Hello Gosselin fans! Sorry this was a late post. All the video you will ever need! (lol) The kids are home, and I have not gotten a moment to myself today.. And even though Hubby took the day off. I'm finally getting out while the baby naps at 3pm! Sad really..
UPDATE: Since so many people have emailed me regarding the Jon & Hailey "fake" IMO breakup, I wanted you guys to see it ..Because I don't have enough videos here..(lol)Kate: Her Story
You Ask Kate Answers: Funny bonus footage that even fans can chuckle at
Jon Gosselin Dissusses Hardships & Fame With Rabbi Schmuley
Jon Gosselin & Hailey Glassman "Break Up?" On ET
I would say to Kate:
ReplyDeleteRemember the oft repeated (by Oprah) Maya Angelou quote: When someone shows you who they are - believe them.
And also, I would say: Don't forget what you know.
Jon has morphed into a sneaky backstabber who delights in Kate's pain and in people trying to cause her pain. I think he has bi-polar disorder and multiple personality disorder.
EnJoY YoUr Ill-GoTTeN GaiNs, HG: The rings, the boobs, the Porsche SUV... I don't buy your victim routine for one second. You and Jon have shown the entire world how you love to conspire to deceive.
We see you.
Loved, loved, loved the latest Kate interview with Morales!! I already supported Kate, but last night, I gained a new respect for her. Tough questions were asked and answered with grace and dignity. Kate's answers were thoughtful and respectful of her children and the Jon that once was. I look forward to what TLC and Kate has for us in the future.
ReplyDeleteI watched the show last night I thought it was pretty good. She did half answer a lot of questions but to me its really none of our business.. Oh and on the thing that she let her brother take the blame it was obvious she was talking about when they were really little. B/c she said " Katie not do it I did it" she said it in a little kid voice.. I think she was just trying to describe that they were close growing up and now he let her down and went against her. And the church thing. I really think its b/c divorce is against the bible and she is ashamed and weather people want to admit it or not people at church do judge! I don't think she should be forced or pushed into going to church when you don't even have to be a good christian to go to church!! I think Jon is the one that needs help with his morals! I did find it interesting that Natalie asked her about Hailey and how Jon "abuses" her and Kate just kind of smiled and I could tell she wanted to say something but didn't..Like duh he is an A$$ and did it to me to.. I don't know this is all a mess and Kate is right though she did NOTHING to get the media started on her Jon did it! And yes she could stop the show which it has and guess what they still follow her and the kids?? What difference does it make? I honestly feel like people are just jealous of her and the money and no they can't relate to her b/c they are not walking in her shoes they are just throwing stones!
ReplyDeleteI didn't think this was some ground-breaking interview, but there was a couple things that I'm glad Kate finally spoke about:
ReplyDelete1.I was glad to hear Kate finally talk (some) about her family. I think she said all anyone really needs to know. Details of exactly what happened are not our business. That is personal information, and truly, if she wanted to, she could just not say anything at all, which she hasn't thus far. But it was nice to hear her acknowledge the situation and clear some of the air, saying that yes, it is probably more because of her that her parents aren't really around the kids. As a person with family issues, I totally understand, and she thinks she is doing the best thing for her kids to keep a distant relationship. I can attest that sometimes, that's just the case. She said they are very different; I can relate. Those differences, in my situation, are valid differences which compromise the morals & values I wish to instill in my children. So I can only imagine that it's a somewhat similar feeling for her.
2. I was also surprised that she has not spoken to Jon about who he brings around the kids, dating wise. I can see that I'm sure it's a hard subject for her to discuss (esp. with him) but I think if I was her, I would be more angry than anything and one of the first things I'd do is scream & yell at him about who he's bringing home. lol Wouldn't be pretty! But I think she SHOULD have an adult conversation with Jon about it, bc they ARE her kids, and I would want to know exactly who my kids were around & who was in/at my house, etc...
umm and there was something else I wanted to comment on, but I forgot! I'll get back to ya! lol
Oh please Jon... don't try to sell a stay-at-home mom on the "feel sorry for me" card with the "I don't feel appreciated because I don't have a job." We aren't parents because we are looking for a pat on the back...
ReplyDeleteI feel Jon's interview with the rabbi should have been kept personal like it was counciling or something.??? I am confused to what Jon is expecting to accomplish with this guy.
ReplyDeleteI liked Kates' show, but am wondering if Kate ment that Mady said that she liked the old Jon better.?? If Mady did say that, then Kate's been talking out in front of the Kids and she should not. I have to watch my recording later, because i can't sit here, not feeling well. cu
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http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/kate-her-story-deleted-scenes-kate-on-being-famous.html?smid=FBJK8-FWP-VAP
ReplyDeleteTLC has added some deleted scenes from the interview to the website. I think they're very good- especially the one about the paparazzi.
Georgia Peach- You are dead on with that diagnosis. I commented on a past post about Jon being Bipolar. I see alot of the same things in him I seen with my niece. And lets not forget Britney Spears very public meltdown, diagnosis, Bipolar Disorder. Jon seems to be following in her footsteps very closely. Several different lovers, always letting the paps know what he is doing, several admissions of "I'm cured and I'm sorry", changing religions, and an open display of everything he does with no consideration of his children seeing it, and turning to people that will do more harm than help(Rabbi,Lohan, Hellers,Kevin and Jodi). It is just all to bizarre.
ReplyDeleteI was also surprised that she has not spoken to Jon about who he brings around the kids, dating wise. I can see that I'm sure it's a hard subject for her to discuss (esp. with him) but I think if I was her, I would be more angry than anything and one of the first things I'd do is scream & yell at him about who he's bringing home. lol Wouldn't be pretty! But I think she SHOULD have an adult conversation with Jon about it, bc they ARE her kids, and I would want to know exactly who my kids were around & who was in/at my house, etc...
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From personal experience I can tell you that neither has a whole lot of say as to who the dates and has with them when they see the kids - my kids where young at the time of my divorce - their father used to take them with him to see his married girlfriend who would then go home to her husband and kids - as long as the kids where not mistreated the courts said I had no say in who he saw and he had no say in who I saw - crazy but the way it is
I thought that the interview really humanized Kate. At the end of the day, none of us really know her, but I think she comes across as someone who has her issues (who doesn't) but who deeply loves her children and is trying very hard to do right by them.
ReplyDeleteI agree that she was still a bit vague in some of her answers, but I think some things she couldn't talk about because she was trying not to disparage Jon. I noticed she was very careful not to blame him, although she did come close when talking about the paparazzi.
I do take issue with another poster's comment about Kate making such a big deal about bed rest. I disagree and think that 6 months of complete bed rest is a VERY hard and selfless thing to do. She was basically confined to a hospital bed for six months, all the while worrying that anything she did might trigger a miscarriage. It's like being a ticking bomb. I would not wish that upon anyone.
About Morales pushing Kate re: bringing it (paparazzi, tabloids) upon herself and her children - I think that is a bit unfair:
ReplyDeleteYes, K did put her family out in the public eye by choosing to appear on the show and doing speaking engagements, book tours, etc. However, not every public figure is tabloid fodder. A show about toddlers is hardly the kind of salacious gossip that tabloids like to report on. She had no way of knowing her husband would start acting like a horny teenager when they signed up to do the show. As she pointed out, there was virtually no paparazzi for four seasons of the show.
So, yes it's true that she took that risk, but in weighing the risks against the benefits, I think it would have been easy to think that the risks were low and the benefits high.
Jon Gosselin Storms Out of Interview With Hailey Glassman
ReplyDeleteMore drama for Jon Gosselin and his "semi-single" girlfriend Hailey Glassman.
In a joint interview airing Wednesday on Entertainment Tonight, the two argue over the future of their relationship.
"We're going to take a break and decide," Jon, 32, says. "We'll let Hailey decide on what she wants to do. ... My life is so hectic right now I have to concentrate on my own decisions. ... Maybe she wants to go get a job. Maybe she wants to date other people. Maybe she wants to experience life? Live on her own and do her own things. I don't know. If I was 22, I would probably want a break too, because it is so much."
But Hailey says whenever she tries to leave Jon, "he cries."
"As hard as it is for us, he needs to go handle his stuff, be with his family and handle his divorce, and I need to go and be a 22-year-old and get my life back," she says.
Jon says he has to let Hailey go "in order for her to be happy, especially if she thinks he has been "emotionally abusing her."
Says Jon, "I cannot live with that guilt."
At one point in the interview, it appears they are ending things for good.
"I don't want to do this on national TV -- this is serious," says Hailey.
Jon shoots back, "I wanted to discuss this in private, but now it's public. I'm getting frustrated, because it's uncomfortable. This whole thing's uncomfortable. I don't like it. I mean, you're telling me out there that you love me and you want to be with me, and then you..."
"I do love you, and you tell me you love me -- we would love each other and we want to be with each other, but it's not healthy!" Hailey responds.
"I'm not talking anymore," says Jon.
Hailey then brings up Jon's kids, telling him: "Don't you want them to look up to you and say, 'My daddy's honest?'" Outraged, Jon fires back, "I'm not talking about this," and then storms off.
SarahRDH- I thought Kate was referring to not discussing with Jon his dating choices or choice of whom he dates. I'm not sure she was talking about whom he brings to the house. But, I may be completely confused.
ReplyDeleteI watched ET tonight and the part2 of the Mary Hart, Hailey, +Jon interview. I'm not sure what I believe there? If it's true, Hailey was talking every bit as harsh to Jon as Kate did in the past, along with pretty much making him look like an idiot IMO. She's a very young 22; he's a very immature 32. I'd say if he does love her, let her go to pursue her education and dreams. I can't imagine her ever as a stepmother to 8 children. Good heavens the difference in age betweenthe twins and Hailey is about the same difference as that between Hailey and Jon.
ReplyDeleteI hope Jon can find happiness in the future since I surely hope Kate can find happiness and peace. I think the sad thing is I don't think Jon has a clue how to find what will make him happy. I have a feeling that another 6-8 months down the road Jon will wake up, really look in the mirror, and wonder what in the heck made him go in the directions he's gone.
Helen said:
ReplyDeleteI do take issue with another poster's comment about Kate making such a big deal about bed rest. I disagree and think that 6 months of complete bed rest is a VERY hard and selfless thing to do. She was basically confined to a hospital bed for six months, all the while worrying that anything she did might trigger a miscarriage. It's like being a ticking bomb. I would not wish that upon anyone.
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I apologize if I offended anyone with my bed rest comment. I'm just tired of hearing her say it over and over in so many interviews. I just do not see what that has to do with the fact that she insists on keeping her children in the public's eye for money. One doesn't cancel out the other.
Also, I'm not sure how true it is because I didn't read the book but I read on the Z on TV website (in a comment) that she was only on bedrest in the hospital for about 10 weeks according to her book. Why the difference of 13 weeks?
6 months of bedrest? Look at her book, page 51. She says she went into the hospital to start bedrest on 3/7/04. The tups were born 5/10/04.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's nitpicking to break down Kate's comments and discuss them. I feel not enough people on here comment on everything she says. I also think a lot of people overlook a lot of what she says and does because they like her.
ReplyDeleteAs for lying (Shelly), yes, I think Jon has lied. I also think Kate has lied. I just think she's better at it. I also think that she lies by ommission, so that she's not technically lying. Then there's "I don't remember". I also think they both contradict themselves. Again, Jon in a more obvious way.
I just don't understand why some people here take it so personally when something negative is said about Kate. I'm not emotionally invested in her or Jon so I don't take whatever people say about them personally. I don't hate Kate and I don't hate Jon. I actually feel nothing for either of them. Pkay, maybe a little pity because they both seem so lost, but not much because I feel they both brought it upon themselves. They could have had it all but lost sight of what was important. Other than that I only care what happens to them for the sake of their children. I care about the children.
As for people telling me to analyze Jon instead, I'm an equal opportunity analyzer. I have discussed Jon and his comments and actions. My last comment was that I'm pretty much done trying to figure him out. With Schmuley at the synagogue and Hailey on The Insider, it was just too much for me. I have no insight on his thinking process. I don't get it. I think Jon needs to stay away from the media and his "advisers". He needs to find a good therapist and non-media loving attorney. I also hope he concentrates on being a father and getting a real job.
meme to 3 boys: I enjoyed your comment in the last post. I didn't want to copy and paste it here but I enjoyed reading it. You made good points.
ReplyDeleteI do not know how many times we can say the same thing over and over again....Jon wants to know why he is famous? He is famous for being a lying loser. Hailey even says that he is a liar. He twitters about Kate and when they started having problems...yet he says that he does not want to mess up with Hailey, like he messed up with Kate....what's that supposed to mean? He says that he wants to do the right thing and the next minute he is throwing Kate under the bus. He has no self control. Even the interview on ET with Hailey was totally bizarre. He has real real problems.
ReplyDeleteLinda,
ReplyDeleteI would just like to clarify that what I post here I don't post for the trolls. Although if you know any trolls that are willing to pay me to post here please let me know! ;)
Also, I understand the bodyguard out in public... but in the interview room/set? I just thought that was weird because what threat would there be there? He's a paid bodyguard, he can sit outside the door and guard.
raemikaye~ Once again, I think people take Kate's comments way too literal. When she mentions six months of bed rest, it wasnt all in the hospital..she did say in the past that she tried to stay home as long as she could to be with the twins.
ReplyDeleteFrom Radar:
"Kate Gosselin and TLC continue to soldier on without Jon. As the ratings for the Monday night special Kate: Her Story show, the Kate-centered format has helped the network. The special garnered 3.8 million viewers, an increase from the prior week."
Jon stated on his twitter that Kate slipped up and admitted they split up a year ago... I don't remember her saying that, or anything to that effect. Did I miss something? Jon said he read the transcript. Maybe it didn't air?
ReplyDeleteThe Bodyguard is probably with her to lend her emotional support as she has said that he and his family are part of her small group of friends that support her...and really why does that even matter. Why do we need to pick apart and over analyze everything that Kate does and says. Jon is the one that needs to be analyzed and dissected under a microscope. Or is that impossible because he is walking contradiction.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting the whole show, BabyMama!
ReplyDeleteKate's interview was revealing for everything she wouldn't go into. There are some serious family issues there and I think it's so noble of her to keep them private and leave her siblings and parents their privacy. Also very telling was when she changed topic about Jon potentially cheating on her. I'm suprised in every interview how diplomatic she is and unwilling to slam Jon or air anyone's dirty laundry. Can you imagine how much restraint that would take?
To whomever commented about the bodyguard in the room - he may have been there for moral support. The interviewer was quite agressive at times.
SchmeckyGirl: Kate's not saying that her doing everything to make sure the sextuplets came to term "cancels out" the negativity brought upon her family by tabloids.
In her interviews, she's using the pregnancy ordeal as an example of how she prioritizes her children 100% and would never do anything to jeopardize their health or happiness. She's using this example in face of questions about whether the show is harmful to them. I'm sure she wouldn't repeatedly use this argument if she weren't repeatedly asked the same thing. I, personally, think it's as good an argument as any she could possibly come up with.
SchmeckyGirl - 1. Kate was in the hospital for 10 weeks bed rest, yes you are right. 2. BUT, she was on bedrest at home beginning at 2 months of pregnancy. There were 7 babies to begin with; one was lost along the way. After trying the at home bedrest, she was moved to the hospital as the danger increased.
ReplyDeleteYou are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am now a Kate supporter and my admiration for her becomes stronger with each passing week. At one time I was a Jon supporter but I just can't do that now. The best I can do is wish him well.
If you aren't happy in a marriage and want to pursue others, get your divorce first. Last I heard, he still doesn't have one.
If you believe a spouse is cheating and have proof from a PI or other means; really want to zing your spouse and go to the media, it's low but it's done. To go to ROL and say your spouse is cheating, know that you have no proof but your hurt feelings, and then later make a statement that "yeah you and Hailey started that rumor" and then laugh about it? That isn't low, that's sick and feels morally reprehensible too. He only lied about it to get rid of some of the heat on him.
Why was there a bodyguard? Because of the paparazzi Jon inflected on his whole family. Kate's bodyguard escorted her to the interview location and to the subsequent public walk where they demonstrated how much the paps hound her. His job is to protect her to and from events.
Your comments her are gleefully cited on ROL and pieces of them also on Twitter and gosh even on ET yesterday in comments. That's fine. It's your opinion. I don't go past the first page if the posted stories and those first page comments but it really surprised me how often you are cited by some trolls. No, I don't agree with you about 98% of the time but I support your right to your opinion. I can say that even though we disagree, I worry about the info in your profile and hope the Trolls don't turn on you. Their hate is blind and vicious and it is as frightening to me as the paparazzi.
It may not seem like it, but I do try really hard to not react to your posts. IMO, sometimes I feel you cross the line.
I have to say, I was moved to tears several times watching Kate's interview with Natalie Morales. No matter what we or anyone may think of her and Jon and whose responsible for what, there is real pain there. For a lot of people, this is like a soap opera and in discussing every inch of their lives, we forget that they are real people going through real pain. It kind of hit me when Kate sat crying through most of the interview.I think it was the realest she's been in a while. Her answers did not seem as scripted and planned out as usual. I think she decided that it was finally enough and that she needed to just get some things off her chest. The bottom line is, it must really be devastating to go through losing your best friend, partner in life and confidante. I truly think she is in hell and I also think she wishes old Jon would come back and they would work things out.
ReplyDeleteI also sensed some real regret in her voice when it was brought up about how badly she treated Jon during their marriage and although she has said it before, I was happy to hear her admit that she was too hard on him back then and shouldn't have been. I felt she really meant it. I think in all of this, despite his extreme jerky behaviour, she sees and understands how angry and hurt he is. I commend her for saying that she doesn't want to disparage him even though she is completely upset by his actions. Yes, she treated him very badly at times when they were married but the things he did afterward were ten times worse. Still, she doesn't want to slam him. That takes a lot of self restraint.
Also, someone mentioned the comment about her not being ready to go back to church. I think more than having people judge her for getting a divorce, she is dreading going without Jon because of the memories attached to them going as a family in the past. I think it is like admitting to herself that her marriage really is dead. I feel like she is mourning this divorce more like a death. She seemed so sad and forlorn and not knowing what to do next. I think in her mind, the Jon she knew has died and she can't face doing certain things knowing someone is missing.
As for Jon, Hailey and the ridiculous ET interview. I missed yesterday when she was on by herself but watched today when they interviewed together. Jon says one thing but totally does another. He said that if Haylie is truly miserable and that she feels emotionally abused by him then he needs to step away and let her go. In the next breath though he rolls his eyes when she is talking about being 22 and needing to get her life back. I think after this interview, I do believe the other things Hailey said on the insider. She laid it all out there right in front of Jon so I guess she had nothing to hide. I think Jon wanted her to say they would work things out but when she didn't, he got mad. I don't think he had any intentions of letting her go. I think he thought maybe they wouldn't officially go out for a couple of weeks but she seriously wants to be free of him. Contrary to what people may say about her (believe me I don't have the highest opinion of her either) she sounded pretty mature at the moment where she said that even though they love each other, their relationship wasn't healthy. He's 32 and he can't see that but at 22 she can.
I think he really does need to settle things with Kate once and for all and let this divorce come to a close. Maybe then when all this stress and frustration is over, he might be able to think about his love life. It will be interesting to see the continuation of this interview tomorrow. It looks like he comes back after storming off so I wonder how they will end things.
If fans want the papparatzi to back off, then WHY do I read over and over in these comments "check out radaronline."
ReplyDeleteYou are giving the paps a nod of approval, every time you click. When you talk about radaronline, or any of the other rags, you give them credibility.
Kate is WRONG, she can regain some normalcy to her life. It is up to her to TRY. I have never heard her even ask to be left alone, and honestly, she seems to like the spotlight. The Gosselins are sadly trying to leave beyond their means. They are now dependent upon the paps to keep their names on the mags, their lifestyle depends on it.
BTW Kate, my parents are raising 7 kids on a school teacher's salary. We don't get vacations far from home, my mom has 2 pair of shoes, and we love the thrift store. But we have a simple life, lots of love, and I wouldn't trade it for fame or fortune.
Raemi Kaye: Kate had to go on bedrest at home for as long as she could. And then she had to go to the hospital and remain on bedrest there for the duration of the pregnancy.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think it's nitpicking to break down Kate's comments and discuss them. I feel not enough people on here comment on everything she says. I also think a lot of people overlook a lot of what she says and does because they like her.
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I agree.
Again, Schmecky, I say: Do you do this to all those around you? Or do you just choose to do this to someone that you don't know? It IS nitpicking to take words out of context, to over-analyze her answers and/or comments.
ReplyDeleteLet's see:
Problem with the camera view and the fact that there weren't any tissues ready? Really? So this means...?
Plenty of follow-up, even pressing questions from Natalie Morales. Especially in the context of what's in the best interest of the children. And even the questions surrounding her parents and siblings.
Wow. She admitted being hard on Jon, knowing haters would jump right on that. She's admitted it before. She says it's embarrassing. She did have a lot on her plate. And I will admit, that is what turned me off from watching the show. I, for one, am not interested in their bickering. Why that helped gained popularity for their show I'll never know! BUT, I'm sure, because I know people like this, she was probably doing what she saw as an example at home. Want to bet that her mother did the same to her father? Granted, I don't have evidence but I'd be willing to bet on it. I've seen it first hand. No, it's not an excuse but sometimes we have to suffer consequences in order to see the light. Can you just accept the fact that she admits to it? And why should she publicly apologize to Jon?? That's personal between them! It makes NO difference to apologize to someone unless it is done personally - obviously that's Jon m.o., to apologize in some type of forum instead of to her face.
And your comment about her brother taking the blame?? Oh sheesh, that's not even worthy of debating. Besides, others have covered that well.
Goals. And it isn't obvious that JON's goals changed? And it's not OUR business what their goals were to begin with!
Kate said herself on the show that it was important for one of them to be home with the children. AND? That was the case! He could've worked part-time while she was home. Have I missed something that said she was gone 24/7?
And do we have to have it s-p-e-l-l-e-d out when and why their marriage ended?
The bodyguard. Does it matter that he is there?? So what if it was going to be brought up? Why should she have to change anything just because Jon lied about it all to cover his own tracks?
And the bedrest issue? Please. Let's beat this one into submission just like the single mom issue.
I'm just really surprised that you have any interest in this family or that you come to this site. Perhaps you should tally up your comments and see how heavily they weigh on the critique of Kate. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but please have something to base your negative comments on. Don't just pick at things that aren't even relative to anything. Make your comments worthy of consideration.
I don't overlook a lot of what she says because "I like her". In fact, as I mentioned, she didn't really appeal to me at all when I first began to watch the show. But since all this has taken place, all I can say is she is the one coming across as sincere.
Raemi Kaye, I agree with your comments about checking out the sites where the paps earn their income from. People are only supporting them when they go there. I don't think you can say with certainty that Kate is wrong because you don't really know - you are not in her current situation. Neither do I know if she is right - for the same reason. And I do appreciate your comments about your family. Your parents are doing it right.
Do I have biases regarding Jon and Kate? Sure, everyone does whether they admit it or not.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I admire strength in people. Kate is a strong person; Jon is a weak person. Pre-seperation, I would cringe at Kate's over reactions and the way she sometimes talked to Jon but I disliked more Jon's passive agressive response. I still feel the same way.
Another bias of mine comes from the the hate sites devoted to bashing Kate and excusing Jon. They are a living example that women have a tendency judge other women far more harshly than they judge men. I have never wanted to be that kind of woman.
Raemi Kaye, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents on your comments about Kate going back to the simple life again.
ReplyDeleteFIrst, I don't disagree with you. I think it is possible for them to have led the simple life. As in nearby vacations (if any at all), and the thrifty store, etc. However, just want to find out what the age difference is like in your family of 7 children? I'm not saying that life is very much simpler for your family. Far from it. However, if there is a certain age gap between siblings, it does make some what of a difference on how much the parents have to foot at one go for many things.
Also, I think Kate has explained this a couple of times, which I very much agree with. It's not that it's impossible for them to quit the show, but it will be just too darn hard, given the current circumstances. Once you've gone past a certain point, it's hard (sometimes virtually impossible) to turn back. They have the house to take care of, the maintenance of cars, etc. And there's also the kid's education. I think Kate spends most of the money on the kid's education as well as into their trust fund. Kate still does save on groceries with her cut-out coupons, so it's not that she is spend money like water on extravagant stuff.
And mind you, the paps appearance does not give Kate any money. She earns money strictly from the show, for genuine fans who want to watch it. And also thru various press conferences and talks (not the gossip ones about the dirt on her personal life). Like she said in her interview, they did 4 seasons without any of the paps appearing, and that's the truth, if we do look back on the timeline of when she first appeared in all these gossip mags.
If she gets thrown back into the old lifestyle, think about what this would mean for the children's lifestyle too. They would be uprooted and thrown into a sudden unfamiliar place. Perhaps that would be even worse for them?
There are alot of things we do not know, and find hard to understand. But one things for sure, turning back will have to be the hardest thing ever. And if she has a shot at giving her children the best lifestyle with the money she earns from the show, well it's only understandable.
Linda, as always, I agree 100% with your post.
ReplyDeleteNobody can live their life under a microscope with every word being analyzed to infinitum.
Schmeckygirl said...
ReplyDeleteI also think Kate has lied. I just think she's better at it. I also think that she lies by ommission, so that she's not technically lying. Then there's "I don't remember". I also think they both contradict themselves. Again, Jon in a more obvious way.
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When?? I dont recall Kate lieing about anything. Because she doesnt blab everything out there for the world to hear shes lieing all of a sudden?? Its not lieing its called keeping things private. Thats just plain unfair and wrong.
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I also think a lot of people overlook a lot of what she says and does because they like her.
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Yeah the last time I checked this was a FAN site. I come here because I like to read other peoples thoughts who like Kate, just thought thats what a fan site was for. Not to come and pick apart and disagree with everything she does. JMO
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ReplyDeletehttp://tlc.discovery.com/videos/kate-her-story-deleted-scenes-kate-on-being-famous.html?smid=FBJK8-FWP-VAP
TLC has added some deleted scenes from the interview to the website. I think they're very good- especially the one about the paparazzi.
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I think all of the "extras" that TLC put up were very good. Thanks so much for posting that!
I was watching Showbiz Tonight last night and Rabbi Shmuley was on the program telling all about Jon. I just dont understand why Jon would seek counseling from someone in the puplic eye if he was truely serious about changing. This Rabbi is going to continue to talk about everything Jon says because hes in it for the money. Also, I found it interresting, this morning I was listening to the radio and Carlos Diaz was talking about how Rabbi Shmuley was emailing him last night asking him to be on with him on his new show on TLC. So this Rabbi is doing a show for TLC and counseling Jon?? Wonder if counseling Jon is part of his show??
ReplyDeleteLinda,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree 100% that Jon should not be involved with anyone else if he is still legally married. I never meant to give the impression that I thought it is okay. I don't.
I just think it's not exactly correct to use the word "cheating" because their marriage was already over when he started seeing someone else. Yes, it is "adultery" and adultery is fornication. Fornication is just as wrong, but I don't think anyone really thinks Jon and/or Kate are going to never have sex again until they are each married. Also, I personally think Kate did end the marriage and not because Jon "cheated". I think it was before that. But that's just my opinion and we may not ever know the truth.
I also don't even think they would have filed for divorce if they could have kept it hidden and kept it from the fans and continued the show. Just my opinion.
Linda,
ReplyDeleteFirst, I want to say that I don't take it personally if you say anything about me or to me here or elsewhere. You don't know me as a person so I'm not offended. Also, I know sometimes it depends on how you read a comment and things can be read one way by one person and one way by another... the perils of online relationships. I don't take anything that is directed to me here as confrontational because I know I don't mean it that way when I address someone here directly. To me it is just back and forth conversation.
As for others on ROL and twitter talking about me, I honestly had no idea. I don't read the comments on ROL because most of those people are insane. I wouldn't even know whose Twitter to look at and how to access it to see what they say about me so I've been oblivious to all that. But you do have me curious now. lol.
If I do read comments on other sites such as The Examiner and Z on TV (because the people on there seem more normal and I like that Z comments back) I normally don't read past the first page.
I don't know what people say about me and like I said before, I have no control over that. I read maybe two or three comments in the past that an anonymous person linked to my blog. I really haven't seen any comments about me since.
Just like we shouldn't judge Baby Mama based on comments made by "trolls", you shouldn't judge me based on comments made by "trolls".
I don't think it's fair that you or anyone else reads what they say about me and get all worked up about it and then come back here and take it out on me. I think you should read my comments and base them on what I write, not what others say about them. I'm not a spokesperson for trolls or haters. And don't forget that they know Baby Mama and her readers read what they write so maybe they do it to add fuel to the fire?
As for my comments about Kate, I've never said mean things about Kate's appearance like some have (except about her hair style and I don't think I've been very harsh about that either). I don't think I've been overly critical or unfair in my comments about her. I try to keep my comments about things she has said or done, and not how I feel about her as a person. I've never said anything hateful about her.
In fact, compared to the things people on here have said about Jon because they feel it is justified, I've been rather nice. I don't say things like that about Kate even if I feel it is justfied (not that Baby Mama would allow it anyway. lol). People comment on Jon's looks, his speech, his supposed mental disorders. They don't read as said in concern, just as vicious and snarky. There are plenty of things that could be said about Kate in those regards too, but I don't.
I may be one of the very few on this blog that take issue with Kate but if you compare me to the others on the internet I am not in the minority. I don't think my comments about Kate are much different than what most people think about Kate, just not on here. I love that Baby Mama allows a difference in opinion and I love that she steps in and states it every once in a while.
Again, if people are so offended by what people say or write about Kate on other sites then maybe they should stop reading it. The anger and frustration it seems to cause doesn't seem to be worth it.
agh so I just wrote a comment, and then accidently closed out before word verification! aghhhh!
ReplyDeleteanyway, Linda & mema- I guess I was trying to say I would def. be saying something about what he's bringing home. I agree that neither can really tell the other what to do in their own free time, but once I saw pics of Deanna sunbathing on my lawn, I would speak up about it. Besides not knowing the ppl around my kids, I'd be concerned w ppl I don't know being in MY house where MY personal belonging are kept. (obviously, I know it's his house too, not just hers.) And if I heard he was screwing the babysitter in that house, with my kids there, that would another conversation as well!!
BUT- I would want to have a conversation with him about the morals & values we want our kids to embrace, and maybe give a friendly reminder that when you hang out with trash, you start to stink!! lol
Oh- and the other thing I wanted to comment on quickly was church. I wasn't surprised she hasn't been going, but have wondered for awhile. I don't really care if she goes or not, I don't think it makes a person less of a Christian if they don't go. Many ppl that DO go every week, are there for the wrong reasons, which is sad, but whatever. And many ppl don't go to church, and live as better Christians than some of those that do. To each their own.
All I have to say is Jon is not in any place to pick apart Kate's interview. She did not admit they split up a year ago. She said the problems started a year ago....at least that's what she said on tv. After watching the interview, how could he have anything bad to say? He sucks.
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ReplyDeleteAgain, Schmecky, I say: Do you do this to all those around you? Or do you just choose to do this to someone that you don't know? It IS nitpicking to take words out of context, to over-analyze her answers and/or comments.
Let's see:
Problem with the camera view and the fact that there weren't any tissues ready? Really? So this means...?
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Tissues?!?! All I meant was get her some freakin tissues! Why not have tissues on hand so she doesn't have to use her hands to wipe her tears and running nose with her hands for an hour? That's nitpicking? So no one else was thinking "Get that girl a tissue!"? I can't say she needed tissues and why weren't there any there? Talk about nitpicking.
So, it's okay for you to nitpick all my comments and overanalyze everything I say and take my words out of context but I can't comment on what Kate says. Again, I don't mind if people take apart what I say and comment and analyze it but let's not be hypocritical. If you hear or read something that strikes you as comment-worthy you comment.
As for whether or not I "nitpick" about everyone else around me, I didn't respond to you the first time because I thought it was a ridiculous question. I still do.
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ReplyDeleteI was watching Showbiz Tonight last night and Rabbi Shmuley was on the program telling all about Jon. I just dont understand why Jon would seek counseling from someone in the puplic eye if he was truely serious about changing. This Rabbi is going to continue to talk about everything Jon says because hes in it for the money. Also, I found it interresting, this morning I was listening to the radio and Carlos Diaz was talking about how Rabbi Shmuley was emailing him last night asking him to be on with him on his new show on TLC. So this Rabbi is doing a show for TLC and counseling Jon?? Wonder if counseling Jon is part of his show??
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He's having a show on TLC!??!?!!? Disgusting! And talk about a conflict of interest!
Uh-oh... watch out! Kate talked out THE RING in the extra videos on TLC! Prepare for the onslaught of critical comments!
ReplyDeleteUmm.....so Jon and Hailey ARE faking all of this!
ReplyDeleteThey filmed their ET interview BEFORE Halloween -- and yet this report is out now:
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The New York Post reports that Gosselin, 32, quietly hit a Manhattan pub on Oct. 31 with Glassman, 22. (They have since announced that they're "taking a break.")
Because it was Halloween night, it was harder than usual for Gosselin to avoid his fame: the bar-restaurant's patrons that night included "a few people dressed as Jon Gosselin."
The embattled father of eight apparently wasn't feeling the holiday spirit.
"Staff were ordered to keep the fake Jons away from him," the Post reports -- and he even turned away fans.
"Someone asked to take a picture but he said he wanted to be left alone. Once the crowds were away he and Hailey looked like a normal couple."
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The 'they have SINCE announced that they're "taking a break."' isn't TRUE because they were showing clips of the 'break up' and the 'interviews' the Thursday and Friday BEFORE Halloween!
Am I wrong here? I know that the media peeps are smart enough to make these same connections - and I wonder why they don't call them out on it? The Halloween thing coupled with Jon and Hailey's cryptic tweets to each other - and the fact that the paparazzi clearly left them alone so they could do their Halloween thing (I posted a photo of Jon in HIS halloween costume somewhere on this blog already) - makes me wonder what they are promising the paps in exchange for them not publishing the photos of them out on Halloween night? There's got to be some kind of bartering going on here - because Jon and Hailey weren't exactly in hiding on Halloween? Yet not one photo anywhere (cuz that would REALLY mess up last nights/tonights ET interview that is supposed to make us believe they have split up!)
She never did answer the question about Steve. She just said she was sickened to hear it but never said yes or no. Why does she continue to half answer questions?
ReplyDeleteWell said, Set in the Cleft!! I think the same thing every time I read her posts. For someone who doesn't really care, she sure has a lot of opinions about every little thing. I support Kate's right to be cryptic in some of her answers. We have no right to expect to know everything about her. ShmeckyGirl, if someone picked your life apart, I'm sure we'd all have plenty to discuss too! But seriously, would we have a right to do it, just because you post on this site?
ReplyDeleteDiscernment is assessing a situation objectively, with no emotional attachment, to decide what ones decision is.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I think Schmecky strives to do. It is the flip side of judgment which involves emotional attachment (good or bad). I think posters here tend to see Kate in an all-or-nothing light of 'good' and Jon in an all-or-nothing light of 'bad'. Neither is true.
They are both flawed human beings, as are we all.
What is wrong with stating ones objective point of view?
Since I am admittedly no longer a fan, I will leave if you wish. I think your site will suffer without varying points of view.
That's what makes life interesting.
I am uncomfortable with the judgmental responses to Schmecky. She certainly doesn't do that to you. It feels bullying to me.
SchmeckyGirl - again we disagree on the second and third paragraphs of your post (so what else is new, right?) :)
ReplyDeleteI wrote a huge long response and then deleted it. (Isn't everybody glad - I think it would have filled three postings!)
IMO - Kate never cheated with Steve. Jon did cheat with Deanna, et al up to and including Hailey before the separation. IMO I think despite what was going on with Jon, she still hoped things could be resolved. I don't think she liked the person he'd become, or perhaps the "love blinders" had started fading and made her start seeing more clearly. IMO, every liaison before the legal separation is indeed "cheating." IMO, sex without marriage is entirely and colossally different from "sex before divorce." Do I expect him to be celebate? No. Do I expect him to get the divorce first? Yes, I do!
Do I think Kate should have agreed to marriage counseling? Maybe. At the same time, I don't think the most phenomenal counselor in the world can "rescue" a marriage when one of the parties is floundering so badly that he/she has not a clue as to what they want and where they want to be headed. And I still don't think, despite his individual counseling, that Jon has a shred on insight.
I do not believe there ever was any so-called "contract" with Jon given "permission" to cheat. I think he told Kevin/Jodi there was and I think he lied to try to get pressure off himself. Why? If there was a written document, Jon would have sold it to the tabloid media long before now!
I do agree though that Kate ended the marriage in filing for divorce. Had she had enough? I think so. Did she have justification for ending it? IMO there are enough photos to leave no doubt. And I think up until that point, even though separated, a part of her hoped they could put the pieces back together. Why? Because I think there's a huge part of her that still loves Jon a great deal. But you can reach a point, where there is so much hurt, you just want the pain to end.
I also agree that we may never know the truth. (Wow - twice there in agreement! :) Even Kate in People earlier in the year said, "I don't know if I believe him. I don't think that I know the truth, and to be very honest, I don't think I ever will. My gut instinct says that he's mad that he got caught..."
I'm not sure what his problem is, but he clearly has problems IMO! Is it bi-polar, Peter Pan Syndrome, delusional disorder, chronic and habitual lying, alcohol tantrums, or a whatever syndrome? I don't know. IMO a huge portion of his anger comes from getting "caught" over and over in his lies and blaming. I'm not interested as much in giving him a label, as much I just wish he'd get help because his self-destruction is so painful to watch.
Whether it is "soaps," car crashes, accidents, reality shows, or marriages crumbling, I find it's a sad commentary how much we as a society today enjoy watching the destruction of lives.
Best I can do is continue to pray for the whole Gosselin family and to wish them peace.
People.com says Kate got to take the tups out trick or treating.Mady and Cara went with their friends. Glad they had some fun
ReplyDeletePeople has a posting today on Kate and the Kids for Halloween "Kate Gosselin Gets Witchy on Halloween."
ReplyDelete"It's no surprise that tons of trick-or-treaters donned blond helmet wigs and Ed Hardy T-shirts to become reality TV's unavoidable couple, Kate and Jon Gosselin, this past Halloween. The surprising news is that the real Kate Gosselin managed to head out with her kids – without a single photographer in sight.
"This year, she was able to go trick-or-treating without paparazzi, just like a normal mom," a friend of Kate's tells PEOPLE.
Two days before Kate expressed deep pain and remorse about her life in a revealing TLC interview, the reality star dressed up as a glamorous witch and joined her sextuplets when they hit the streets in their quiet Pennsylvania neighborhood.
"Alexis was an adorable witch, Hannah a Spanish princess, Aaden a pirate, Collin was a Spider-Man, Leah was a kitty and Joel was Batman," says the friend. Meanwhile, 8-year-old twins Cara, a ghost, and Mady, the devil, went out with their friends instead of their sibs.
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I think that is fantastic for the children!
SchmeckyGirl-I agree with you 100% of the time. You should start your own blog.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Shelly about the whole bi-polar thing. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bipolar-disorder/DS00356/DSECTION=symptoms
does anyone know where the hailey/jon interviews are posted? i didn't see them at all, and i thought in an earlier post someone said they weren't online??
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ReplyDeleteThe bodyguard. Does it matter that he is there?? So what if it was going to be brought up? Why should she have to change anything just because Jon lied about it all to cover his own tracks?
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I think it all goes to the definition a bodyguard. Why does a 'bodyguard' need to be in the room? What is he guarding? Theres clearly no reason for him to be there if his job is just to be a body guard.
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Goals. And it isn't obvious that JON's goals changed? And it's not OUR business what their goals were to begin with!
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Isn't it also obvious that Kate has also changed? Look back to season 1 and you'll see quite a difference. When Kate goes on TV and says that they're goals have changed but hers are their kids, does that mean Jon doesn't care for the kids anymore? If you're going to say a statement like that in public you should atleast back it up. Just like when she filed for divorce and said "Due to Jon's recent actions" she has to file for divorce. If she doesn't want the follow-ups don't make any statemnts at all.
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When?? I dont recall Kate lieing about anything. Because she doesnt blab everything out there for the world to hear shes lieing all of a sudden?? Its not lieing its called keeping things private. Thats just plain unfair and wrong.
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I don't see how going on The Today Show, People Magazine, Two TLC Specials, The View, Larry King, Ellen, various press releases are keeping things quiet. This is a fan site but you don't have to agree with everything she says. You can still be fan and not support everything she says, you can watch her shows, read her books and go to her books signings
SchmeckyGirl, Youtube video #3 at around 3:25
Holy crap did you see the interview w/ Jon & Hailey on Entertainment Tonight??????? Totally ridiculous !!!
ReplyDeleteI thought they were acting ( badly if that), Couldnt even tell if it was real it was that cheesy !!!!!
I certainly admire Kate, and am amazed at her strength through all of this.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the other posters bedrest comments....no reason to questions Kate's honesty as it is very realistic that she was on bedrest for 6 month (which included bedrest at home prior to being hospitalized). I have triplets that were born at 26 weeks (14 weeks early), and was on bedrest for a total of 11 weeks. I started bedrest at home when I was 15 weeks pregnant, and hospitalized at 21 weeks where I remained for another 5 weeks until my babies were born. It is absolutely amazing that she was able to carry sextuplets so far along. Prior to my babies being born, being on bedrest is truly the most difficult thing I ever did in my life. You are truly fighting for the lives of each of your babies. Each day that you carry the babies farther along makes a huge difference in survival rates.
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ReplyDeleteKatherineDenise said...
When?? I dont recall Kate lieing about anything. Because she doesnt blab everything out there for the world to hear shes lieing all of a sudden?? Its not lieing its called keeping things private. Thats just plain unfair and wrong.
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I don't see how going on The Today Show, People Magazine, Two TLC Specials, The View, Larry King, Ellen, various press releases are keeping things quiet. This is a fan site but you don't have to agree with everything she says. You can still be fan and not support everything she says, you can watch her shows, read her books and go to her books signings
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I didnt say she was keeping things quiet, I said shes keeping some things private. She has her own show and books so she needs to promote them, doesnt mean everyone needs to know everything little detail.
See now about the whole fan thing, to me that makes no sence to me what so ever. I will never ever ever understand that statement. " You can still be a fan but not support." Really?? Wow. I cant stand the show The Hills, I sure as heck dont go on thier fan site and talk about what I hate about them. What a waste of time and energy. But to each there own I guess.
@ Mosbius
ReplyDelete" This is a fan site but you don't have to agree with everything she says. You can still be fan and not support everything she says, you can watch her shows, ..."
Well said. People who really support/love us in life will call us out when we need it. Because they care about us, they will risk our disapproval/rejection to say what needs to be said.
None of us is right all the time. Neither is Kate.
Why turn a blind eye to valid issues/concerns and then claim to care about the person? If you care about Kate, don't you want her to become the best person that she can be? That means Kate taking personal responsibility for her part in everything. That means not giving her a pass when we shouldn't.
Some of the best (and hardest) growth experiences of my life occured when someone who loved me made me look at a hard truth.
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ReplyDeleteHoly crap did you see the interview w/ Jon & Hailey on Entertainment Tonight??????? Totally ridiculous !!!
I thought they were acting ( badly if that), Couldnt even tell if it was real it was that cheesy !!!!!
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I know right?!?! I have watched it all 3 nights and still trying to make sence of it. Hailey is diffenetly getting it done, you agree with the things she tells Jon and think yeah shes right, maybe she is better than we gave her credit for. But then you step back and say wait a minute, she knew all this and she knew all that but she still did it and shes still with him. ugh
Angel and Mike - very well explained about the bedrest. I've been there too and I am totally empathetic!
ReplyDeleteIMO, I think Jon's anger comes from years of being unable to stand up to Kate.
ReplyDeleteI think they may have been attracted to each other initially because she likes to be in control and because he wanted a partner who would be in control. Seemed like a perfect fit, consciously or not. The problem is, this type of unhealthy attraction gets magnified exponentially by 8 kids, not to mention everyday life stressors.
Soon she resents having to take charge all the time ("I feel like I had a lot of weight on my shoulders.") and he resents being told what to do and how to do it (and expresses that the only way he knows how: passive-aggressively).
Neither style makes either of them horrible; it just makes them horrible TOGETHER.
It's like a dance that they did together. It took 2 to do the dance. Hence she is as cupable in my eyes as he is. They need to get to a therapist TOGETHER and work this out before the kids are damaged further.
My interest is the kids.
Does anyone have the link to Jon and Hailey's apperances on Entertainment tonight???
ReplyDeleteAnyone?
SchmeckyGirl - A lot of the troll references to you I first became aware of way back in May when I first found BabyMama's blog when I was searching for a place that didn't blindly bash Kate. Not sure if I'm explaining correctly. (It took me a long time of just reading before I posted.) when I first saw your screen name i was trying to figure out what it meant; I'm always curious about screen names and life in general. So I googled "Schmecky" and the first listing was from urban dictionary. When I read that definition, holy cow my eyes almost popped out!
ReplyDeleteI thought that can't be what the woman meant in choosing that screen name! (Kind of similar to recent curiosity about Mosbius Designs name). So trying to figure it out, I googled the whole SchmeckyGirl. Again, holy cow! 20+ google pages of listings just about you! Some referenced this blog and other unrelated sites' topics; many referenced by troll sites. I certainly do not judge you by the commendations they give you, nor do I hold it against you; even when they call you one of them as a kindred spirit.
But, it did make me a lot more ? not sure if right word here? Sensitive, aware, cognizant?? pick one, of seeing your name referenced on ET, ROL, etc. , particularly when it was positively referenced in the same posting as disparaging comments about BabyMama. Are their comments fair or even accurate? A lot of the time they are completely in error.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that while I often disagree with your perspective, I 100% support your right to your opinion.
For those who want to bash Kate, there are other sites ( although fewer by the day thank goodness IMO. And there are sites that blindly support Jon because Kate gave him a hard time and feel it gave him a lifetime pass to do whatever he wanted to do and say to whomever he wanted (and those are getting fewer too). Am I glad there's at least two blogs where support of Kate can be given? You betcha! Wtg Baby Mama for being one.
Do I think Kate has always been perfect? Heck no! Nobody is. But I admire her more by the day for openly stating her giving Jon too hard a time, accepting her responsibility for her actions, etc. Go Kate! Do I think Jon is bad? No, but I have less respect for him with each passing day. And his pap interview yesterday with him standing by the car, the twins waiting while he had negative words to say, was just so sad. You had Mady's face against the window, and her finally rolling down the window and saying "Please, please let's go Daddy!" Jon did go then, but how much could they hear? It was so sad I wanted to cry. He just doesn't exercise good judgment IMO, and just the latest.
I just wish he'd get help and a decent counselor and then listen to them!
Nicole.. I published the Jon & Hailey video from Entertainment Tonight here..But it might be moved to my new post. Apparently the ET video tomorrow night when Jon walks out is supposed ot be great, and I want to post them together lol. And regarding that NY Post article about Jon & Hailey together I beleive it.. I don't think they ever broke up.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry if this was already posted.. off to bed now.. Just wanted ot let the haters know that Kate.. quietly did let the kids enjoy Halloween!
ReplyDelete"This year, she was able to go trick-or-treating without paparazzi, just like a normal mom," a friend of Kate's tells PEOPLE.
Two days before Kate expressed deep pain and remorse about her life in a revealing TLC interview, the reality star dressed up as a glamorous witch and joined her sextuplets when they hit the streets in their quiet Pennsylvania neighborhood.
"Alexis was an adorable witch, Hannah a Spanish princess, Aaden a pirate, Collin was a Spider-Man, Leah was a kitty and Joel was Batman," says the friend. Meanwhile, 8-year-old twins Cara, a ghost, and Mady, the devil, went out with their friends instead of their sibs.
We all know that no one is perfect, we are human, we are flawed. Kate has admitted to it several times. I am not a Kate lover, she lost her temper many times, but I think that she had a reason to lose her temper. It does not make it right, but it does make it understandable. I do have a problem with some of the constant analyzing and nitpicking of everything she does and says. Just because she was on a reality show does not mean that she is not entitled to privacy and it does not make her a liar, just because she chooses to keep aspects of her life private or because she chooses her words carefully or answers questions the way she wants to for the sake of herself and her children. At least she is not a blubbering idiot. She is entitled to live her life the way she chooses to just like you and I and if she wishes to pursue a television career in order to provide a better life for herself and her children, more power to her. You see we do not get to choose and I am still amazed that people will go to such lengths to hurt this family. When are people held accountable for their actions?
ReplyDeleteThe marriage fell apart, it is obvious that something happened after the trip to Hawaii. Maybe she just got tired of having to mother Jon and Jon was jealous and could not accept that the world was finally seeing that she was the driving force out of the two of them. He seemed angry and maybe she had enough of his whining and maybe she gave him an ultimatum. I believe her when she said that he told her to get an attorney as he is all about hurting her as much as he can as he tries to constantly embarrass her and as he lashes out at her through his actions. He has let his anger control him and the more she comes out on top the more angry he gets and now he is taking it out on Hailey. He has gone to so many outlets either trying to act like the playboy or playing the sympathy card. He continues to make a fool out of himself as the outlets turn around and make fun of him once he is done, such as The Insider and ET.
Saying that Kate is culpable or responsible for Jon's behavior is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. HE needs to get his crap together and HE needs therapy so the kids are not damaged. He has shown us all his pattern of lies. How much more proof do we need before we will admit that Jon is an unstable person.
Have the other regular FANS here notice that whenever contributors challenge Schmecky posts how the unheard of before posters come out of the woodwork singing praises?
ReplyDeleteIt makes me very suspicious that one poster has many names that they post under.
Thanks for the research Linda, I am off to Google land to check it out. It sounds like my old opinions might finally be validated....
As tough as it is to read most of the time, I also agree with everyones right to their opinion. MINE included!
Much to ones dismay, I hope to steer attention back toward the intended topic of this blog; I find the J and Hailey latest stunt on media so completely transparent and deplorable! Further, it is so sad that entertainment tv shows appearing during the "Family Hour" have stooped so low as to become a member of Tabloid tv. Shame on them.
WOW.... interesting name definition SG. That along with the fact your twitter account documents only 4 people you follow; which J and Hailey are among is very telling!
ReplyDeleteMaybe it is time to get honest and just own up to where your loyalty really stands....
No wonder many find posts most disturbing and conflict provoking.
OH Well, it is a free world and you are enjoying those rights on this blog. I will just practise my right to scroll, scroll, scroll!
Did the E-town home sell?
ReplyDeleteSo glad to hear that the kids were able to go trick or treating !
ReplyDeleteAll the ET interviews of Jon & Hailey are totally cheesy & fake.
I think the fact that he is doing interviews w/ a GIRLFRIEND before he is even legally divorced is a joke! I think this is his pathetic attempt at making some money. How about talking to your wife buddy!
Schmeckygirl, I'm not offended. I appreciate your opinions and how you voice them without bashing other commenters.
ReplyDeleteI frequently read this blog (but rarely post), but I like how people keep it pretty civil here. There are definitely strong and differing opinions, but it's great that those difference of opinions don't become personal attacks.
Boy!!!! So much to read and say???? Everytime i get done reading all the posts and want to reply, my mind is boggled and eyes tired so I just go do something else. Butttt........I will try today!.
ReplyDeleteSchmecky girl....about all the nit-picking they say u r doing. Your one question about do they (J&K) have plans for future employment?? Kate's waiting for her show with TLC. I think they have somthing up. Jon just riding out the storm lol.
Remember his IT job that he got fired from? His boss said he was spending toooo much time on-line planning all the freebeeees! He made a statement back then that he was going to fix it so he would never have to work again! Well so far his plan of action is working and Kate also was in on this.
About people saying that Kate lies....... she is smart and just avoids saying things, like the truth, so then it can't be considered a lie down the road. Jon has not mastered this technique. lol. Here is an example of how Kate does this:
When asked about the money put away for Education. She states there is a trust set up for the kids. Both of them J&K, set it up . No one knows how much they put in so far and its not our bus. Thennnnnnn.........she states there is a huge or large amt. locked up and safe and will not be touch excepte for ed. See where I am going with this?? Meaning Jon can't get it, but she never says it is locked up in a trust. Its the missing book profits that she has stassed in her name and if there is a separate acc. in her name only, rest assured that the mediator will be able to find a paper trail.
So this can be called keeping it private, lieing, or avoiding. Whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Whatever works???
Jon being unstable???? I am clueless when it comes to picking him apart and he needs to go back home PA and stay there. I t looks like Kate is getting all the Holidays and he is not making much of an effort to get his time in. Sad?? I agree with BM, their break up is phoney. But I am hoping Hailey is sick of him because she is ruining her life so far.
These two are not done argueing over money yet. So until the marital assets are divided up by the med. the WAR is not over......
When the judgement comes down....one of these parents will blow up..........who????
Baby Mama sorry for rambling if it dosen't make sense let me know??? JMO
con't later
Linda, I enjoy reading your comments, they always make me look at things from a different angle. You seem pretty knowledgable about how to investigate things. I was wondering about the TLC lawsuit against Jon. How long does it take to get an initial hearing? We have not heard anything about that yet.
ReplyDeleteDo you think they are waiting for him to give up and let them film the children?
Terri said...
ReplyDeleteWOW.... interesting name definition SG. That along with the fact your twitter account documents only 4 people you follow; which J and Hailey are among is very telling!
Maybe it is time to get honest and just own up to where your loyalty really stands....
No wonder many find posts most disturbing and conflict provoking.
OH Well, it is a free world and you are enjoying those rights on this blog. I will just practise my right to scroll, scroll, scroll!
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TERRI,
Does Kate have twitter? If she did I'd follow her too. My friends and family don't use twitter. Neither do I. I only added Jon and Hailey to keep up with the latest. I also figured a little possitive support instead of bashing them on twitter would encourage them to do the right thing. Maybe if more people that give them friendly good advice they will start to listen. I also would never bash pr antagonize Kate on her twitter. It's not my style.
I'm not sure why it's "telling" that I only use twitter to follow Jon and Hailey. Is it "telling" that no one comments on your blog? Should I assume something from that? Probably not. Do we really want to start getting personal on here?
As for people posting with multiple names I think Baby Mama can tell if it's the same person. I know I can tell when people post on my blog.
As for my nickname, since I'm sure now many people will wonder about it, when I was in my early 20's and single I was hanging out with friends and the term schmecky came up a tv show. I think it was SNL or In Living Color or something along those lines. It rhymes with Becky and my friends started calling me Schmecky instead of Becky and it stuck. Of course none of us actually knew what it meant at the time and unless it is googled most people don't. And that's that. It has no other meaning in my case.
Thanks cherier1, mosbius and jenny! And Baby Mama!
ReplyDeleteI'm not addressing any comments about me personally anymore. Comments about my comments are fine but this blog is not about me. When I go on national television and invite people into my personal life then please feel free to comment all you want.
Oh! Thanks Helen.
ReplyDelete....set in the cleft, Terri, Linda, Jen Santos, KatherineDenise etc.....all I can say is that I agree with your SG feedback. Sorry! Sometimes it's difficult to stomach on a fan site.
ReplyDeleteAnd whoever thinks I blindly support Kate is assessing the situation incorrectly. Kate has gone to media outlets, and spoken with grace and given well thought out replies, and been careful never to bash Jon. She does NOT speak to paps and trashy tabloids and disparage Jon, which is exactly what Jon has done to Kate.
And I have not and do not always agree 100% with Kate's words or actions. But I totally respect and admire how she is handling her life. I used to really like Jon, liked both of them, which is why I originally started reading this Fansite. But I can't stand the immoral behavior and lying that has taken place over the past number of months with Jon.
SchmeckyGirl~ I'm sorry if you felt you were "ganged up" on in this thread. I don't know any other site that tries harder than mine to allow both sides of a view without either being personally attacked. Hate sites thrive on attacking any fan of the show or Kate supporter that tries to offer a different point of view.
ReplyDeleteMy stance has always been, as long as your not attacking Kate you will be posted. I feel that my loyal supporters of this blog including yourself have done an amazing job in keeping things civil. I greatly appreciate that. Everyone should discuss what they feel comfortable with in regards to them personally. Basically you do you. But I really do enjoy reading about others personally to get a feel for who is blogging..But again, only state what you feel comfortable stating..
Wow so much has been said around here.
ReplyDeleteSG, I don't always agree with what you say, and I have to be honest that sometimes I do feel that you over-analyse Kate's words and actions. It does frustrate me reading those comments in particular. HOWEVER, I think everyone here does that same. Just that we, Kate supporters, over-analyse Jon and Hailey's actions and words.
SG, I absolutely respect your tenacity at wanting to keep objective and see things from both Kate's and Jon's perspectives. I think it's great, otherwise we just might end up having a seriously lope-sided view here. And yet, the truth is that it's very hard to be totally objective in our comments, and this applies to everyone, as well as to your comments, SchmeckyGirl.
Now this is as objective as I can be on this issue. The debates going back and forth are great, but I think everyone needs to take a step back because the comments are getting a little too personal now, and it's really not fair to SG if we addressed her, instead of the issue.
With that said, I've just watched all 3 days the Hailey/Jon ET interview with Mary Hart. Drama Drama Drama.
I know alot of people are commenting about how fake this whole interview is, and on some level, yes I don't think either of them are being totally honest. However, there are glimpse of sincere emotions in Hailey when she comments about certain things, and she doesn't hold back. As for Jon, you can see the anger building in him, but he's trying so balance appearing half apoplectic, half apologetic (lol..the play on words is not intentional. I realised it only after I typed it out). So much so that it just appears all fake and insincere.
I'm beginning to think that Hailey may not be as "horrible" as so many people have made her out to be. She is young, and bound to make many mistakes. But I do think that on some level she is already paying for this mistakes and this might be the time when she is trying to make up for them. That's more than I can say for Jon. Jon's older and supposed to know better. He is also a father of 8 and needs to be careful of how his actions my reflect to not just the world, but to his children. There is no excuse there for him. But rather than really sincerely trying to make amends and be honest, the man is just sinking deeper and deeper into a bed of lies. Now this is exactly what Hailey seems to want to say, though I think she is holding back because she partly fears how Jon might react. Perhaps it's really a love-hate relationship right now.
SchmeckyGirl - Ah, the nickname rhymes with your real name. Makes sense.
ReplyDeleteAgain, although I often disagree with your perspective, I defend your right to your opinion 100%!
I'd also defend your right to post on J&K (or any other topic) wherever you choose!
BabyMama - Cute comment at the top about all your videos. Hey, if you want more, you could add the TLC clips of the footage that wasn't shown in Kate's interview with Morales.
ReplyDeleteHailey has a lot of sympathizers (not necessarily here)... why?
ReplyDeleteTerri - In defense of SchmeckyGirl and perhaps myself regarding Twitter accounts. I'm pretty new to Twitter (don't understand half of how to do things yet). The only reason I initially got a Twitter account was because of posts that kept referencing what Jon or Hailey said in a Tweet. I like to read things first hand ('cause sometimes second hand a piece gets left out.) So one reason I got on Twitter was to read what Jon and Hailey said (I knew Kate did not have a Twitter account).
ReplyDeleteWhat finally prompted me to go ahead and do it was when Jon added Hailey's contact info on sixgosselins.com. I just felt that was really inappropriate on a personal Gosselin family website. I said that in a posting here also. I knew Jon "owned" that website and had complete control over it. I couldn't think of any other way to voice directly to Jon how I felt, so I set up the Twitter account and sent him a tweet about feeling it was inappropriate. Apparently others felt that way also because in several days, it disappeared from that website.
Gradually I added a few others (like Rabbi Shmuley's 2 accounts - but deleted them because he Tweets so much I couldn't keep up with him.) I have some others like TLC_PR, because I enjoy some other TLC reality shows. The thing that is amazing is that I have followers. I'm not interesting enough for somebody to follow.
Do I antagonize or constantly post there? Gosh I hope not. I have sent words of encouragement to both Jon and Hailey, as I would to Kate if she tweeted. What you say or post on the internet never really goes away.
So, in defense of SchmeckyGirl, myself, and probably many others, I too have Jon and Hailey on my watch list. SchmeckyGirl appears to be an intelligent woman and I think she likes also to see/hear what people say first hand.
Just wondering if anyone saw The Insider last night? I caught the tail end of it where they were going to the poll to see the results (do Jon and Kate have a chance of saving their marriage) and Lara said something like 'so Jon is still in love with Kate'. I can't find video of this anywhere and wanted to know if this is really right or did I just hear one part of another statement. I would be shocked if that was true given that Jon has said very mean and snarky things about Kate.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I was able to find was an interview posted of Jon talking to a pap (big surprise) where the pap asked Jon if he still loved Kate and he said he would always love her as the mother of his children. That made more sense but it was not what I heard on the Insider. I hear the words "in love with Kate".
I don't even know why it matters at this point becauase I don't think Jon just suddenly fell out of love with Hailey but I guess seeing Kate so hurt on the TLC interview and practically saying that she still loved Jon (she said a part of her would always love him but it looked like she meant she still loved him a lot more than that)and wished they could work things out just makes me wish it were possible.
Anyway TIA to anyone that can shed some light!
Jon hold on to your two seater seatbelt !
ReplyDeleteFROM RADARONLINE Thursday at Noon:
Forget about tear-filled TV interviews and dramatic walking-off-the-set moments.
The most explosive and revealing interviews about Jon Gosselin's life are all about to happen - under oath!
RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that not only will Jon's girlfriend Hailey Glassman be deposed by TLC's law firm Williams & Connolly, but so will Jon's bodyguard and four other witnesses.
PHOTOS: Haily Glassman drug photos
The Washington, D.C. law firm with a reputation for fierce and effective tactics has been extremely busy since filing suit in a Maryland court on October 16 for breach of contract against Jon. The firm has filed motion after motion in the Montgomery County Circuit Court.
RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that on November 4 the court granted a slew of motions filed by the law firm, allowing them to depose Hailey Glassman, Jon's bodyguard Thomas Meinelt, Michael Heller, Mark Heller, Michael Lohan and Matthew Kirschner.
EXCLUSIVE: Jon's sleepover with kids' babysitter
The fact that Williams & Connolly has been granted the right to depose the Hellers should mean that they will not be allowed to represent Jon in the case, as they are now witnesses.
TLC alleges that Jon breached his exclusive contract with them and Williams & Connolly has gotten off to a fast start on a fact-finding mission to determine Jon's other sources of incomes.
The Hellers will certainly be asked about every non-TLC payday Jon has received and Hailey will also be forced to reveal what she knows under oath.
If someone asks me a question that I'd rather not answer directly about, or skirt the issue in some way as to be vague about it, omitting some details, how in the world is that considered outright lying?
ReplyDeleteNow if I wanted to intentionally deceive anyone by giving information that was contrary to the actual truth, or makes the listener assume the truth when it wasn't, even by omission(white lie - remember Jon waiving the $22K receipt?) then that is lying. But just because one is being vague or not giving out details? No way.
Sarah, I do not disagree - it is because of that that I know how the courts look at it and in retrospect it is probably a good thing- divorce can be messy enough without each person having a say in the others social life - if the kids are not being abused etc there is not much you can do. As you pointed out at the moment at least it is his house too. Also we it is easy to jump to conclusions but in truth none of us really know what is going on - some one sunbathing in a yard with a pool in the middle of summer - why do we automatically assume it's something horrible - granted it could be, but it could also be harmless - happens in yards all over the country all summer. Nor do we actually know what is happening with the babysitters - Jon certainly is not talking about what goes on with them in that house and quite honestly I would wonder about any woman who would come forward and admit to something like that - does make you wonder about the source
ReplyDeleteWow Mary! Thanks for all the Radar info.. I may repost it in a new thread. Heck I keep on saying that because so much comes up its hard to keep track..
ReplyDelete"Most interesting perhaps, is Meinelt, who went from paparazzi to Jon's bodyguard."
Are you kidding me? How crazy and disturbing is it that a pap that was hounding and stalking him for his job got an even bigger and better job being Jon's bodyguard??
Well, I guess Marys' post has answered some of questions for now. TLC has been busy, like I thought.
ReplyDeleteI am glad Kate had a chance to go out on Halloween with the tups. It sounds like their costumes were cute.
Ahh....Finally the name of the paparazzi/bodyguard of Jon. I'm pretty sure he is the INF/INV photographer who shoots many of the "interviews" of Jon inside the fence, pumpkin photos, Jodi/Kevin/Jon reunion photos, etc. I've been trying for weeks to figure out his name.
ReplyDeleteIf everyone is one big happy family then I obviously stand corrected. My apologies to anyone that I have offended by speaking my observations.
ReplyDeleteTerri~ Your comments are great and you are part of my blogging family! (lol) I just want everyone to not fight and get along! ;)
ReplyDeleteJust an FYI, the photographer turned bodyguard, Thomas Meinelt, from what I've seen, works with Splash News, not INF. If they are somehow connected, I'm not aware, and I certainly could be wrong. But I don't think the INF pix are his.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe Thomas Meinelt is the same one who takes the INF pictures. INF Photo Agency and takes credit for all the pictures. If you Google image Thomas Neinelt, he has a bunch of images out there, mostly in NY and alot of the Cruise's. But all of them are directly credited to him and/or Splash News.
ReplyDeleteThe lawsuit is interesting, how TLC is going full-steam ahead with it. It'll be interesting if its just a ploy to get the kids back on TV or not. I don't think Kate really understands how this will effect the kids. All the money made from their show and even the books is also Jon's(Half of it after the divorce). If TLC wins and takes that all, Kate will actually be the sole provider for the family and Jon could probably receive alimony as well.
MosbiusDesigns said...
ReplyDelete...If TLC wins and takes that all, Kate will actually be the sole provider for the family and Jon could probably receive alimony as well.
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That would be assuming that Jon used those outside monies from unauthorized "jobs" (outside the TLC contract) for household and family expenses, which, IMO, he did not.
It appears that Kate is and has been worried all along that Jon was/is incapable of supporting her and the children, and all their expenses esp. after the show ends and I don't blame her. Even if she did solo gigs here and there, it would not be as lucrative as the regular show.
As far as alimony? Oh, C'mon... he doesn't need a $5000 pad in New York for pete's sake. He's at least capable of getting some type of respectable job (I think) to support himself and provide some child support.
#1caregiver~ Please if you can, re-send your post.. I was deleting some other comments and I deleted yours by mistake. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteMosbius Designs - TLC will take all that they have made from the show........hmmm. Thats only if there is anything left. They can't take the marital home because that is for the kids and one custodial parent. TLC is not going to hurt Kate, that would make the Big Corp. giant look pretty bad. Besides they have plans for her, I am sure. So they are going after Jon, and will hurt him in his pocket book. I am not an attorney but that's JMO. Are you an att.?
ReplyDeleteI would hazard a guess that there will be a settlement offer before going to court. TLC wants those kids on TV, for the big bucks. Sooooo, the pressure is on Jon!
Baby Mama, i still do not know how to save my post on here. Do you just go to files like other stuff? I feel real stupid about this blogging stuff, still.
Sorry I think I used the wrong term. I meant Child Support not Alimony. If Jon lost all the money he gained from the divorce (50% of their net worth) in the lawsuit, he would have no money left. He would be able to get child support from Kate, who has been the primary bread winner in the house for the past two years.
ReplyDeleteAt the time of the divorce Jon was a stay at home dad taking care of the kids on a daily basis. So he doesn't have any income except for the show at the time. Kate still had her book and all her speak engagements, because Jon asked them to stop the show doesn't mean he has to pay child support. Its all based on income.
Jon and Kate were paying $7500 in child support each month into their joint bank account to pay the household expenses. So Jon did pay for household expenses and family stuff from his "extra gigs".
Lucy, I don't think Jon ever said he just took $22k, he said his last transaction was for that and over the course of a couple months he took $175k. That pretty well exactly the same amount the Judge ordered him to give back and was his lawyers response to Kate's public statement: http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79372/index.html
Sorry, I hate to be coming off one sided I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions.
Watching more j&K+8 episodes and darn it... Jon and Kate, you guys are so funny and cute! And really annoying sometimes! Sometimes I think, "Poor Jon.." And sometimes, "Poor Kate.." and sometimes, "Poor _____(Fill in child's name)". They should've shown the world that against the odds, they could make it!!! What a blessing and testimony they could've had.... makes me so sad.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Schmeck - I have to tell you that even if we don't agree all the time, you always sound intelligent (albeit nitpicky :) and you always use good grammar and punctuation. I, for one, admire that above many other things! I know you are trying to be objective most of the time and that's admirable, but this apparently is a fan site so it may not sit well all the time. That's okay. MANY times in the past, I have read your comments and agree with what you've said, just not the interview ones. It's not personal... pretty much :)
Regarding alimony and/or child support: in Pennsylvania it is strictly based on a mathematical formula. I am not a lawyer, but I do live in PA and am in the midst of a divorce myself.
ReplyDeleteThe court looks at the income from both sides, and then applies a formula. To put it very basically, say Kate made 1000 dollars per week, Jon made 500 dollars per week. The formula would require Kate to be responsible for twice as much child support as Jon.
It also takes into consideration custody. If custody is truly 50-50, then the example above would be correct. It would change accordingly if custody were 60-40, 70-30, etc. The parent with the greater percentage of physical custody pays lesser support.
It can be complicated, BUT if Kate earns more than Jon, her share would be greater.
Additionally, whomever made reference to Jon being the "stay at home" parent, was on target: should he decide to seek spousal support, that very likely would come into play. If Kate were supporting Jon while he was staying home with the kids, it could be determined that she must continue to provide him with the income he was accustomed to.
Like I said, I'm not an attorney, just speaking from experience. I made approximately double what my ex-husband did. He would have won spousal support from me had he asked for it (he didn't).
Not sure how all of this plays out because they are using an arbitrator. Don't know how the rules change going about child support and alimony if it's outside of a Judge.
ReplyDeleteIf they WERE before a judge (and this is the way it works in MD - so PA could be totally different, too) - I believe there is a federal guideline for child support. It's a formula that takes both parents incomes and works it out from there. What if one parent is 'unemployed' at the time? Then they look at what the person COULD reasonably make as income based on prior employment and education. Then the judge will use THAT amount in the calculation.
As for the TLC lawsuit - again - it will depend on the law and if their 'seperation' is a 'legal seperation' (defined by law) or not. Again, if two people are legally seperated - the monies made AFTER that 'official' split - then cannot be touched by lawsuits that occur after that affect - unless the lawsuit is based on something that happened before the 'official split' -- so if TLC is only going after Jon for his actions AFTER he and Kate were officially split - then Kate and the kids are probably ok. The law is written this way so that one person cannot go out and deliberately act in a way that could financially hurt their estranged spouse. (So, let's say a wife cannot go out and charge up thousands on credit cards after he husband and her are legally seperated and the husband suddenly be responsible for paying them off because their actual divorce wasn't final). Again, I am basing my comments on how the law works in MD. Other states may be totally different.
I don't think this will make it to court unless Jon wants the publicity from this to help keep him in the spotlight. I think there will be some sort of settlement in the case before that happens? I guess it depends on how 'his people' think it will play out for his 'marketability'. Maybe a reality show is in the works for 'Life of a Loser' or something.
Mo Designs, - Yes, lets clear up some misconceptions. You say Kate was the bread winner for the last two years......i think that needs some clarification. They were each paid by TLC up until Jon stopped the filming. Now remember the show is J&K and all their money was put in joint accounts to pay all the household bills. It's not called child support, yet.
ReplyDeleteHis gigs have not contributed any monies to household expenses, if he made any money, we don't know that yet either.
Kates books and appearences............she thought all that money should be hers, she said she wrote the first book. But after talking with her attorney she found out that anything pertaining to the J&K show title had to be split with Jon. Also, she did not write very much of that book. I think it was Beth Carson that wrote it and Jon edited it. So thennnnnn,
Kate had to share. By putting all three names on it they got to keep 2/3s of the profits and Beth got her share. Kate was not happy about this at all. That is why the cookbook will not be out until after the divorce is final, because she wants it all.
They are still in mediation of their assets. There is also missing book money that Jon says Kate has stassed. A million bucks according to Jon, and he is expecting to get his fair share.
Yah, right!
In most divorces that don't settle the attornies get most of the money and the parents are left picking up the pieces. That just about sums it up for me, how about you?
One more thing, the show is still going so Kate is still getting paid, and I wonder if it is half or the whole amount?????No way to find an answer to this one????? Kate won't tell.
Jon is not blabbing about it, so who knows???
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ReplyDeleteTLC is not going to hurt Kate, that would make the Big Corp. giant look pretty bad.
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Why would they? She didnt violate any contracts. This lawsuit has absolutly nothing to do with Kate no matter what way you twist it. This is about an adult who signed a contract and then violated that contract. And as every adult knows when you do something wrong there are consequences. Now as for the money, child support and alimony is based on your income, the divorce will probably be over before the lawsuit. The 2 have nothing to do with each other as they are in 2 different states even. And as Jon as so boldly stated he will always make money so I dont see the issue.
I was wrong! That isn't the INF photographer that was Jon's bodyguard. Wonder if TLC will take depositions from the major paparazzi company owners (INF, Splash, etc.) and other media publications (ET, Insider, etc) about how much they've paid Jon? Or, since his pr rep's (Heller the son) would know in theory what he was paid, would that cover it?
ReplyDeleteI do feel sorry for Jon even though I think he brought this upon himself. Now he's going to have the divorce proceedings in December along with the TLC lawsuit. Probably one or the other will get postponed. For Kate's sake, I hope the divorce can be finalized.
Funny thing about contracts - companies expect you to honor what you agreed to do. Did anybody see the Adidas issue with Central Florida University? Adidas has a contract with CFU and their athletes have to wear Adidas products. Michael Jordan's son wore Air Jordan's in a recent game. Adidas is now saying they will not renew the contract with CFU for any of their sports. Jordon's son thought he had permission but didn't. Point being - sponsors who invest mega $$ don't want you doing things they don't control.
I have a bias against smoking. I found the paparazzi photos of Jon smoking in the car with the twins very offensive. Some states are passing laws now that you cannot smoke in a car with minor children. I don't think PA is one of them. Perhaps one of you who are PA residents could comment (Mosbius Designs - don't you live near them?)
ReplyDeleteI wish he'd stop smoking to help his own health. It offends me that he smokes around children. Several of the tups had breathing problems as infants and had to have breathing treatments. (I had one with similar problems.) My doctor said that children with these problems are much more prone to asthma and that under no circumstances should we allow smokers around.
Paparazzi may or may not be damaging to children (I think they are and have written my elected officials.) But, we all know that smoking is a carcinogen and that breathing second hand smoke can be very dangerous.
Smoking outside his home is better than smoking inside for the children. I assumed that Jon didn't smoke "up close" to his children. But seeing those photos of kids in the back seat and Jon smoking in the front seat (even with the window down) just made me want to cry.
Jon was smoking in the car with his kids?!?!??! OMG! What an ass. He needs to be stopped! NOW!
ReplyDeleteI too have a bias against smoking. Only because it is one of the few things that you can do to harm your own body (which of course is your choice) but also harm those around you. It's air pollution and land pollution and the second hand smoke is people pollution! Not only that, Jon is shortening the life of the father of his children.
Linda, I also want to add that I hold no ill will toward you whatsoever.
Cleft, LOL!!! that you admire my grammar and punctuation! My friends call me the "grammar police". Nothing annoys me more than when a typo slips into one of my comments. But thanks for your comments. I have no ill will toward you either and I enjoy reading all your comments, whether I agree with them or not. Same goes for everyone here.
One thing I would like to address is yes, this is a fan site, however, it's a fan site for Jon and Kate Plus 8, so if nothing negative should be said about Kate, then nothing negative should be said about Jon so I don't feel that argument holds water. Sorry. ;)
I will add that I will most likely still post if it becomes Kate Plus 8 because of the 8, however, if it becomes the Kate Gosselin Fan Site then I will have probably have to concede and relinquish my commenting rights. *sigh
I am under the impression that the undetermined amount of money TLC is going to try to get from Jon is his payment from all his unauthorized gigs.
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ReplyDeleteThanks! I did rewatch that part of the interview and Kate did say the marriage was over "some time last year". How did I not notice she said that?
All this stuff about the finances and how it will affect Kate and the children if Jon is sued by TLC is so confusing.
ReplyDeleteAll I know is Jon pays $7,500 a month towards household bills and expenses from wherever he gets his money. If he loses all his money in a lawsuit then he won't be able to contribute to the expenses. Seems like Kate and the kids lose in that regard.
I'm not sure why Jon doesn't just honor his contract and say Sure, I'll continue getting paid for doing very little, but my children still cannot be filmed. He's not going to be making money elsewhere that I can see. What are his other options?
I understand he wants to be able to speak up, etc but I think he's spoken enough and needs to concentrate on raising his children.
Also, how can his lawyer be deposed? I'm pretty sure he can be subpoenaed but can't he just claim client/attorney privilege?
Katherine D. - I was referring to the lawsuit. It stated it was against the corp. that J&K started and in one of Kates interviews she said it could very well effect her and the Kids. That why I thought TLC would not involve her in it.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember which interview it was, there have been so many.lol
Jon sure did head far far away from the kids again. It's being reported he was back in LA yesterday? Looks like he's at some sort of spa/luxury hotel? Taking yoga classes?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/photos/jon-gosselin-yoga-2009511/4927?sk=be
His money situation must not be too bad. I mean if he's able to jet around the country - stay at hotels like the one he's pictured at - with nothing more to do than lounge around the pool and do yoga?
Anyone know if he's out there for some specific reason? I heard/read somewhere he has a new gal pal out in CA?
Yes, if they "corp" that they set up is found to be liable - then it probably can affect Kate - UNLESS - she somehow relinquished her position in that corp with the separation (something she conceded to Jon?).
ReplyDeleteMark Heller can be deposed because he is not legally able to represent Jon in the state of Maryland. He faces the same problem in MD that he did trying to represent Jon in PA. Therefore, he is not Jon's legal counsel for the matter and he can be deposed.
dhwh1993: We must have been thinking alike and typing at about the same time! :)
#1caregiver, I am all for clearing up misconceptions but am wondering where some of your facts are coming from. I'm not saying you are wrong but I have heard other things. It would be helpful to know your souses
ReplyDelete1) You said Kate "thought all that money should be hers, she said she wrote the first book."
How do you know this? What is the source?
I have heard Kate specifically describe the writing process for the the first book. She said that she and Beth went to a hotel for a couple of weekends and she relayed everything to Beth who wrote it.
2) Where did you hear that her attorney told her that money related to anything J&K had to be split? I have never heard Kate say that and I would be shocked to hear that her attornies said that publicly.
3) Likewise I am curious about your source for the reason the cookbook was delayed. I read the statement the Christian publisher put out around the time the divorce was announced and esentially the publishers chose not to go forward given the changing family circumstances. It was very clear the publisher was distancing themselves from the Gosselins not the other way around.
dhwh1993
ReplyDeleteOne comment on spousal support. It is not as if Kate would be paying Jon the rest of their lives because he stayed home with the kids 2 years. This is from the PA law:
"When determining the amount and duration of support, the court will consider the following: A.The earning potential and earning capacities of the parties. B.The ages and health condition of the parties. C.The income of the parties. D.The expectancies and inheritances of the parties. E.The length of the marriage. F.The contribution by one party to the earning capacity of the other. G.The extent to which the earning power, expenses or financial obligations of a party will be affected by reason of serving as the custodian of a minor child. H.The standard of living of the parties established while married. I.The relative education of the parties and the time necessary to acquire sufficient education or training to enable the party seeking alimony to find appropriate employment. J.The relative assets and liabilities of the parties. K.Any pre-marital property. L.The contribution of a spouse as homemaker. M.The relative needs of the parties. N. Any marital misconduct or fault O.Tax consequences P.Whether the party seeking alimony lacks sufficient property Q.Whether the party seeking alimony is incapable of self-support through appropriate employment. (Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes - Title 23 - Sections: 3701, 3702, 3704, 3706)
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ReplyDeleteI am under the impression that the undetermined amount of money TLC is going to try to get from Jon is his payment from all his unauthorized gigs.
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That's the impression I got but isn't that the only money Jon has? TLC stopped paying him so he has no other income, unless it's from his supposed IT work.
Hope,
ReplyDeleteYes, I understand he can be deposed, however, I was wondering if he actually has to divulge any information based on the fact that he is bound by client/attorney privilege. I was under the impression that whatever is said between a client and his attorney is private even if the client is not representing the client in the current case.
I'm not a lawyer so of course I'm basing this in what Tom Cruise's character Mitch McDeere told the Moralto gangsters in The Firm. lol.
I think the point TLC is going after in deposing Mark Heller is:
ReplyDelete1. If he advised/counseled Jon to go ahead with contracts outside those agreed to by TLC and did it knowing that Jon was already under contract with TLC.
2. As an officer of the court, if he advised Jon to go ahead with other deals, perhaps he may be held liable.
3. Date that Jon decided filming was unhealthy for kids. TLC says they were not advised of it until after they announced K+8; Heller says they'd been discussing it for "some time." Hope he can document his notes and that when Jon is deposed he says the same thing.
Sorry, I think Heller's a much better liar than Jon. It's going to take a long time for Jon to learn the script.
Hope, I don't think Jon is having major cashflow issues at the moment. Not from the looks of it anyway, plus I saw a pap interview on ETonline (posted only a day or 2 ago). Looks like he's planning a trip to Hawaii. I know he says it's to see the family, but the point is that money is not a big issue for making any trips. Plus he's not selling the car or changing appartments (to a cheaper one of course!)
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Now, I've just had a chance to re-watch the Jon & Hailey interview with Mary Hart. Full concentration this time without multi-tasking with office work LOL.
I just have to say that watching the clips, I had this sudden sense of deja vu. It was like watching Jon and Kate bickering. Well at least the dynamics and energy felt strangely familiar. Also, I was watching the episode on How They Met. I think it was Christmas and they were already engaged. Jon was filming a home video of Kate and himself, and he was speaking to the camera. Kate was in the background asking if he was recording. And Kate being Kate, she repeated herself twice when Jon ignored her, the last time more firmly. Jon got irritated and snapped at her. From the looks of it, he looked pretty miffed. Here I was sitting and watching a mere clip and I flinched, but Kate just laughed at her own silliness, wished Jon "Merry Christmas" and gave him a few kisses. Jon just looked sullen and irritated, like a spoilt child (I kid you not).
Thinking on these two clips, I'm just wondering how much of this side of Jon had we not seen all these years? I think back on Linda's comment about what she saw at Disney, and it just reaffirms this uncomfortable feeling that Kate might have been taking alot more than what we all saw, and yet she is the one being bullied by nasty comments on her abusing Jon.
I'd like to take this objectively and think of something positive to defend Jon, but I am seriously drawing a blank here. What rings very strongly in my head is this:
Jon tends to live in his own world most of the time and ignores the situation around him. This may possibly have led to Kate taking a more aggressive tone to snap him out of these "spacing out" episodes. Seeing the way she reacted to him snapping in the early days, it seems like Kate didn't always approach Jon in an aggressive way. It's no excuse for Kate's snappy tones, and I think Kate admitted that as well. But I honestly, I can fully understand how this evolved over time. When there are 8 kids to handle and a situation gets sticky (which will be quite often with that number of young kids), you can't really afford a slow reaction or just to let it happen. Disaster with one kid is bad enough. If you multiply that by 8.. PHEW... So maybe snapping or shouting at Jon was Kate's way of snapping him back into reality, or to snap some reaction into him.
If the ET interview is to be trusted and Hailey is showing her emotions and reactions in genuine manner, it looks very likely that the relationship is heading in the same direction as his relationship with Kate. At some point, Hailey will just keep snapping at him to get some reaction and make him talk honestly. Scary to think that he might possibly be the one bringing out all these bad reactions from his partners.
SchmeckyGirl,
ReplyDeleteYes, I think Kate did mention about the marriage going south a year ago. This is just my opinion, but I feel what Kate meant was that it was a year ago when she/they realised that the marriage was headed for disaster. This was probably when she finally realised that Jon was heading in a completely different direction from where she was headed. It doesn't mean that they split up a year ago. It just means that it was a year ago when they realised they had to do something about this, but may not have yet decided to split up. Judging from Kate's character and her faith, I think she would have wanted to try fighting for the marriage, for the kids. It may well have been much much later when they finally decided to really call it quits.
#1caregiver said..
ReplyDelete"...she thought all that money should be hers, she said she wrote the first book. But after talking with her attorney she found out that anything pertaining to the J&K show title had to be split with Jon. Also, she did not write very much of that book. I think it was Beth Carson that wrote it and Jon edited it. So thennnnnn, Kate had to share. By putting all three names on it they got to keep 2/3s of the profits and Beth got her share. Kate was not happy about this at all. That is why the cookbook will not be out until after the divorce is final, because she wants it all.
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Re: Kate's feelings - Is this information based on fact or rumor? Just wondering, because it sounds like you're stating this as a fact.
Schmeck -- haha! We have something in common! I am the grammar police as well! (although I probably use .... and !!! and "" far too often because that's the way I talk!) And I agree about the fan site comment. None of us usually have anything negative to say about the kids so maybe the name should be changed to Gosselin Kids Fan Site!
ReplyDeletePAR: I agree, it would definitely NOT be forever. Usually only a couple of years at the most, changes with any forthcoming marriages, etc. Plus, Jon, as far as I know, has not filed for spousal support, but rather the other way around. Some of the data you cited relates to whether or not it would be a "at fault" or "no fault" divorce. I do think they filed for no fault, but could be wrong. Like I said, not an attorney. Kate does have greater earning power, IMO, both before and after the show. OK, I'm done on support.
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ReplyDeleteOPPS!!!, I see now that I posted on the wrong place. Just finished reading these. Lots to thing about for now. Got to get busy today, so will try to respond later. Or did I say too much already??? lol
As Raelin commented, the same dynamics seen between him and Kate are coming out between him and Hailey.
ReplyDeleteFor me, Jon's interview on ET proved that he is tried-and-true passive aggressive.
With Hailey, like with Kate, he "avoids." Avoids arguments, sticky conversations, and figuratively or literally, as when he walked off the set, leaves.
Hailey seems less assertive than Kate, could just be less maturity or need to be assertive, but clearly she is very frustrated with his passive aggressiveness.
The problem with being passive aggressive is that things can't be avoided forever, and the longer they're avoided, the bigger they eventually blow.
well it was very upsetting that he is dating! but she is a good gal she keeps on saying do this for your children do that for your children! and isnt that! good kate if you are reading this iam sorry that he did that to! you! and if i ever see the poperozy i will throw a pir in there face! p.s kate you are a SUPER MOM
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