer is divorce. I say have at it. My divorce was the best thing that ever happened to me. I was once passive, never standing up for myself, I didn't know any better.
Once I turned the page, it was like I was out of his shadow, and I literally had a new attitude almost overnight. It was ridiculous how fast it happened. I was letting the real "me" out into the world.
So I can understand Jon, I can relate to him. Maybe that is the reason Kate has always rubbed me the wrong way...she reminds me SO much of my ex. Her way or NO way, take it or leave it.
Now if they end up back together and this was a ratings gimmick?! I will be so furious. I'm already feeling like this show is stringing me along, with all the "teasers", etc.
Honestly I really hope they put the book out because ever since the first season I have wanted Kate to write a cookbook. She has so many good recipies and I would love to have some of them.
ReplyDeleteDidn't their show start out on Discovery Health? I didn't start watching until last summer on TLC. I quickly caught every episode from the beginning, and fining the show was one of the highlights of my summer. Even though it had been on for a few years, it wasn't until they were moved to a more basic cable network that all the media hoopla started. My point is, they really didn't know what they were getting into. There are a TON of cable reality shows on a myriad of channels and most of them go by without any media scrutiny. Especially since they started out on a channel that only premium digital cable or satellite subscribers would get, how could they know it would get so big? So all the articles and tv personalities saying that this is their own fault for going on tv- it's not.
ReplyDeleteMy comment wasn't posted. I was having problems with Explorer so I'm going to repost it today. If I don't see it up I will know it wasn't Explorer. Sorry Baby Mama to recomment it if you already decided against posting it for some reason.
ReplyDeleteJen Santos said:
ReplyDeleteJon went from passive husband to just throwing up his hands in disgust and walking away. How is that being a man??!!
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We don't really know that. There were a few times that Jon stood up to Kate on the show and we don't know what went on between Seasons 4 and 5. Maybe he did try. We don't know.
The few times he did stand up for her on the show and even in interviews she reamed into him. No matter what he said or did she would always make it his fault. If she went off on a tantrum it was his fault for not stopping her. It was his fault for not protecting her from other people seeing her freak out. Kate refused to take responsibility for her actions.
And Kate WAS mean to Jon. She was very rude and yelled at him, not just a few times, but a lot. She also spoke to him like he was a child. She had little respect for her husband, if any. There is NO excuse for that. And no, I don't yell at my husband or speak to him in a demeaning way. Even if I get slightly annoyed I'm not disrespectful.
Everyone is always saying he should be a "christian head" of the family, etc. Yes, he should, but Kate just wouldn't let him. She would only let him take the lead if he did things her way. His way wasn't good enough for her.
As a "christian wife" she should have let him do things his way and support him. If they didn't work out then they could have discussed what they should do differently the next time. And that should be done without the "I told you so" attitude.
Everyone wants to throw around the "christian husband" term but leave out the "christian wife" part. She should have had respect for him. She didn't. Regardless of his passive ways, he was good to her. And he was an excellent father.
As a "christian wife" she would still maintain the household in an organized manner. That would still be her responsibility. There was no reason why she couldn't do that and still let Jon make decisions. Jon always said she was good at that. There's a difference between maintaining the house and family in an organized manner and taking over the headship of a household.
Regardless, she was mean to him. She was very hard on him over the past ten years of their marriage. She said so herself.
What I'd like to know is what was Jon supposed to do? How was Jon supposed to take control of the marriage and take the lead as the husband and still make Kate happy? It would only work if Kate stopped taking the lead. I don't think she is able give up that role. She is a control freak. If they could each stick to their roles in a "christian family" they wouldn't have the problems they have. Any suggestions?
Min:
ReplyDeleteGood for you! It's not good for a person to stay in that kind of relationship. It's especially hard when children are involved. The father has no say in how the children are treated or raised. If he sees something unfair or wrong his say really doesn't matter. You have to be a really strong person to stand up to the spouse because they don't take standing up against them lightly. They see it as defiance. My father is still in that kind of relationship... for over 40 years. He has Jon written all over his face.
Baby Mama: Thank you - I appreciate the fact that you, while obviously a supporter of Kate, the family and the continuation of the show itself, are able to remain open minded to those who have a different opinion of the situation. And in all honesty, that singular fact is what draws me to your website versus others. You are to be commended for encouraging intelligent debate on the subject. Personally, I believe that the show should NOT continue; televising the on-going marital problems of the parents is NOT in the best interests of anyone, not Jon and Kate, and not the kids. However, the fact that I don’t agree with their decisions regarding the show, does in no way mean that I harbor any ill will towards them in any way. I don’t care whether or not Jon has his ears pierces, whether or not Kate had any type of breast enhancement surgery, I don’t care if Mady wears dangly earrings, I don’t care if they play in the driveway or the front yard. Continued discussion of any of those topics only serves to detract from the bigger issues. Divorce is difficult and painful for everyone involved, and trying to negotiate all of the potential emotional landmines is hard enough to deal with in private; no one in the family needs the added burden of having all of us watching while they try to find their way. Jon and Kate’s decision to pull back from the media spotlight is the only decision they’ve made recently that truly has a ring of truth to it, when applied to their oft quoted phrase “we do it for our kids.” Again – that’s simply my opinion, most certainly not a statement of fact.
ReplyDelete"SchmeckyGirl said...Personally I don't see the big deal about Kate getting a boob job.... I don't care if she had one, but I do think she had one....If people would stop posting pics of her in bikinis on their websites and blogs we'd probably not talk about it. As long as the pics are up, the boobs are up for discussion."
ReplyDeleteFunny - very funny! In reading the various comments on SO MANY different sites, I haven't found alot to laugh about. Mostly it's just junior high girl behavior attacking each others' appearance, name calling, etc. And mostly it just makes me sad. But "as long as the pics are up, the boobs are up" (for discussion) made me laugh out loud. I agree with your entire commentary, Schmeckygirl. Thanks for the best giggle of the day!
Clarification regarding divorce law in Pennsylvania: a few people have offered, on various threads, discussion on the Gosselin’s potential property settlement issues. PA is NOT a community property state. Community property states split marital assets 50-50 right down the middle. In PA, if a property settlement cannot be reached between the couple, and the court has to step in to settle things, basically the judge can split it any way they choose. Each party would have the opportunity to argue their case, as to why they believe they are entitled to the property they are arguing for, and then an outside arbitrator decides who gets what.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting point, Min. I appreciate you sharing it and in all honesty I never considered it from that perspective. It even sheds some light on Jon's actions.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree it's hard thing to judge from the outside. They shoot 3 days worth of video and edit it down to 22 minutes. We really don't know what's going on the rest of the time. Our glimpse into their lives is exactly that, a glimpse. Who's to say, except Jon and Kate who are living it.
I just watched "Cara's Day" and the episode of them in NC, and you could still clearly see the love between them and that was only last year I don't get it!! It makes ya think if they were having problems were they hiding them? Where they trying to work through them? Did we just see them on a good day?? I don't know anymore it seems like it came out of left field, Season 5 was good until that last episode after he had already been in his first tabloid magazine, but they were still together on the couch communicating. Then they had a 2 month break and they come back and they aren't even speaking. I think that's the hardest part for a lot of us is that it seems like it happened over night. It makes me think about marriage if you can go from being happy to divorce that quick it's really scary....
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning of this mess they said Kate didn't want anything to do with counseling but now they're saying Jon didn't he just wanted OUT. I also wonder about what her brother and his wife said not that I think they are 100% trust worthy considering they sold there family out on TV and online interviews, but it struck me that instead of bashing Jon cause he's not family they put it on Kate saying she told Jon it was over and he was devastated. At first I didn't believe this but now looking at Jon's attitude he seems so angry at her maybe it's because she wanted out and after awhile he moved on and now he's the one who looks like the bad guy who cheated on his wife while she was out working and taking care of 8 kids. I just remember him saying he didn't cheat on Kate he knows what he knows and she knows what she knows could he have been talking about her calling it quits months before?? Who know I just guess my mind is trying to figure something out cause we'll probably never really know the 100% truth behind this whole situation.
It's just really sad and watching these old episodes makes it worst cause they look happy.
Despite what a lot of people think of her, I love Kate.
ReplyDeleteWell I think for me, I feel confused about it because Kate and Jodi both said, "oh that's just how they are", remember jodi defending their bickering in earlier seasons as "that's just jon and kate" and Kate even said that's just the way they are as well. so you just assumed it worked for them but apparently it didn't. i wondered all along how that type of relationship could work w/ all the belittling (not that I think jon was perfect, i'm sure he had his fair share of flaws that maybe well all didn't see). but essentially it was always presented as the way they were, well apparently the way they were wasn't as rock solid as we thought or maybe it was but the bickering chipped away at it.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is that the media is now focused on the death of MJ and leaving the Gosselin's alone. Frankly, I think MJ was a criminal who got away...but at least the heat is off for this family. I hope Kate knows that there are people who support her - I have not purchased her books but will if it will help. I would love to see her clothing line. I shop at The Loft too (although only the sale racks). She's really pulled herself together (style-wise) and I hope she has enough left to move on to bigger and better things. I also hope her career continues in whatever form it takes. Once a fan, always a fan.
ReplyDeleteBabyMama-I hope things have settled down for you as well. Best of luck in your new job....
HOLLI DAY~ Thank you for the words of encouragement. Although I am saddened by the loss of some wonderful people, it has taken the heat off this family a bit and that's good. I applauded the fact that they took a step back, ignored the media, and for a moment stepped out of the spotlight. I am encouraged by the fact that they are spending this weekend as a family. I hope that they have a great 4th of July together.
ReplyDeleteZondervan, for the record, is stating that they "still intend" to publish Kate's cookbook when a better time is chosen. I'm assuming they too are waiting to see how this all plays out. I guess this will give them time to re-vamp the books jacket and certain aspects inside.
I noticed on their website under Devotionals, Kate was going to post a bible verse per week for a year starting last Labor day... she only got to October. Did they move in the fall?
ReplyDeleteWe didn't see the new house til 2009. When we see them getting along "just last year" we (including me) have a hard time remembering the timeline of real life versus when the shows aired. I don't recall shows filmed in the winter this past season. They went from new house episodes(with Jon getting yelled at for not using a coupon) to breakup.
I know not much was shown about their christian life cause thats not what TLC wanted to focus on but you think in personal interviews recently Kate would have mention how her faith was helping her thru.
Another interesting article.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/07/02/kate-gosselin-a-popular-brand-self-destructs/
Jen~ Thanks for such a great, revealing article. Of course, any title that assumes "self-destruction" wasn't something this Kate fan would publish. But when you read great insight it's hard to ignore....I plan on making this article my next discussion post.
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ReplyDeleteJon never said a negative word about Kate. Even on the divorce episode he didn't say anything bad about her or divulge any information. Kate, on the other hand spoke a lot about Jon. I was surprised. I wonder if Jon would do a tell-all book. I don't see it happening because it would hurt the children too much
Besides, it's possible he viewed some of the episode himself and didn't like what he saw. Again, we don't know... but I don't think it's right to assume Jon didn't mind being talked to the way Kate talked to him until others mentioned it to him, etc.
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Schmecky, Jon chose to marry Kate. He loved her. He chose to have 8 kids. He chose his life, regardless of how young he was (as he's claimed quite a few times on the show..."I was just 24 when they were born", "I'm only 32".)
It is quite possible that Jon did indeed get caught up in the wrong crowd. I certainly would not want my husband and father of eight, to be hanging out with 20 something women and being caught by pictures in the tabloids. He made incredible bad judgements and choices for a father. A person who is supposed to be putting his family first and that means emotionally as well as physically and financially. Are you telling me Schmecky that he put his family first in these ways these past six months? Kate had every right to say what she did regarding the bad choices. And, by the way, she was just answering the interviewer's question when she answered with the fact that "Jon made incredbile bad judgements lately, those that I do not want my husband and father of my children to have made." (paraphrasing...it was almost what she said). Kate never put him down. Not in that interview, the People magazine articles, or anywhere. She also chose to say "no comment" or "I am not discussing that".
It is also quite possible, and most likely, that Kate had to always put forth direction in that house because he never stepped up to the plate. Even when they were on their way San Diego, she pleaded with him to lead the way. He refused to even lead the way in an airport. What does that tell you?
When you say Kate did all of this for the world to see, you are forgetting that this show is a very edited show? Of course they're going to put in the arguemtns.
Schmecky, you must be reading the tab magazines and haven't watched the show, because he is the one who refused counseling. If he would've turned away Deanna and all those temptations and remembered "oh yeah, I'm a husband", none of this would've escalated to what it is now.
Not to say she didn't have anything to do with it, but it is clear that he checked out of the marriage and no amount of "she pushed him" justifies it. A couple who are truly committed to each other works out their problems PRIVATELY and they do it with prayer and counseling BEFORE anything escalates. A person who truly honors their vows doesn't hang out with people who he knows will bring apart his marriage. I believe Jon isn't that stupid to not realize that.
The haters just want to spin this truth. It's what they do, spin, spew forth lies, etc.
ReplyDeleteShmeckyGirl: I agree that both sides need to take responsibility for the relationship but apparently Jon didn't lead by insisting on counseling for both of them when he began having doubts about their relationship. If he was failing to communicate directly to her about how she treated him that's when he should have insisted on counseling. But instead, it doesn't sound like he was desirous enough to save the marriage. He just wanted out.
ReplyDeleteJon & Kate have filed for divorce.
ReplyDeleteThey aren't seeking counseling. So please, can we just trust that THEY know their own relationship better than WE do?
Sometimes when relationships end; it's because you fall OUT of love. There is NO LOVE to save or recapture, because people change. They change beyond your wildest dreams.
Your spouse can turn into someone you would NEVER want to be married to, and they LIKE the new person they've turned into. Counseling isn't going to make me want to stay married to someone I cannot stand to look at, who treats me with no respect. That is my perspective.
I don't blame Jon for not wanting counseling; Kate is rather mean. Guess what happens when you treat your spouse like Kate does? It starts with a D.
I'll just say that there are two sides to every story - two sides to a marriage, two sides to a divorce. And I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that this is an EDITED show. Quite honestly, it is the conflict that brings in the record numbers in ratings. It is to TLC's benefit to edit to play up conflict and down play any cooperation. I do think that Kate contributed to the problems, but so did Jon. There is no excuse for infidelity (Jon), and there is also no excuse for displaying blatant disrespect - which is what Kate did on an on going basis. Kate has publically blamed Jon for the divorce, and Jon has kept his mouth shut. Personally I think they both should have kept their mouths shut from the beginning. Kate is deluding herself if she truly believes that the cameras did not play a part in their problems. Simply the fact that Jon did not want to continue with the show illustrates that point. And Kate has consistantly replied that the show must go on. They both should have responded to any of the questions asked with a simple "no comment", they should have shut off the cameras at the first hint of discord in their marriage, and should have gone to counseling. I blame both of them for giving up too easily. But the show must go on!
ReplyDeleteSamantha said:
ReplyDeleteSchmecky, you must be reading the tab magazines and haven't watched the show, because he is the one who refused counseling. If he would've turned away Deanna and all those temptations and remembered "oh yeah, I'm a husband", none of this would've escalated to what it is now.
Not to say she didn't have anything to do with it, but it is clear that he checked out of the marriage and no amount of "she pushed him" justifies it. A couple who are truly committed to each other works out their problems PRIVATELY and they do it with prayer and counseling BEFORE anything escalates. A person who truly honors their vows doesn't hang out with people who he knows will bring apart his marriage. I believe Jon isn't that stupid to not realize that.
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I have watched every single episode since the first special. Some more than once.
They have never specifically mentioned counseling on the show that I recall or can find. Some reports say Kate refused it. Some say Jon did. The People magazine with the Kate interview didn't mention Jon refusing couseling either. There has not been any official statement regarding counseling and whether or not they had any or want any.
I don't know how you can say that no matter how she treated him doesn't justify him not staying in the marriage. And Kate herself said that their marriage was on the rocks for a long time before those pics came out of Jon with Deanna. And we do not know that Jon didn't try to work it out with Kate for the last year or so. Maybe he did. Maybe Kate didn't think she had to change and only wanted Jon to change. We do not know.
I do NOT agree with Jon hanging out with college girls myself, but if their marriage was over, even if they were not offically divorced, what really is the difference? That the public knows? Personally I think that's better than all the pretending they were doing for the last year or so. At least it's honest. At least it's out in the open.
I personally believe that if Jon were more discreet they would have continued the show as a married couple raising their kids and just explaining away why each spouse wasn't in an episode, etc.
SchmeckyGirl said...
ReplyDeleteI do NOT agree with Jon hanging out with college girls myself, but if their marriage was over, even if they were not offically divorced, what really is the difference? That the public knows? Personally I think that's better than all the pretending they were doing for the last year or so. At least it's honest. At least it's out in the open
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The difference is that he is supposed to be a role model for those boys. That's who they learn from on how to treat women and respect them...their dad. Children learn from example and most often from their own parents and they specifically learn and emulate their gender parent. He should've been more respective of how his actions, regardless of whether there were problems in the marriage, affects his children.
You point blankedly state "perhaps she got worse". Your assumption that it was Kate's bossing Jon all these years that led to this isn't quite accurate. We certainly don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Sure, she has her issues, but he has his, too. They should've dealt with this years ago. Perhaps his laidback side wouldn't have been bossed around so much on tv by his wife.
As far as all the "pretending"...that's their business. Viewers and fans don't need to know everything about their relationship. If they chose to not deal with it on camera, and only did so because of all the tabloids, then so be it. Respect their privacy.
Samantha said:
ReplyDeleteThe difference is that he is supposed to be a role model for those boys. That's who they learn from on how to treat women and respect them...their dad. Children learn from example and most often from their own parents and they specifically learn and emulate their gender parent.
There are two sides to that coin.
If the girls learn how to treat their husbands by watching Kate, and emulating her...well; she treats Jon with little respect. This is not only my opinion of the show, she herself admitted she regretted her treatment of him, in the season premiere.
Samantha said: They should've dealt with this years ago. Perhaps his laidback side wouldn't have been bossed around so much on tv by his wife.
I find it sad that anyone would choose to find fault with someone being "laidback" instead of the one DOING the bossing. Do you blame your own kid for being a pushover if he gets bullied, or do you blame the bully?
Samantha said: As far as all the "pretending"...that's their business. Viewers and fans don't need to know everything about their relationship.
Wow really? I'd be quite annoyed if they pretended to be a happy couple just to keep the show going. I think the churches they speak at would be more than irritated at that prospect.
When it comes to Jon & Kate, it seems like opinions will always be skewed by which "team" a person is on, if indeed a side has been chosen. I know I'm guilty of finding fault quite easily where Kate is concerned. I just don't think she's very kind. And I wish she'd let her kids be kids; if I took away all my childhood memories that included mud, markers, or grass stains?!? That WAS my childhood! :-)
Samantha said...
ReplyDelete...The difference is that he is supposed to be a role model for those boys. That's who they learn from on how to treat women and respect them...their dad. Children learn from example and most often from their own parents and they specifically learn and emulate their gender parent. He should've been more respective of how his actions, regardless of whether there were problems in the marriage, affects his children.
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Excellent point, Samantha - so what does that say about Kate? From what you said (and I very much agree with your statement) that children learn by example. So then Kate is demonstrating to her daughters that they do not need to show respect to their future husbands!?!
No, we do not know what goes on behind closed doors; but we do know what has been shown on television - and is that not worse? That she has no problem with treating her husband disrespectfully in PUBLIC? Even if the kids are not witness to those specific actions, or perhaps if they do not remember clearly, being so very young ... they have it on video tape, to refer to.
I'm sorry - I honestly do not dislike Kate, I feel she is a good mother (and Jon is a good father). But I do not have any respect for her as a woman, as a wife. Nor do I have respect for Jon as a man, as a husband. In this situation, both parents have shown by example, very poor role models for their children in reference to what a healthy marriage, relationship, should be like.
min said...
ReplyDeleteThere are two sides to that coin.
If the girls learn how to treat their husbands by watching Kate, and emulating her...well; she treats Jon with little respect. This is not only my opinion of the show, she herself admitted she regretted her treatment of him, in the season premiere.
With what we have seen on tv, then perhaps that would happen. My post focus was addressing Jon above as the man who knowingly went out on his wife and family. Thus, I think he has shown a very poor example for his boys. I had no intent on talking about Kate.
Just because I addressed Jon as a poor example, and I believe the reason for the media circus that now follows them because of that first "caught" picture, does not mean that Kate is not at fault. My post was mainly on Jon's horrible lack of judgement. I chose to write about Jon's terrible judgement that put his family in the way of the media hounds. I chose not to write about Kate's issues. It's Jon's that I chose to write about, but yes, there are two sides to every coin.
I find it sad that anyone would choose to find fault with someone being "laidback" instead of the one DOING the bossing.
Why are you reading in too much with what I wrote? He should've stood up to his wife more and in private told her it embarrasses him. Perhaps using the word laidback was wrong. I should've said lack of ambition.
Do you blame your own kid for being a pushover if he gets bullied, or do you blame the bully
I'd tell my kid to stand up for himself. What a stupid question min. Stop being a bully.
Wow really? I'd be quite annoyed if they pretended to be a happy couple just to keep the show going. I think the churches they speak at would be more than irritated at that prospect.
It's not our business to know ALL their business. If they choose to share something, great, but it's not written in stone that they have to. And, with the shows lately, I think they have done a lot of explaining about not being a happy couple. If the media hounds weren't out and didn't catch Jon, who knows what we would see on the show. Maybe, they'd be happy...or maybe they'd truly show their relationship crumbling. We just happened to have found out the hard way. Who knows what the producers at TLC had planned (if this didn't happen) and in how they were going to present something that would've naturally surfaced (their growing apart)as opposed to Jon's roving ways splashing it out.
July 6, 2009 8:45 PM