Monday, May 25, 2009

Jon & Kate Plus 8: Turning 5 And The Future


"When we last saw Jon & Kate, they were on a different page. Where are they now? In this one-hour, up close and personal season premiere, side by side Jon and Kate address what the future holds for their family."

Feel free to post and comment while the show is on. It's an hour and 15 minutes and no doubt there will be lots to discuss!

147 comments:

  1. Someone has to give me the deal on what's going on! I don't have TLC any more and am dying here!!

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  2. Jon and Kate
    I am so glad to see that what the tabloids have written aren't totally true. But even if it was you both just redid your vows not to long ago so this means something. think about it if you didn't really love each other you wouldn't have gone through that I also want you to kknow that everyone in this life makes bad dcisions and big mistakes. But you forgive because your love is stronger than the mistakes. Please let the anger go and start to focus on the things you love.

    I love your show. I am 53 years old with 7 grandchildren now and I think that your relationship can work. Please don't give up.

    Luanne

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  3. I promise, as soon as I'm able to put the episode up I will. I was going to put up the season 4 finale but didn't get a chance. Basically, Jon said he didn't cheat on Kate. Yet he needed a "weekend off" so Kate went to Party City with the kids by herself. They went and picked up the Party decorations. Kate spoke a bit more about Jon's "poor choices". She also talked about how the media & the paps stalk them (they also showed it). This looks like it's gonna get good (lol)

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  4. Thanks Baby Mama for the update! Can't wait to see the episode online in a few days. I'm so tempted to just upgrade my cable again :-)

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  5. I feel bad for the family. When they went to the party store and Kate said to unbuckle yourselves quickly before you opent he door so the "p people" don't see in. How awful!!! Those people are sick!!
    So far, I like this episode. They're covering what everyone wants to know.

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  6. this episode has such a somber note to it, it makes my heart ache for all of them. The little kids seem blissfully unaware but Cara and Mady seem to "get it" on some level. It hurts to watch Jon and Kate this way and I'm really rooting for them to come together again.

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  7. I'm commenting again because I am very teary-eyed. When Jon and Alexis where talking. Oh my goodness. "Daddy, I don't want you to leave anymore."
    The little kids clearly have a sense of what's going on and it's heartbreaking!

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  8. This is breaking my heart. I've watched them since the beginning and feel like they are a part of my family, haha, and you can tell that all this is taking a huge toll on them. I am definitely sending prayers their way. They need no more negativity.

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  9. Alexis: Daddy, I don't want you to leave anymore. ouch. even I felt that one.

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  10. I watched this show faithfully for 2 years. But last season I really got the feeling there was not "reality" involved. If Kate was really worried about the kids and family, there would not be a season 5. TLC needs to cut this show and focus on Table for 12. These people are not neurotic and act like a real family. If this 8 kids aren't going to be messed up for life it is fine to turn off the cameras.

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  11. Was anyone happy to see that Carla & her daughter were there? That woman is the greatest helper. I guess when people say Kate has no long term friends they forget about Carla. Yeah, hearing Jon give the story about having to "be away" really made me sad. I'm too emotional for this. Please get back together and give us a happy ending! I'm dying! (lol)

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  12. I agree I just feel so sad for them. You can see their pain on their faces!

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  13. oh man. I really hope they can repair what went wrong between them. They so need some time to remember who and what they were before they became "J&K+8" and remember Jon and Kate Gosselin. remember why they fell in love with eachother in the first place, what brought them together before the kids. I hope they can do it, but it doesn't seem like it can. They both seem so sad and resigned and it's a shame.

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  14. I have watched this show season in and season out, and i am one of the Gosselin's biggest fan, but I can't even tell you how upset that episode made me. I hated to see the family like that. I cried my eyes out for at least the final 15 minutes, if not more. Wow, nothing like tearing at your heart. :( i still want nothing but the best for them.

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  15. Now that was an angry woman. At least Jon acknowledges that he has used terrible judgement lately. I hope they can work it out in a way that is best for everyone.

    They got married so young though, and so many marriage fail- no one is immune to that. I didn't know marriages with multiple children were more likely to fail- though I suppose I am not surprised.

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  16. OMG I didnt know I was going to cry but this makes me very sad to see them like this, I wanted to yell at the TV and tell Jon to stop talking like that, lol But its obvious things are very bad :( But its nice that they can come together for the kids, the birthday party was really cute and looked like fun. I just wanted to hug Kate sitting there on the couch crying though, how heartbreaking.

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  17. Ok, now that I have dried my tears, I am hopeful for them. Did anyone notice that Kate was wearing the dress that was she wore when the new set was showed in the short video clip from TLC? Jon straightened her dress in that clip. I have a glimmer of hope that this will work out. OMG, I cried when Jon was talking to Alexis. When Kate cried my heart just broke in two. Hang in there Kate, we love you.

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  18. That episode has left me with the biggest ache in my belly. It reminded me of how my parents acted around each other right before they got divorced and how they tried to come together for us "kids." All the kids feel and know way more than anyone can give them credit for.

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  19. As I sit here writing this, I feel the show totally magnifies what families with kids go through everyday. It is truly sad and I think Kate should consider Jon's wishes more. I feel she is pushing her family out of the way for fame. Who agrees or disagrees? Don't get me wrong, I love this show and I am not a hater!

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  20. Watching this episode was so sad. I really hope Jon & Kate can mend their relationship. Even my husband, who normally does not like this show, watched it w/me and agreed it was a very sad episode on both parts. I'm glad the kids had such a great birthday party. I'm looking forward to future episodes and I really hope Jon & Kate can come together and agree on counseling.
    Praying for this family.

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  21. I am very sad. It seems that they are both committed to be there for their children but I didn't hear them say they were committed to keeping their marriage. It sounds like they are giving up way too easily. Marriage is a lot of work you have to keep working on it all of the time. I wish they would both watch the fireproof movie and read the love dare book. They at least need to go for some counselling and try before giving up.

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  22. So what happened when they finally "faced" each other for the first time?

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  23. After watching tonight's show I feel such sadness for the family.I also have been watching the show for years.I hope that they are able to come together and hold onto their marriage. It has to be such a hard life to live being in the eyes of the public. As much as I would miss the show, family comes first and when something begins to break apart your family you stop it. If that means the book tour then you stop it, if that means no more filming then you stop it, those children and that marriage are far more important than the show and books.I am praying for peace for the Gosselin Family!!

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  24. I am just heartbroken. This episode felt so sad to me...even with the party. Kate and Jon were so distant with each other during the party and I feel the kids can sense that. I felt Jon was talking in circles...he seemed so different and so distant. I send so much love and thought to them and to the children. I hope this family can stay strong.

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  25. Does anyone know the name of the song that was playing when they flashed back to all the little kids earlier birthday?

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  26. Jon said himself that the whole show has turned into a business. Clearly, Jon doesn't want his family exposed on TV anymore. That was evident on the last show of season 4. From what I gather Kate seems to be the one wanting the show. Maybe for the money? Maybe for the fame? I'm not knocking the fact that she is a strong woman and knows what she wants, but she needs to think about the WHOLE family. It obviously doesn't look like she is doing it for her husband and even though both say they are there for the kids it looks like the show is pulling them apart and in the end the show will not help the kids. I think they need to take a couple years off and focus on each other first before they think about the "show." Honestly, the show is not going to be fun to watch if all we see are the painful, awkward moments between them. I got hooked on this show because of their love for each other and for their kids.

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  27. I had a hard time watching this episode tonight. I have watched the show from the beginning, and always thought Jon and Kate were great together. It breaks my heart to see what they are going through, and to watch them barely acknowledging each other at the kids' birthday party.

    Regardless of what people are saying about Kate negatively, no one deserves to go through what she's going through. John knew exactly what Kate was like when he asked her to marry him, and if he couldn't handle it at any point, he should've been man enough to come to her instead of get caught in compromising situations with younger girls.

    I hope they're able to reconnect and find a way back to each other. The show just isn't the same...

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  28. I feel sad, also. I LOVE Kate and feel like they,(Kate and Jon), still love each other and just have lost their way. Maybe TLC will bring in a great marriage counselor. I feel it is important to have someone interceed that has the interest of the family and their vows in mind. I know those two love God, too. Maybe its time to focus on why they fell in love in the first place. By the way, they are just so adorable, that whole family. I hope Jon realizes that Kate is a treasure and visa versa. "Time heals all wounds."

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  29. So it is May and Kate says this has been going on for at least 6 months. Maybe even longer she said. That in itself scares me. Just last August the whole family was happy and J&K were still in love and re-newed their vows...how does that all change in less than a year? Obviously fame and money really do change you but it really is just so sad. :(

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  30. Why is it hard to get my comments on? I write nothing but nice things about the family. I see other posts come on without a glitch. Can someone,(running this site) e-mail me?

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  31. My eyes welled up with tears when Alexis said that to Jon about not wanting him to leave anymore. If no one cheated I don't see why they are even thinking about divorce. I understand being miserable in your marriage, been there done that, but you stick it out! I don't feel like the question was answered then about why they might get a divorce because if neither cheated is it just b/c they've changed into two different people? I mean it didn't say how he's changed, other than the fact he's unhappy with the limelight. It still left a lot of questions I felt. So sad though, I felt so sad after watching this, not happy but sad and devastated for them. I too have watched from the beginning and to see them end up in this place is just so very sad. I have heard rumor though that they are getting marriage counseling and it will be filmed. But that is certainly just a rumor we will see if it turns out to be true. Just so sad!TLC definetly painted a doomed picture. I just don't know if I should believe it or not.

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  32. I do hope they can go to counseling and remember why they came together... I love them so much and it broke my heart to see that their relationship might end... I hope they can do this and make it right again!

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  33. I wish I could hear ONE of them say they love each other. They both have maintained for so long the love they have for their children and they are in it for their children...while all of that is SO important, they need each other. I see both sides. On one hand Jon was probably sick of Kate and all her comments directed to him (which got really bad in season 4) and I can see some episodes where Kate was craving attention from Jon...Regardless, they both put wedges between them. After the premiere, I felt like Kate wanted to work on her marriage and Jon didnt. I hope I am wrong. I feel sorry for them and really hope they can work it out, not just for their children, but for Jon and Kate. They deserve to be in a happy, loving marriage. I hope they can work it out. I just keep hoping it isnt as bad as it seems on TV. I am pulling for them for sure!! I wish they could be happy.

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  34. That episode was incredibly sad:(
    I am totally thinking things are gonna turn around and get better for them. In my opinion I'm not feeling a divorce in their future. Lots of hard work though to get things back on track are for sure in their future. Guess we'll see huh??

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  35. I am so incredibly saddened by this episode. I am not a person that often cries during movies/TV, but this one really got to me. When one of the little girls said "Daddy, I don't want you to go away anymore" I just couldn't keep back the tears. I understand that I don't know everything that J&K are going through -- but from this episode, it seems that Jon would like to stop with the show/media attention/etc, and that Kate would like for it to continue. I know it is simple for me to say it, but I feel that if Kate would concede to stopping the show/book tours/etc and work on her marriage it could benefit them both. Like I said--I don't know all that has TRULY gone on, but I think that perhaps that could be an answer. Clearly something has happened besides the fact that there is a difference of future goals between J&K-- you can just tell between the complete lack of connection/ effort to avoid one another/etc. When Jon says that he did not cheat on Kate, I can believe that he did not sleep with another woman. However, there are other things that, to me, are considered cheating -- such as being in the company of another woman that is not your wife and sharing time together that contains emotions that are more than just what friends would have. I am truly sorry that all of the 10 of them are going through any of this. I just hope and pray that they get back to their Christian roots and look to God for help in this time. J&K+8 -- you are in my prayers!

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  36. So many mixed emotions after watching the season premier. I get the feeling that there is so much more going on then we are seeing/reading about. Like Kate said, it's very hard to read a tabloid article and think about the life of those written about....but to me it was obvious that this is harder on her than on Jon. If I were them I would STOP all publicity engagements (do you really need more $ right now?), stay home and focus on yourselves and your family. I would hate for them to end their relationship w/out exahausting every option for keeping it together first.

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  37. My thoughts about the show...after the last episode last season... Why not just do a special event show...or something like that...like maybe one a quarter...that way it would be a win win for Jon and for Kate... My heart was so sad tonight...especially for the kids and even Kate...there is so much that we aren't seeing..

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  38. I just feel that when they renewed their vows (Kate must have known something back then...even subconsciously because Kate kept telling their kids that they were doing it so that they would know that their mommy and daddy would be together forever)...and if they were to split, the children would lose all trust in the world. Now only they will know what is the right course of action for their family, but I just feel that they need each other now more then ever. Only the two of them could possibly have ANY understanding of what each other could be going through...since their experiences are unlike anyone else's (even that of other famous people). Who else can they reach out to but to each other? In my mind, forgiveness is the ultimate expression of strength...not the ability to go it alone.

    I truly wish them ALL happiness and a positive outcome (whatever that be). I hope that both Jon and Kate follow this blog so that they can feel the GENUINE support of everyone who posts (and know that people are not taking sides). They don't owe anything to anybody except that of themselves and their children.

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  39. I understand why they continue with the show and why Kate continues the book tours, they HAVE to. There is no way to support the kids. This is their job. Who could just quit their job anyway?

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  40. They can only repair the relationship if they want to repair it, and I'm convinced Kate doesn't want that. If she really wanted what was best for her relationship and her children, she would cancel the show at least temporarily.
    The paparazzi are ridiculous, but that's what you get when you sign up for that kind of lifestyle. Change the lifestyle, fix a lot of your problems. I don't buy this needing the money thing. There are happy families all over this world who make finances work.
    What I heard a lot of tonight from Kate was "I, I, I" with nothing but throwing Jon under the bus. As his wife, she should care about his feelings too and not just her own.
    I have always loved those kids and up until recently, the show, but I'm afraid to say that has all changed now. I hope the Gosselins get their issues worked out before there is serious damage done to those sweet children.

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  41. I am so upset that things have turned out this way for this family. The part when Jon was talking to Alexis at the party broke my heart. I wish everyone talking badly about the family would understand that it will affect the kids. One question I would like answered is if Cara and Mady are having a hard time at school through all this? That's what I'm worried about, those poor kids and what they are going to hear from other kids and most likely, mean parents. I hope that Jon and Kate can discuss things and find a way to move past it all because I just love their family and I used to relate to them so much.

    I was DISGUSTED at the paparazzi at the birthday party. Are some things just not off limits? Sure the TLC crew was there, but they are used to those people and it is just different. I am keeping that family in my prayers.

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  42. My jaw literally hit the floor as I watched Jon and Kate walk right past each other so many times during this episode without even looking or speaking to one another... I can't believe this is happening! I was near tears so many times. I really hope that they can work it out, we've seen the footage of them from 10 years ago, and even just a few years ago...they loved each other so much! I hope they don't end up being another statistic when it comes to couples who document their lives on tv!!! =(

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  43. I was very sad for Kate and her family tonight. She seemed so sad, almost heartbroken in a way. She is living for the kids, Jon says that he is, but if you see how he behaves (birthday party organizing, set-up) it doesn't seem like it. No doubt that he loves them and will do anything for them, but it seems that Kate wants to keep the entire family together and that Jon would rather be separated and deal with life that way. Alexis is cute as a button and she made me tear up! I will pray that things work out for them. Hopefully the mean people out there will leave them alone, stop picking on them and realize that they are like anyone else--trying to make a living, do the best for their family and live life. I wish they were happy and laughing with each other the way they have in the past... :( I love them and I love watching their show and reading Kate's books. I don't think it's about the show for Jon anymore--he's using that as an excuse for his behavior. It seems that he's "checked out" of the marriage (at least to a point). And, well...that's selfish. Sorry. I hope they can work it out in a way that benefits them all in a positive way.

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  44. This is just all so depressing. I almost can't stand to watch this...it just feels like the end or something! I know deep down that Jon and Kate can work this out...I know they love eachother, and I hope they will work things out and stay together, it just wouldn't be right for them to not be together...I would terribly miss the show but I believe they should just stop filming and do whatever it takes to bring their beautiful family back together! This may or may not be what Jon and Kate want to do, but I will be praying for them.

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  45. Good insight Delta Phi!

    forgiveness is the ultimate expression of strength...not the ability to go it alone.

    That is so true Loveli!!

    I totally agree w/ you both!

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  46. I watched tonight and it makes my heart ache for those children. When Alexis hugged and kissed her daddy and said daddy please don't leave, it broke me up. How could they do this to their children. They need to get counseling and make this work for their children. I personally think Kate needs to not be so hard and mean to Jon. She's too much of a control freak and appears to not be very nice to him or even sometimes the children.

    It's not easy raising children, and I can't even imagine being in her spot, but she should realize that these children need their mother and father together and for them to see their mother and father showing love to each other. How is that going to affect them as they grow? I pray for this family.

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  47. I think that both Jon and Kate are good people in a bad situation. Kate, you have to listen to Jon. I believe in one of the episodes you say something like 'I think Jon should be the head of the household but he doesn't like to step up and say anything.' Well now he is. Get out and focus on your marriage and your family. Kids don't need money, they need family - a happy healthy one. Keep trying, we know you can do it.

    Praying for you...

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  48. I wish I would of counted how many times Kate said... I'm doing this alone, I'm home alone... alone, alone, alone. Isn't she the one traveling all the time and Jon is home alone? So why is she constantly pointing out that she is doing it, ALONE? He is gone for once, and she is alone, we get it!

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  49. i am so heartbroken by this. what is so upsetting is that they are a "faith" based family! they are getting their priorities all mixed up. i hope that these 2 can work this out. they need to compromise. i understand them both, but have you ever thought....men are born to provide for their families, just like they are born to protect. it is the way they were made. that was taken away from Jon, he provided for the family at their hardest time in life. he was out providing, taking care of his family. now, it is different. he takes care of them, but not financially! *sigh* i just hope and pray for them to compromise and stop being so stubborn. and Kate has to see that she can't tear her husband down in the public eye, she has to build him up, not embarass him. i pray for them, i will be devistated if they can't work this out! those babies need their parents to be together!

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  50. I don't know how many times they used the phrase "for the kids". Really? For the kids is saying we are going to try everything to make this work...to not break the hearts...change them for life. Go to counceling. Say your sorry. Do whatever it takes. WHATEVER it takes. Quit the show. Stop the tour. What does it all matter if you don't have each other? If your kids (whom you will say have adjusted fine - all divorced couples do) are falling apart on the inside?

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  51. Hi I'm recently new to the site. Just have to say, I'm so glad to see a sort of safe Haven for those who support the Gosselin family. Too much negativity out there right now.

    I saw the episode and first off I just have to say how courageous they are for really addressing those issues. I expected maybe a few minutes dedicated to those subjects, but they really took time during the show to address the problems going on from their POV.

    I feel like they both are very dedicated towards the family. Kate as always had a strong survivor feeling, whereas Jon just looked so beat down and defeated. I think his segments were the hardest to watch. I think the only thing that I wanted to hear and didn't was that they were there for EACHOTHER not just for the kids. But maybe the hurt is just too much for them to put it out there right now.

    On a more positive note. The kids are adorably older and more talkative. What happened to the days where the show had transcribe what they were saying so we could understand? LOL. And how mature and kind BOTH Cara and Mady were! It gives me hope to see the kids so happy, it tells me something is still working in the family.

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  52. Kate is the problem. She needs to quit pretending she is a celeb. and understand that her "fame" is fleeting and her mistakes can last a lifetime.

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  53. I hope that for the sake of family both will try SUPER hard to work through all of this. Jon is right, this really is between him and Kate. The episode forced me look at myself. I have had very strong opinions about both parents and their behavior of "being fake and selling out" but that is NOT my place. So I am now rooting for them to work through this situation and come out stronger on the other side.

    Perhaps now would be a good time to "turn off" the camera's and tune into what is important...their children and relationship. Tabloids are fickle and will move on to something else quickly. I hope tht eventually that is what happens and they can return to the complete family they once were. I am cheering them on!

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  54. I completely take issue with anyone that says Kate wants the limelight or thinks she is a celebrity. I don't think that's true at all. I think she knows this is the best way to provide for her family. I think all the prima donna stuff is being assigned to her by the media just because she is a tough woman.

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  55. I watched the show this evening and Kate was showing more love to those children than I have ever seen her show in all the years I have tuned in-Bad thing is it is to little to late--looked very fake and forced.The whole BD thing was so staged looking.I feel for those children--too bad they do not fall under the Coogen Law.They then might have something to live on when they get old enough to leave the nest.I pray kate has a change of heart and sees what she has become--it is not pretty.

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  56. It is so obvious that they both are being selfish.

    Kate needs to be willing to give, she can't do it all.

    Jon needs to be willing to do whatEVER needs to be done. His sacrifices now WILL benefit his family. Also, Jon deserves free time. He needs the break just as much as any stay at home parent does.

    This is beyond sad. It is so unfortunate to see the current state of their family dynamics.

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  57. I wish I could tell them to just try touching eachother for a second. Who cares if you're mad. Show that you care for just a second. Kate needs to reach out and Jon needs to stop worrying about his "personality" how many times did he say that word? He used to be so animated and at least he was sweet, now he's wooden and uncaring. It's hard for me to watch Kate speak when she's so upset. And Jon to be so unavailable emotionally just because he isn't doing what he wants to be doing.

    If I could talk to him directly I would say: "The kids are 5, they're in pre-school, they'll be in Kindergarden soon. Go get a degree in something, go get a job if you're unhappy at home, the kids can have a nanny when Kate is away, hire a granny nanny or two! Seriously. Stop giving up and start doing something to make yourself useful and happy. You can't write? Do something else. Depression can suck, but you have to claw your way out Jon! You can't wallow in it. And your marriage is way too valuable to lose to an accute battle with depression. I've been there. I know. I beat it, and so can you."

    Sorry to be dramatic, but their attitudes toward their marriage just sucked. My husband and I worked through 2.5 years of my own depression and we got through it together. Even though I did want to give up on us at one point. I'm so glad we stuck to it. J+K will too, but they have to try harder. Six months is nothing, it is a blink of an eye. Keep working.

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  58. WOW is all I can say.........i knew the rumors weren't true, I have told my daughter, sister and this blog that I don't believe it. But I hate that they may not be giving their marriage a chance. They are faith based, doesn't that mean you are supposed to fight to stay together? What is wrong with people? Marriage isn't something you walk away from without a fight. GET OVER YOURSELVES and grow up! Go to counseling and get on with it already. I'm not watching anymore. I'm done, with Kate's strong will, I thought she would fight to the end, and Jon, man up for God's sake! yeah, you aren't going to a 9-5 job, but you are still working at keeping it going so that you as a PARTNER in this marriage help provide for your family. Kate stayed home and cared for the family. Stop whining and get in there! Fight for the family you 'love' so much. GAW..........I just want to scream and shake you both!!!

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  59. I liked the episode. I could sense a disconnection between Jon and Kate... infact, I saw that on the season finale last season. I even shed a tear because to me, they feel like family. I think anyone who says they don't care about there kids and such are nuts. They were both at the party, they both did that little cookout at the end... they were THERE. TOGETHER. They might not have been exactly dancing and smiling all over each other but they were THERE and that's what counts.

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  61. Ann said:

    I wish I would of counted how many times Kate said... I'm doing this alone, I'm home alone... alone, alone, alone. Isn't she the one traveling all the time and Jon is home alone? So why is she constantly pointing out that she is doing it, ALONE? He is gone for once, and she is alone, we get it!

    Wow, that is so funny! Kate used to be the one at home taking care of the kids all day with little help, she ran the home like a well oiled machine, what is wrong with women that we can't support each other? REally, she is alone, exhausted, doing tours to provide for the family and where is Jon when the party needs planned and she is worn out? Taking a day off.......PLEEZE, stop attacking her because she is strong and does what it takes. Seriously, I couldn't do it all like she does and with a husband I truly feel isn't fully mature.

    Lesley said:

    Also, Jon deserves free time. He needs the break just as much as any stay at home parent does.

    When does Kate get alone time and time to decompress? Really you all think traveling is easy and she is away from her kids all the time? That is easier??? PLEEZE, listen to yourselves! She got home from travelling and had to go take care of all the arrangements for the 5th b-day party for 6 kids.

    And it was nice to see Cara and Maddy helping. I actually saw good things out of Maddy for a change, that was nice to see, except her stomping off after the family photo, she is so petulant and I never see anything being done about it, I wonder how healthy it is to allow that behavior? Will she think it is always going to be allowed in life? Don't think so!!

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  62. i think what they are doing is great for the Kids. It is a true blessing to have all 6 healthy kids!!!
    i started watching the show because i thought, What are Power Family. the kids seem so happy and Jon and Kate seems ike such a happy couple with the typical poopy diapers
    now that you are going through rough times, i feel this is when family is most important.
    throughout all of eht seasons, i feel Kate has been bashing Jon emotionally, and he has taken it like a good husband. but the one time he goes and parties with friends, Kate feels all alone. Give Jon a break for crying out loud.
    and also not once have i seen on any episode them kissing or saying love you..WHAT IS THAT ABOUT

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  63. and one more thing..
    i dont if i am the only one feeling this but:
    filming this show has abviously affected them in a negative way whether they want to admit it or not...so i feel guilty for watching it because the more popular it gets the more i feel their issues will deepen

    but if they can goo back to the love they had 10 years ago..they will turn out fine.

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  64. Wow, theres a lot of comments, wouldnt expect anything more for an episode like that. Did anyone knotice at the end how I think Mady (maybe Cara) said "Kate....."??? She adressed her Mom by Kate, not Mom... I had to rewind the show a few times to get what I heard. Anyways, it was heartbreaking, Im so torn. Its hard to say but I really hope this will be the last season. I have been married for 4 1/2 years, we have had our hard times with only 1 child and almost got a devorse, times get tough I really hope they hang in there!!! I wish Kate would say shes doing this for JON and the kids, just not the kids... Its always about the kids, shes always said its about the kids... She needs to remember that JON is included in the family. I love this show, I love this family, but my heart is breaking for them.

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  65. There were a couple things that would indicate to ME that the show should end. Kate saying that her kids call her by the babysitter's name. Alexis telling Daddy that she doesn't like him being away. The Paparazzi.

    Why would Kate want this train wreck on TV? I'm sorry, but no amount of money is worth that. And I know it's Kate because Jon doesn't want this. He said it at the end of last season.

    I understand Kate's anger and heartache. But the last thing her family needs is to be filmed and their pictures taken. I didn't see anything in them that says they want to work this out.

    I think they are done. That's the impression I got. It's pretty sad. I don't give a darn if the married young and have 8 children. I don't give a darn if Jon feels he didn't have a choice (what a piss poor excuse for his behaivor). Those are not excuses to get a divorce. Just my opinion.

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  66. I literally cried throughout the ENTIRE episode! It just makes me sooo sad because I always thought that they'd be together forever... To this day I am convinced that they'll work this out. IDK if that's just my idealistic mind's wishful thinking but they just HAVE TO stay together.... :'-(

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  67. Cindy said:
    Kate used to be the one at home taking care of the kids all day with little help, she ran the home like a well oiled machine.
    When does Kate get alone time and time to decompress? Really you all think traveling is easy and she is away from her kids all the time? That is easier??? PLEEZE, listen to yourselves!


    Cindy. Surely you watch the show? Jon has been a stay-at-home dad for 2 years now. Even before THAT, when he was working full time, Jon was the one waking them up, dressing them, and at night, he did bathtime and tucked them in. NOW, he is still the one taking them to school and spending his days with them.
    Kate is away on business, comes home, and you are denying Jon some time off?!?
    Kate gets PLENTY of alone time, while sitting in first class, or at the hotels spas while she's away for speaking events.
    No, I don't feel sorry for Kate. She chose this career. She could be a stay-at-home mom, with all the money they make per episode.
    But it's never enough for her. Instead, she has to ALSO make money selling books. Which takes her away from her kids.
    I don't care how much time she spends away from home, it's her choice. But she needs to stop lamenting being 'on her own, planning things all alone' because Jon has been doing it for QUITE some time.

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  68. Wow this is killing me!!! I have such mixed feelings. I did not even get to see the entire episode but i am mad and sad about the whole thing. There is a lot i want to say but I don't know the whole story so i wont say anything yet. I just hope they get this worked out. I think that Jon and Kate need to go on a vacation and get away together and have some alone time and figure out where they are at. They owe it to the kids to really try. I don't think the little ones would mind if there parents went away for a week or two if it would just bring them back together. PLEASE GET BACK TOGETHER!!! the rest of the world does not matter, just do what you need to for yourselves and your kids.

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  69. I have been a Jon and Kate Plus 8 fan from the very first show. To hear Kate say tonight that she can doesn't know how to fix it made me angry. I know how she can fix it, they need to stop the show! She needs to focus on her family's needs not her own. She listed off if her kids are healthy safe and know they are loved then they are good. I disagree, she may be off providing for thier material needs but she is neglecting the emotional and physical needs of Jon and the children. I am no longer a fan of Jon and Kate plus 8, nor will I watch a Godly family, who satan now has a hold of, emplode on television. I won't watch because I am fan of Jon, Kate, Cara, Mady, Hannah, Alexis, Leah, Colin, Joel, and Aiden Gosselin. I love you guys and want you to heal your hearts privetly.

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  70. tonight was sad. The idea that a couple that loved eachother and was fighting to give their kids a good life was different from whats on tv now.

    But now we went and screwed them up. We, the public should not have been so fascinated with their life. But we can't help it. We made them into celebrities!

    But now its sad. To hear them say how much they love their family and that they do it all for their kids. They never say that they love eachother. Which is the biggest thing that you can give to your kids. Loving your spouse - their parent. As much as they entertain me i really do wish they would take the show off the air. I dont want to know the intimate details of their life anymore. And moreso I dont want to witness the end of their family. If that is the direction the show turns - I will boycott TLC and everything they are associated with! Yes i know i am being exagerative. But i am sure TLC's rating for tonight episode was through the roof! And thats all they care about. They don't care about their marriage or those eight kids. I really do hope that they work things out and stop filming. And that those kids grow up not being affected by this drama.

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  71. I am sad i feel a sleep at 730 last night :( but i was able to record the show. ill try to watch it today!

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  72. so sad. I think that Jon is going to take the easy road out and take back his freedom. From kate, TV, and the kids. I think that divorce stinks. One spouse is going to be taking on raising the kids 24/7 and the other will get their single life back. Its not fair. Men taking a "break" is not healthy for the family. Anyone one would be like "wow, i can do this as long as its when i want to do it"
    I wish nothing but the best for them, but i do believe that Jon has choosen his road that hes going to take.
    About filming...well....I dont think that is so wrong...who else could support their family like that? Without the money from the shows...how would they be able to make it? If they had financial problems....that leads to divorce too! sorry, if i had a chance to stay home and raise my kids and get paid for that, i would. Jon needs to grow up and think about it!

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  73. Becky, I agree with you...I think Kate wants to do the show because she knows there's no other alternative. If they didn't have the show they'd both have to work again, especially now that they have the new house. I think that's what she means when she keeps saying that they can't go back. They're the only ones that can "fix" what's been done, so we just need to pray for them as well as all of the marriages that we see that are having problems. Encourage them to realize again why they fell in love and not to give up. I remember an episode where J&K were all lovey-dovey in the kitchen after the kids were in bed...maybe they need to revisit those good times and remember what life is all about...

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  74. That was such a sad show....I think they need to concentrate on their marriage. Both were quick to say they are doing everything for their kids...without the marriage, there is nothing. Kids pick up on everything. They know without even being told. I think they need to adjust to their new lifestyle and work together to make it happen.

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  75. This episode was so sad. My heart broke for them. Alexis' comment very heartbreaking. Kate I felt was the most honest she has ever been with the 'cameras'. Jon seeemed so hurt and angry also. I believe him when he said he didnt cheat on Kate. I think that the allegations were just the tip of the iceberg though. Which is why we, as viewers, fans or haters, have so many questions still. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. Divorce isnt always bad thing and sometimes it is for the best. My parents divorced when I was the tups age. And I was so confused. My mom moved out and my brother and I moved with her. We saw my dad very often. But still he was at home and we were not. In my 5 year old little brain I thought my mom took us away. I blamed her. I acted alot like Mady. I just hope that if Jon and Kate decide to end their marriage (which I hope they dont) they do explain to the kids in words and ways they understand. Something my parents didnt do. I see now that I am 27 that it was for the best. I can not imagine what kind of home I would have been brought up in if they were to have stayed together "for the kids". They are and were two completely differnt people. I do wish all the best for Jon and Kate.

    On a brighter side, the kids looked like they had a blast at their party. So much fun!! I loved that Jon knew the wiggles song :)

    Hopefully as the season contiunes they find happiness and peace with each other.

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  76. To Jon & Kate
    I'm the stay at home mom of two beautiful boys. I love it...though it is the hardest "job" I'll ever have I know. Anyway, as a complete stranger to you, I know my words here are not words that you would probably take to heart, but I thought I'd give this a shot anyway. I have to admit that am not an...avid watcher of your show so I really can't say "I'm your biggest fan," But I have been watching for a while and I do love to see how your family grows. I'm writing today to encourage you to remember your love for each other. Remember to seek to put each other first. Clearly things are rough for you right now, given all the media hoopla. Please know that those of us who do use our brains know that you can't believe everything you see and hear from the media. Also we know that only you two know the truth between you. But as you have this website you on some level value the thoughts/opinions of us...your fans. I'm writing today to encourage you to do what it takes to return to the love you had for each other before all this nonsense began. Even if that means ending the show. Remember your love, remember your vows and remember that it's Jon & Kate before it's Jon & Kate plus 8. Forgive one another, CHOOSE to LOVE one another and CHASE long and hard after the marriage the Lord wants you to have...the best.

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  77. Like just about everyone else, I was very sad watching this last night. I cried when Alexis was talking to Jon and when Kate was crying during her interview. I'm not giving up on them just yet, though! This is very new and recent and my hope is in time they will realize what they have and work for it. To me, Kate seemed more willing in that she said "i'm here" while Jon wasn't showing much interest. I also don't think ending the show will solve their problems. I think Kate mentioned it and I had noticed also but Jon was totally into the show and enjoying (more than Kate for a while) everything with it until he got photos taken of him out before the end of the last season. It's pretty clear that his reason for wanting out now is becasue he's mad he was caught. There were some good points in the show also. I was glad to see Carla there helping. Cara and Mady seemed very mature and kind and appreciative of their mother. And I loved it when, I think it was Collin but having a hard time remembering, he came up and thanked Kate for the party. It was very sweet!

    I love this show and the whole family and don't think either Jon or Kate is fully to blame but I really hope they can get past this and work on their marriage. I think beneath these feelings of anger and resentment they do love each other. They just need to dig through it and find that love again!

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  78. Cindy-

    I still stand by my statement. I have a job that requires traveling every month and I am away from home for at least 1 week of every month.

    My BREAK comes from not having to facilitate all of the coordinating and driving etc......
    I can focus on work and not have all of the family tasks still needing attention as well.

    You are wanted to debate a mute point with me. I think they both are being selfish. They both need to push through and work out their differences.

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  79. Tried to post on the other site but was always denied. This is a great site, watched the season opener with wife and kids and we all agree they have some serious work to do, but it can be done. We don't believe Jon cheated justa acted childishly (sorta like a kid acting out) and Kate admited her anger issues and treament of JOn but just like when we die, we are all judged on our lives, our choices, our mistakes, so ill-treated or not, Jon is responsible for his actions. We thought the paparazi at the birthday party was horrible, if it were my family I would have lost it and punched them out. Finally no wonder Kate has a bodyguard (or two) if Jon is not there for whatever reason then Kate and those kids need protection from the paparazi and the haters out there who want to take their kids away.

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  80. This was like watching a train wreck and I'm not sure I'm into that. I've loved sharing this show with my kids but they won't be seeing that.

    Incredibly sad for those eight sweet kids.

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  81. i too want to know the name of that song they played during the photo show..

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  82. Lesley, you're right. I don't have a clue. I raised my kids and educated myself, without the help of my husband it wouldn't have been possible. He took care of the children, ran the house and worked full time. I went to work full time and Nurse's training full time. If my hubby would have acted like Jon nobody in our house would have gotten out of poverty. So, yeah, I expect more from the immature whiny hiny called Jon Gosselin.

    KY MAMA, I think you hit it:

    I also don't think ending the show will solve their problems. I think Kate mentioned it and I had noticed also but Jon was totally into the show and enjoying (more than Kate for a while) everything with it until he got photos taken of him out before the end of the last season. It's pretty clear that his reason for wanting out now is becasue he's mad he was caught.

    Now he has to face the responsilbity of what his irresponsibility caused.

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  83. I like many, was teary eyed yesterday. To see where this family came from and then to be scrutinized by the media like they are is awful. I really don't think they need the extra stress. I think the kids looked wonderful last night, and Maddy and Kara seem to be coming out of their shells!!
    As for Jon and Kate, I pray that things work out for them. Kudos, to the both of them for standing up to the media. I don't know many people that would stand up to gossip.

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  84. Cindy-

    Never once said that you did not have a clue....And I do not think that Jon is just being whiny. His needs are not being met and he is acting out to get that attention.

    I know how my husband can be when he feels he is on the back burner, he can be resentful.

    Kate needs to nuture Jon just as much as he does her.

    I think its so ridiculous that fans/haters can place the blame of the downfall of their relationship on just ONE of them. They both are lacking! Neither is putting in the time it seems.

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  85. Here's the thing, the new show is out, next week promises to keep the tension going, maybe it will ease up as time goes on. Jon needs to stop playing the martyr though, he knew what the show was, he said he quit his job to stay with his kids and complains about it, but then says he does it all for his kids, he needs to readjust those statements because the kids will read into them and think they are the blame for all the unhappiness. Is Jon unhappy because Kate seems to be more famous? Maybe, but that's something they BOTH need to work on, marriage is about communication and compromise, JON and Kate need to make a plan and stick to it. Maybe that's what went wrong, no comminication and compromise.

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  86. omg. great episode, but i cried the WHOLE time. i love this family so much and hate to see what the media is doing to them.

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  87. I, like the majority of posters, was just heartbroken while watching this episode. I watched the episode twice and I cried both times. I have following this family since it was just a yearly special so in a lot of ways I feel like I have watched these kids grow up their whole lives. I have seen Jon and Kate through their ups and downs but through everything I always believed that they would pull through.

    I'm not so sure anymore. Both of them sounded almost resigned to the fact that their marriage is over and Jon doesn't seem to be willing to work on it. I don't think anyone is specifically to blame here and I liked that Kate recognized it. When she said that she knows she has been hard on Jon the last 10 years I think that was a huge thing for her to admit and come to terms with. Her being hard on Jon doesn't excuse his behavior but I am happy that Kate acknowledged her role in the breakdown of their marriage.

    I was also amazed at how changed Kate seemed. She almost seemed calm when planning and executing the party which is much different than how she has been in the past. She also seemed less abrasive and softer and when she cried on camera I was shocked and amazed that she let her guard down enough to share with the world her complete devastation with everything that has happened. As much as I have always loved Kate some of her personality quirks have annoyed me. Even my husband who has been a Kate hater watched this episode with me and remarked at how different she seemed. I think some of that is the sadness at what is happening to them but also I think she has looked at herself and realized that she needs to make a change in order to give her marriage a fighting chance.

    On the other hand Jon seemed cold and indifferent when addressing the issues. He doesn’t seem to care about Kate at all and is just even stomaching being around Kate for the sake of the kids. Although, he did break my heart during that tender moment with Alexis. Not just when she said “I don’t like when you go away Daddy” but just the way he looked at her and drew her in for a hug. In that moment I saw how much he is hurting and truly loves his kids.

    In all, the episode answered all my questions and raised more. I love this family like I know them personally and I want nothing but the best for them. Unfortunately the best might be for them to divorce but I know that they will do everything they can to protect and nurture those amazing kids no matter what they chose to do in their marriage.

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  88. Just checked another site someone has Kate's itenerary from april listed (all the places she has gone, like petsmart, party city, barnes and knobles) that is just weird, maybe she should get another bodyguard, or 12.

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  89. I don't feel like Jon has been on the outs with the show since the pictures. I think it has been even before that. Probably since the beginning of season 4. And it has just escalated since then. Then the pictures came out and that was the icing on the cake. It did him in. He was done.

    I also feel like we saw the "real" Kate last night. I think before TLC played up Kate's tough side and made us see only the negative things about her because that is what was selling. Though many people can not stand her they couldn't stand not to watch and pick on her. That equaled ratings for TLC. I think now with all that is going they don't need to show that anymore.

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  90. I missed much of the episode but will rewatch tonight. However I did see the last half hour and the interview with Jon and Kate. And although I never saw them look at each other or say "I love you" I do think they still do. When Kate opened up and started to cry I was hurt more and heartache more than resentment. And I got that the lack of response from Jon is just that he doesnt know WHAT to say to make things better so he'd rather say less. However divorce or separation is not the right answer for them. Honestly they need to talk more "communicate" not avoid each other. The silence just creates more heartache. However, acting on emotion will only do more damage.
    If only adult problems were as simple as childrens. Then we could just tell them to do what they teach their children. Sit in time out then give each other a hug and a kiss and say I love you!! Maybe one of the kids can tell them that?

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  91. I agree that Kate seemed way more patient with the kids! She has changed and I believe in a good way. Life goes on and no matter what they decide they still have to be parents to those adorable kids!

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  92. As with everyone heartbroken at the end of this program. "married or not" comment was just too sad. I'm not sure what their real lives out of the camera view entail, but no married man should be out with a single woman driving his car, no matter what the situation is. And no single woman should be on the lawn of another woman's home in her underwear (or bikini) at all. I blame him and the bikini wearing teacher. Betrayed and angry? This woman has every right to feel these things. If I were away and a bikini clad wearing 23 year old single woman was sunbathing on my lawn? It would be more than betrayal and anger, it would be ballistic. Cheating is cheating, whether it's physical or emotional. Jon walks on a path he chose. Just like his mother said "life is about choices". He chose to betray the trust of his wife. Now he whines about how he can't be "just Jon". Who is "just Jon"? A cheater? A lounge lizard? He goes to help his mother than ends up hanging out in bars? If that is "just Jon" and that is what he wants? Single women everywhere are raising children alone for just that reason. Most women cannot walk away from their children, but biologically men are crfeated to flit like butterflies from flower to flower. He cannot seem to fight the natural instinct. She might have to carry on alone, but it can be done. The children might end up being children of divorced parents because their father chose his own path, but they will survive. The sad part is that they gave so much hope to so many people that life can get better no matter what. I'm really ashamed of Jon. I dont' believe he can rise to overcome his own downfall. I admire Kate immensley for finding a way to better the lives of her children, I know she must be torn by her own choice to do it publicly, but their lives will in the end be better for it financially, and with her love, they will be OK. She was right to throw him under the bus, but what most don't realize is that he truthfully jumped under it himself. "Just Jon" will be a very lonely man. condemned by the world for cheating (and I reiterate, emotional cheating is just as bad as physically cheating and he knows that). I hope they have made enough us$'s to keep Kate and the children throught their lives off the streets. And I hope Kate can find the strength to know she was right to do it. Taking lemons and making lemonade has been her forte, I hope she continues to remember the recipe. Do your best, take what comes, continue making lemonade.

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  93. I thought the episode was heartbreaking for lots of reasons — http://www.lilsugar.com/3190652. It's sad to see a couple who was so close seem so close to divorce. The children are adorable — I just wish them all the best.

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  94. Jon needs to step back and rethink his words. He said that he quit his job 2 years ago to stay home with the kids (His choice and able to do so because of the show). Kate was home at that time also and everything was fine. They traveled, went to theme parks and had special days for each child. He liked the film crew around. Then a few sentences later he says he has to stay at home with the kids, but that decision was made for him. So he does not like it. All I have to say is GROW UP!!! Women have been doing this for years, staying home with the kids, while the husband was off working. Kate did it while Jon worked. Jon said this decision was made for him, WRONG, Jon decided to quit his job. Jon has been the bath giver, but Kate was the one who fed them, changed them, dressed them, and entertained them for 10 hours a day while Jon was at work. Sorry to be so harsh on Jon, but they both decided to have all 6 babies, and now Kate has the career, so deal with it. Jon got caught being out of his perfect image and now he has an issue. Jon needs to grab Kate and apoligize, wrap her up in his arms and tell her he loves her.

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  95. Speaking as a husband, man, father, evrybody makes bad choices, we are not perfect, if you are then by all means cast the first stone...but both J&K need to work through this and I believe they can. I think much of this is publicity for the show, which is fine because it is a business. The family part of this to an observer has its problems, the kids no something is up but are not acting out or rebeling like they would if neither parent was home, there have been so many times when my wife did things alone or by herself or didn't need my help when we would be in a fight but I made sure I always made it back to her side, Jon did do that at the birthday party, he jumped in and helped, not at first but after a while he was right there. At the backyard barbeque he was the dad cooking meals, they were a family, it can get worked out I believe so. Not that my opinion counts that much.

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  96. Kate and Jon, I hope you find your way back to each other. My husband and I have been through very difficult times too--and we only have 4 kids and no cameras on us. Life is so hard sometimes and we often ask God why. There is no good answer, but we have found that if you just put one foot infront of the other and continue trusting Him despite what anger and distrust you feel now, He will bless you with a retooled love that will help you to be grounded once again. Your faith will grow and you will teach your children the real importance of faith. I pray that both of you would be able to commit to trying to trust in Him even though your trust in your marriage has been broken. It took us some years but we've been married 25 years now and God has been very faithful to show His love to us. I'll be prayng for all of you.

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  97. Are we all watching the same show?

    Jon stopped working to stay home with the children WITH Kate. He didn't decide to be a stay-at-home-dad while his wife worked. They both said they wanted to be home with their children and have the show tape their daily lives.

    THEN Kate did all the shows and book-signings and gave Jon no choice. THAT is what changed. They need to take turns or something because regardless of who is right or wrong, what they are doing now is not working for their family.

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  98. BabyMama, seems like there are a whole bunch of new readers or at leaster posters to the new board!! Good for you!

    The show last night made me extremely sad for this entire family! Both Jon and Kate have a part in this and BOTH need to get their priorities straight, stop blaming the other one and take responsibility for their actions!

    They also need to take some time away together and work on their marriage! It is great that they love their children and work so hard for them, but their children will NOT keep their marriage strong and alive!

    I also feel that "they" (TLC,Gosselins, PR) are trying to portray Kate in a little softer light. Why they are doing this I am not sure? Perhaps they are protecting their investment or the possibility that if the Gosselins do split that Kate's image is still sellable.

    I pray that this couple will remember the commitement that they made to each other and the vows that they took in front of God! I pray that they will overcome these hurdles!

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  99. Jon needs to grow up. He is acting like a kid not getting what he wants anymore. He thinks the grass is greener on the other side, maybe now where he thinks he has no responsibities. Yes Kate is harsh that is her sense of humor and Jon knew that before he married her. Grow up Jon and deal with your responsiblilites. Its your childrens lives your gambeling with now. Jon snaps back a lot to Kate as well, rolls his eyes amd does he atticks, he is perfect either, He is acting not like a man, but a person whom I dont think he wants his kids to portray after.

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  100. The point about who gets more downtime is really a mute one. It's not about comparing workloads, it's about validating how one FEELS about the situation. When we form understandings, it is based on our own perceptions/experiences and requires the realization that everybody's perceptions/experiences/needs are different. For example, my husband can function wonderfully on 6 hours of sleep and sometimes can't understand how I can still be tired after 8...but rather than saying, "Well you shouldn't be tired...you got 8 hours" he understands that our needs are different. The same can be said for emotional needs as well. I think that counselors do a wonderful job at helping people reach an understanding of other people's perceptions and arbitrarily validating the feelings behind such perceptions without the animosity that comes from one on one confrontation. I would think that J & K (and most other married couples) would benefit from counseling.

    I feel that both J and K have put up an emotional barrier to try to stop the hurt, but all that does is makes them each hurt ALONE. It is a natural defense mechanism to distant oneself when really coming closer is what one desires. It is through the distancing that each hopes that the other becomes aware of what they are feeling, but usually doesn't work... unless they are willing to come together to SAFELY (without negativity and judgment)discuss what has been going on for them. That is where a counselor is beneficial. A counselor would not only act to mediate the talks and prevent them from becoming attacks, but also, quite simply, seeing a counselor means that they each will take time on a regular basis to recognize each other. When things get so busy in life, often the spousal needs are the first to go (since we think that he/she would understand our busy-ness) yet we would never blow off a business partner. So by scheduling time with a counselor, you in a sense are scheduling time with your spouse in a formal way. This is important. As my husband commented while watching the show with me, "It is pretty hard to reconcile differences when you have PA's running back and forth between the two of you." How true is that?! And I hated how they were referring to each other as him/her/he/she. :-(

    From my point of view, this marriage is far from being "too far gone"...They CHOSE each other once, with a little help they can CHOOSE each other again, if that is what they want.

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  101. I was wondering about this theory. Note, I said it's just a theory...

    Jon says he did not "cheat" on Kate. He said he knows it, and Kate knows it. What if their marriage was over for the last six months, just as Kate said too. We saw the finale of season 4. It seemed pretty much over at that point. Kate admitted it. She said for at least 6 months. Maybe more if she cares to admit it.

    Maybe they have been "separated" and are just staying together for the children's sake or the show's sake, or their contract with TLC, etc.

    Since they are "separated" maybe that is why Jon says he did not "cheat". As for Kate being upset, maybe she is upset that it is not out in the open and now they all have to deal with the repercussions of Jon not being more discreet about it. All the tabloids, all the gossip, all the bad press. Now the media and fans are saying the show needs to end and Kate should be home with her children. The life she loved having both her children and her "celebrity" as she knows and loves it is gone.

    It's a possiblity and could explain a lot. Of course NONE of us will know the truth. Both Jon and Kate were not specific about anything.

    Kate didn't say WHY or WHAT she was pissed about. We assume it is about Jon cheating or being seen with other women. We really don't KNOW.

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  102. I meant NOW out in the open, not NOT out in the open.

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  103. I don't understand one important thing - why did neither Jon nor Kate say that they "loved" eachother, not even once? They said they love the kids, of course. But they never once said they love eachother. Also at the end, Jon said "I'm here for the kids." with a big period at the end. To me, I thnk they are stick-a-fork-in done. The show has now lost its premise of "I quit my job as a nurse to stay at home with the kids, and I'm an IT analyst", which made everyone tune in to see just how on earth they did it! They even cut that part from the new show opener, and just go to the "It's ARE life" bit. Why watch a show about millionaires who get a divorce after flandering? Not very appealing, to me. They should stop now. They have changed waaaayy to much a this point.

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  104. I think the show should and will stay on, its a reality show about a huge family and with all families, big or samll it has its dram, both me and my wife are from big families and there is enough drama for a dozen reality shows but you get passed it, you can't assume things like Us magazine does, you can't be a hater (GWOP, Aunt Chris, Jodie, Kevin) just let people live their lives. I think much of Jon's behavior is him acting out, just like when Kate yelled at him at toys rus back in season 2 or 3.

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  105. Baby Mama:

    Thank you for posting all our comments. I've been to other sites and just can't take the immature and catty comments about Kate.

    I personally disagree with a lot about her, including her haircut, but some people are just out to bash and insult and that's not my style.

    One person commented that she is too old for a short skirt. Another said her legs looked better before she started to work out. Huh? It's not like she is 70-years-old and wears black lycra micro minis. I wrote that as a reply and for some reason they refused to post it.

    I like this site because it seems that everyone loves the family and wants it to work out where they are all happy together, but are willing to discuss the situation like adults.

    I do feel the show is not the best thing in the interest of the children at this point and will continue to say so.

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  106. It's a "MOOT" point, not a MUTE point!!! : )

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  107. I think the posters who say that Kate is playing the "woe is me" card are probably new viewers to the show. If you watched this show through the years Kate has always been portrayed as a hard, tough, brutally honest, a control freak, mean, etc. She has been called a horrible wife more times than I can count, and while there have been many times that I have been angered in her treatment of Jon I have never questioned her love for him or their family. This is why the change in her from last night’s episode was so noticeable. I really think that through all this Kate has looked at herself and they way she has treated Jon and sees that she pushed him too hard and needs to make a change if she wants thing to even have a chance of working out. She even admitted she has pushed him too hard which was a big step for a woman who several months ago yelled at him for forgetting to save a receipt. Kate has numerous flaws (as we all do) hers are just out there for the world to see. She has always seemed to have a tough skin but last night she just seemed broken and devastated about her marriage and Jon. For me this is far from a “woe is me” it is more a woman who just is lost, vulnerable, and doesn’t know what to do.

    About them not saying I love you to each other; I was not surprised by this. Even when things were good between them they have never been a very touchy feely kind of couple. I think I have seen them hug only a handful of times in the show and I don’t remember them ever saying “I love you” outright to each other.

    Don’t get me wrong I think BOTH Jon and Kate have had a role in what has happened. The difference to me is that Kate seems genuinely devastated and Jon seems not to care. They need to do what is best for them AND their kids and I will support them in whatever they decide to do.

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  108. My TV guide says that Kate's birthday episode is on tonight at 8:30...

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  109. I'm a big fan of the show and have watched it from the start. I'm a stay at home dad of multiples, and just like the kids on the show, our kids are 1/4th Korean. Our Hannah looks just like their Hannah. ;)

    I really feel for Jon right now, and I don't how last night's show portrayed him in contrast of how Kate was portrayed.

    It's clear to me that he didn't sign up for all this junk, and just wants some semblance of a normal life now after getting a taste of celebrity life. The problem is he can't since Kate is now 110% gung ho with her career and whatnot.

    And I cannot believe the show was made out to act like kate has to do everything on her own and has to enlist the help of her oldest children to get stuff done around the house while Jon is no where to be found. What a distortion... very upsetting to me...

    Everyone who has watched the show from day one knows that Jon is an active father who cares for his children, yet if you were to tune in last night for the first time you might have thought different.

    I am so with Jon on this... and I hope Kate is willing to open up and acknowledge her role in their latest troubles, because based on what I saw last night, I truly believe she thinks she's not responsible for any of the hardships in the last 6 months.

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  110. Shannon,

    Don't confuse his lack of emotions or nonchalant attitude with not caring... He does care... I saw it last night...

    Men and women are very different, and react to different situations differently...

    The lack of emotions is a reasonable response to being beaten and warn down so much... When you're not trusted or respected to do anything right, things just start losing their lustre and a non-emotional is to be expected...

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  111. I think that Kate is angry because Jon put the family in position for the paparazzi to come out in force...to see if they can "catch" any of them in another situation.

    Like so many of you, I was heartbroken during this episode. They just seem lost. It looks like that selfishness is getting in the way of what is best for the kids. So what Kate has to be away and Jon has to take care of the family. How many single parents are there that do it day-to-day without compensation and perks...and with no-one to trade off with?

    I feel that this marriage can work, the show can work, Kate's book tours can work. The main word here is "work". My mantra is: Treat your spouse how you want to be treated.

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  112. It was painful to see no joy in Jon’s & Kate’s faces last night. As a 55-yr-old grandma married for 31 years, I hope they make time to find each other again, to hear good counsel, to hear beneath one another’s pain. They both promised to “be here” for the kids. Kids need HOPE, FAITH, and LOVE modeled by two parents, teaching them how to work through tuff stuff. Kids need to grow, not just possess.

    I’m praying for you, Jon and Kate, praying hard that you can slow down and see each other through different eyes. And as Jon said, “it’s just between [us].” Lots of Love.

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  113. SchmeckyGirl,

    You said that we don't know WHY or WHAT kate was pissed about... I would like to make a guess...

    I think she views herself as someone who's sacrificing and suffering all that she is for her children day in and day out, while Jon cannot get anything right. Even the simplest of chores given to him needs her supervision, which after a while becomes exhausting and tiresome.

    She sees this huge disparity between all the hard work she puts in and the lack of effort and hard work Jon puts in. She sees herself carrying the whole family on her back, and Jon is just another child she has to take care of.

    She believes she does everything for the family and wishes Jon would get off his butt once and a while and help out.


    I could be wrong, but that's what I think she thinks...

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  114. I forgot to add earlier...


    LOVE THE NEW SITE BABYMAMA!!!

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  115. I think the reason it isn't working out is obvious. Jon wants to quit the show, Kate doesn't. There is no compromise on that. So now what? They seem to be living in limbo. You ask them Now what? They both sit there with blank looks on their faces. They don't know because they both want two different things.

    Kate says they are both two different people. I think it's because Jon finally decided he isn't going to be told what to do and be talked down to by his wife any longer. He's had enough. He's been humiliated on national television for years. It doesn't matter if that's "just Kate's way". It doesn't matter if he knew her personality and married her anyway. Maybe he didn't know the extent of it.

    We all wondered when he'd finally stand up to her. Now he did and she says he's a different person. He's done if she doesn't want to change. He can't change her. Only she can. And she obviously doesn't want to.

    I'm all for a strong woman. I'm a strong woman and don't take crap from anyone... but a woman has to show their husband respect. He was a good husband and father, not a jerk. He deserved respect from her.

    I agree with "Dad". Jon is a broken man. He was breaking in Season 4 and said it. Kate said "I'm happy" so there. And now you have this. We all knew it was coming. Just sad. So sad. Those poor kids.

    Madi and Cara were so helpful but it didn't seem it was because they are growing up. It seemed like they see how sad their family is and just want to do what they can to make it better. Very, very sad. The mood in the home seemed so somber.

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  116. Hi Dad,
    I'm not sure if you had read my previous post where I stated that I truly believe that Jon is hurting and loves and cares about his kids. You could blatantly see that in the moments he had with Alexis at the birthday party. But I truly believe that in those last interviews where they were together Jon showed no sign of wanting to fix the problems. While Kate said she is constantly there for everything he just stated he is there for the kids. But Jon is, and has always been, more closed off in expressing his emotions. This is an issue they have addressed on the show before.

    I also, very respectfully, have to disagree with what you said in that Kate has not taken any responsibility for her role in these hardships. She admitted that she has been very hard on Jon throughout their marriage, said that the time away from her family has not helped the situation, and she even said there was a wake up call when one of the kids called her by the babysitter's name. I think she is very aware of how her choices have also brought them to where they are. She will need to make hard choices about how to continue with her career.

    They both had a role in all of this and Jon doesn't get an easy out because Kate has been an overbearing wife but Kate doesn't get an out because Jon messed up either. They both have to take ownership.

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  117. Kate's Birthday Surprise episode is on tonight at 8:30! They are also replaying last night's episode before that.

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  118. SchmeckyGirl said, "Madi and Cara were so helpful but it didn't seem it was because they are growing up. It seemed like they see how sad their family is and just want to do what they can to make it better. Very, very sad. The mood in the home seemed so somber." ...I was thinking the same thing.

    I think that "Dad" has articulated much of which I was thinking very well. They both need to take ownership and validate each others' positions as well.

    EandKMom - I thought that "mute" didn't sound right! :-)

    I am just consumed with this family right now and I don't think that I'm going to get anything done today...sigh.

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  119. Susie12312- I just checked tlcs site and dont think that they are showing her b day episode tonight. Where did you see that?

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  120. BabyMama Congrats on the new website I love it and your positivity toward the Gosselins!

    I'm 17 years old and I can't put into words how upset this episode made me. Usually, I watch the episodes more than once but I never want to see this one ever again. I feel so bad for them. I really hope they can get counseling and become stronger. Alexis' comment broke my heart. They should remember the time when they told the kids they would be together forever before renewing their vows. Jon seemed extremly impassive and blah, it really disappointed me. I hope they stay together :(

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  121. I was touched by how many people commented on how SAD last night's episode was.....I thought it was possibly one of the saddest things that I have ever seen on TV. I couldn't help but wonder "Where is the LOVE?" Not to mention what ever happened to the convictions of their faith? Isn't the reason that they kept all six embryos due to their faith and moral convictions? I could sort of deal with Kate's OCD issues and harsh and always emasculating critiques of Jon, because somehow they seemed to muddle through and love each other. Now she seems like a cold and isolated woman, and he seems lost. I hope that the TV show stops. Life is tough enough right now......who needs more pain and sadness, broken homes and divorce. Those poor kids.....all the stuff in the world will never replace the loss of their parents loving each other.

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  122. I never thought I would reach out to others about the Gosselin family, but I find myself doing so! I just wrote a post on my mom blog about my thoughts, http://momspark.blogspot.com/2009/05/jon-kate-plus-8-drama-my-thoughts-and.html.

    I feel so sad for them, really. :(

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  123. Jennifer- I saw that on the TLC site too, but on the TV guide on my TV it said that it would be on. I guess we will just have to wait and see!

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  124. I was really disappoint in Kate last night she would not admit that she had anything to do with the break-up of their marriage and basically blamed everything on the bad choices Jon made. From where I’m sitting they both made bad choices and need to end this show now. It takes two in marriage and from what I can see she has made a 180 appearance and attitude. The one thing that stand out to me the most is how Kate is always super sweet to everyone but Jon. If she treated her husband like a person maybe their marriage would have had a chance. Kate seems only to care about money and fame!!!!!!!!!!!

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  125. I feel horrible for Jon and Kate. I feel even worse for the kids. I hate to see this happen to them. I know that Jon and Kate are strong enough to get through this. I pray for the Gosselins all the time. I hope that their minds will be opened and they will be able to work together on this. I hope that the marriage counselling really helps and I totally agree with their decision to get help. They need to do this for the kids and for themselves. Their marriage is so important to how the kids grow up. I am rooting for them! It would be so great to see them overcome this challenge and go back to their normal life. I want to see them set an example for all marriages that are in trouble.

    I believe in Jon and Kate. They can get through this!

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  126. I love the show but nothing would make me happier than for them to stop filming.

    Pretty much all of America is in agreement that stopping the show is what's best for the kids.

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  127. I agree with the previous hundreds of bloggers who shed tears last night....I am not even sure the exact reason for being so extremely upset. But they have invited us into their homes for four seasons, almost like family, and this feels somehow (strangely) personal.

    I believe at the end when Kate said she is "here" when she is not away working, she meant that she is there to work on trying to keep the family together. Jon clearly (in my opinion) cut off any futher discussion by saying "I am here for my children." There was no mention of being there for their marriage and their own relationship.

    I assume a significant amount of issues have cropped up between March and May, in only two months they have gone from spouses with some issues to iron out, to almost mortal enemies. There must be so much more going on than we know about, I believe what we know is only a drop in the bucket.

    I truthfully, from the botttom of my heart, wish that this situation can resolve itself and find a happy ending. I honestly do not see how they can possibly have a season five with things the way they are between Jon and Kate.

    Sadly, however, based upon what was seen last night, I must admit to feeling very hopeless about their future together.

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  128. I have had a heavy heart all day today. It grieves me to see anyone go through marital issues. The Gosselins feel like part of my family and I wish nothing but the best for them. Besides the fact that I am very upset for the family, I am wondering why their "Welcome to the Gosselin 10" web site is not working. I would love to cntact them if for no other to let them know I am praying for them. Anyone know why this is?

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  129. GrammasNotes- You hit the nail on the head. Children not only need to be loved, but to SEE love too for their emotional growth. I know that of my friends with divorced parents, they say that they look to their grandparents as role models in their marriages. Would the Gosselin kids have anyone else to see how marriages are worked out (in good times and bad)? Maybe there are others that they could turn to, I don't know.

    I'm sure that when J&K think of their children's future they imagine them to have happy marriages (if each so chooses) and loving families. My mantra is "Live the life that I would want for my children so that they too can have it some day." After all, we are all life's teachers when it comes to our children.

    As others have mentioned, I have no idea why I so strangely feel their family crisis so close to my heart!

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  130. Oh, and BTW, I sure hope that Dr. Phil's gang won't get a hold of this one!

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  131. All you believers out there, let's storm the gates of heaven with prayer that God will restore Jon and Kate in their walk with God and with their love for each other.

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  132. I agree Peggy! If all believers can get fired up with prayers for their family I know that a miracle can happen. The Gosselin family is so important to millions of people. Please everyone pray! The family needs a miracle! God can do anything and Jon and Kate can be a huge testimony to so many people if they get through this with God's help!

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  133. I first want to start off by saying Jon and Kate the two of you are AMAZING people!! Life is full of ups and downs and lots of challenges. We all go through them. Just experiencing family problems myself I totally understand your pain! I am so sorry that the paparazzi has made it worst! I couldn’t even imagine! I am so sorry.

    Secondly, Kate I love you (not in a stalking kind of way)! I have loved watching how you stand for what you believe no matter what! Stay strong Kate and don’t let anyone pull you down. I have always seen the sincerity in your eyes from day one!! Keep up all the hard work and all you have down for your children. They love you and your fans do as well. It’ll all work out one way or another. Things in life happen for a reason!! God has plans for us all so just bare with the life challenges and know you will be taken care of! Best wishes!!

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  134. Eric~ I have to disagree with you. Stopping the show to me, represents those that despise Kate simply because of all she has been given, get what they want. Whats happening with this family will happen whether we see it on TV or not. And I'm not saying that the show didn't hurt their marriage. I'm just saying that stopping the show now only satisfy those that wish to take them down not just on spit, but simply out of hatred. If the show forces them to go to counseling, this marriage may have a chance. Because honestly, lets face it: If you found out your spouse may or may not have cheated on you, you would probably be filing papers at this point. The show did NOT force Jon to cheat (or not) on his wife. Her personality and how she is, should not (unlike what people say) give a man a pass to be unfaithful to his wife and destroy his family.

    I kinda feel that Kate feels that way too. Why stop now? Why let them win? Why not support myself and my family while I can?

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  135. Baby Mama thank you for this site. I was feeling really weird about how this whole issue was troubling me until I found that I am not the only one who has become very attached to this family.

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  136. I was so sad at the fact that each of them were saying "My children." I hope they watch their show and see how bad that sounds. Those 8 are 'their' children. They wanted them, they love them together. Don't place a wedge where ever you can! Wedges are very hard to remove. Don't be stubborn, give in some,,,,both of you.
    After watching the show last night, I didn't sleep too well. I felt so badly for Jon and for Kate. I feel sad for the kids. Even tho I don't know them personally, I was affected by the turmoil.
    I believe the renewed wedding vows were an attempt at salvage, but it really wasn't the right step at that time. They may have been in counseling at that time, who knows. But it didn't bring them closer. That is a shame. All the worse for the kids--so much emphasis and being married forever.
    I hope Jon and Kate watch their show of last night over and over and study it,,,with an open mind. They could see where they are placing wedges, how they talk about each other, to each other, how they could do things differently, now, to work thru this mess. Even tho they don't feel like it!

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  137. I must make a commment. It not here nor there about the family....This is what I don't understand:

    I have a sister in law that is married to a Marine - I pray for him that he come home alive and his 2 young boys dont' resent him for being gone so much. I pray that my grandmother who lives on the oposite coast of me remembers who I am when I go out this fall to see her (she has alzheimers) I pray for my friend who's little baby had to have open heart surgery at 1 week old, I pray for my friends losing their jobs. I pray for my friends/family who are struggling in their marriages! Why are we all so caught up in praying for a family we DON'T EVEN KNOW!!! Yes I feel for the children and I hope God protects them. For the kids I hope J&K get divorced but keep the arrangment they have (assumption here) While she is gone he is at the house, when she comes home he stays elsewhere. It's better than schleping your kids from house to house - your week, my week etc.. We all have been through a divorce, whether personally, family, friends etc...

    Many people fall out of love and it's better to break apart then allow your kids to feel the tension. Why do you think Cara and Mady were so helpful...they are going through the whole "it's my fault" issue. Kate making the statement about how they have a higher statistic of divorcing b/c "of having multiples" was a HUGE error on her part. How are the "mulitples" going to feel when they hear that someday?? Shoot I would feel bad.

    ANyways I hope they work it out and figure things out.

    The whole point of my post was we all REALLY KNOW PEOPLE in our lives that need our prayers. We REALLY don't know the truth with these kids (meaning the parents). Look at all these "reality" shows so many are not real.

    Real World, The Hills, Real Housewives of..name the city, etc etc.

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  138. I disagree with you Baby Mama...even though I love your site! But I feel that if the cameras go away, then the media has no reason to follow them around, there for no more people will be payed off to spread lies, no more misleading photos will be taken. Jon and Kate aren't spending enough time with eachother and if they see a misleading photo taken by the media or a misleading comment said by the media while they are apart from eachother then i think that leaves room for doubt in their minds as to what eachother is doing while they are apart. also if the show goes away, then that means no more away trips for the book tour and more time they have for eachother and family. Hopefully in 5 years or so Jon and Kate will be on a tour together talking about how they over came a HUGE hurdle in thier lives! I don't think that they will be hurting for money if they quit the show. I am sure that new house is payed for and then some and all the kids are in school so Kate could actually get a day job if she needed one. and Jon could go back to working full time. Also, i know too that there would be no more Jon and Kate plus 8 website either for you, but your up beat, glass is half full website could jump to another reality show :) There are too many negative reality shows out there and your site could put an upbeat spin on it :)

    *PS* *Peggy* I agree with you! And have already started praying.

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  139. ...to Sue...I just wanted to point out that I am a parent of multiples. The point that Kate made about parents of multiples having a higher rate of divorce than the normal population is in fact statistically true.

    I agree in that if divorce happens in ANY family, whether a family of multiples or not, it is never acceptable to make the children feel as though they are the reason for it. However, in this case, she cannot be held accountable for every word she speaks. Especially when she was accurate in her statement.

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  140. Bees~ Your comment was great, and I understand you point of view. My feeling on it was, that stopping now, I don't think that the situation would have gotten any better.

    Jon, who doesn't have a job, would finally step up and realize that he needs to find something to do with himself, not want to work an actual job and try to get the show back. IE: You don't know what you have until its gone. Kate, would blame Jon for the demise of their lively hood and file papers.

    So, if the show is stressing therapy, this might be the only help for them right now to save the marriage. The media at this point after the scandal will be following them around for a long time now. They want to see how this is going to play out. So, and this is just my opinion. Why not show the world that you will get through this and beat the odds? OK I pray for this as a fairytale ending.. who knows! Thanks for the comment!

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  141. Schmeckygirl - I guess you did not read my comment fully. I did say that Jon quit is job 2 years ago and Kate was home with him. Therefore all was fine. Only when Kate's career took off, it was an issue. I am sorry but they are both of their children and it won't kill him to take care of them. Jon loved the cameras and the show, but now he does not. They both had to sign the contract or there would be no show. So, I do not feel sorry for him. He has said on many occassions that when he met Kate he had no idea what he was gonna do. Bouncing from one job to the next, touring other countries, etc. Kate's personality did not develope over night, I would assume he knew her when he married her.

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  142. mydd - Ouch...remember, she's just a little girl and it's cruel to laugh at her troubles (or Kate's for that matter). Even if they are famous, and even if we don't agree with their actions/personalities...they are still PEOPLE with feelings...good, bad or otherwise.

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  143. loveli
    i didnt laugh at her troubles(did i write lol anywhere) as she is alittle girl-but kate is a grownup and should as a mother see the troubles maddie has with the other kids or just life in general- but if you havent noticed?, kate has alot of problems herself being the world revolves around her and only her-its not about what she says so much its about her body language and facial expressions that say even more same with maddie- the hitting the rolling of the eyes the impatience with the"regular" people in their lives that dont seem to measure up the their standards(which i personally dont consider good standards.If you see any laughter in here let me know or in all the other comments that others have posted.

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  144. BabyMama,
    They need to stop the show now to save their marriage and make sure the kids have a normal life. They are multimillionaires now and are set for life. Why not just concentrate on their family and kids?

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  145. I watch the show aLL THE TIME.I feel bad but yet jon is sick of the media storm that has been following him na dkate is sick of it too.However I feel yes they brought it on themselves when kate went along with the idea to document the kids, it's not a bad choice just one that has gotten out of hand.
    Aunt Jodi and uncle kevin have been selling their stories{lies} to the rag papers,they also contradict themselves, ahhhhh didn't they have cameras in their home while kids were playing dress up,potty training,running around, catching mady being ugly to joel by kicking him or lying and aunt jodi had to speak to her,wasn't aunt jodies kids filmed aswell when jon went na dgot his hair transplant and 12 kids were sick with colds,i believe aunt jodi needs to back off and go back to baking.
    I believe jon didn't cheat on kate,this marriage has been coming to an end for awhile, kate an dher love slaps, there slaps people a love pat is soft not cracking across someone sface. she has made jon look like an ass for to long,the man dose what she wnats even if he dosen't wnat to,ahhh get my glasses, get me watcer, get my purse, get out the van and get it yourself Kate! Jon is a human being not someones door mate, he truely loves his kids no doubt but yes kate acts like queen at times and ir;s sickening.So she had to do the kids birthday party alone,so what?
    I ma a mom,i do all for my son, heck school,this yrs was to school,back from school, helping in class,field day,graduation,water party, snacks,feild trips, talking to teh principal about bullies in his class,dose kate ever go to teh kids school to see how their doing?
    Many,many times jon's left alone with the kids, sometimes you need a break,dosen't mean he's cheating,he can have friends,so he was spotted with dr. larry's wife nad daughter, they've become good friends since kates tummy tuck,ahhh but wait kate was with the kids in NC with the body gaurd, dosen't mean she was cheating either, did nayoen every think aunt jodi an duncle kevin started this all because their jealous?
    As for the brother who was yapping on E news the other nite claiming jon was at his house, i don't believe him for a moment,looked high on something.
    The bunch of cowards sitting in trees at the birthdya party,i wished one would of fallen from the tree and it was on film,that would of been funny,they are what they are people, cowards.I wrote pittsburgh paper for the load they put in there about the kids being shipped away,there is no producer named benny,so they got slammed by tlc as well.

    Anything to make a buck and sell trash,shame on them.It is nobodies buisness what goes on at jon an dkates home, nor in their marriage,they kids are loved and are cared for ,jodi started this trash about being exploited nad so forth,but yet she expolited her own kids as well.

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  146. I do have to say no matter what goes on in the Gosselin home its none of our business. I am also EXTREMELY bothered by the things Kates brother Kevin and sister in law (aunt jodie) say about this family. True or not, they are family and should respect the Gosselins privacy. "Aunt Jodie" talks about the children being exploited by this show but she is doing a damn good job of exploting the kids and thier parents. It's a shame that you cant even count on your own family to back you and keep your privacy. I could never do that to any one of my sibilings regardless of what happened between us. Aunt Jodie isnt thinking of the kids! She is just probably annoyed that Kate wouldnt let her on the show anymore. It's ridiculous!

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  147. Hi, does anyone know the name of the song on the new commercial. some of the lyrics(Please don't ask me I'am too busy finding my time). i really like this song & would like to know the name & artist. Thankyou

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