tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post2841659554567308066..comments2023-11-02T10:51:19.449-04:00Comments on Welcome To The Gosselin Family Fan Site: Kate Gosselin At The Emmys? "Alaska" Not Till November, What Does Sarah Palin Have In Common With Kate?The Travel Momhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08652768852732313054noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-90835877637159362642010-08-11T18:10:23.376-04:002010-08-11T18:10:23.376-04:00Hello everyone! I decided to do some early evening...Hello everyone! I decided to do some early evening everyone leaving work FRESH PAPER! Hungry & ready for dinner? What are you making? I'm smelling fresh soap as we wash our hands and get ready for a yummy meal! Spagetti & meatballs maybe??<br /><br />Hope to see you all on my new post!The Travel Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08652768852732313054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-10043747756278215692010-08-11T17:29:26.933-04:002010-08-11T17:29:26.933-04:00Baby Mama - ITA, it is and should remain, IMO, a p...Baby Mama - ITA, it is and should remain, IMO, a parental decision for what works with your children.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-64791265895287686312010-08-11T17:04:05.578-04:002010-08-11T17:04:05.578-04:00Schmecky~ We all know that sometimes all you do is...Schmecky~ We all know that sometimes all you do is not good enough. Everyone has their own views on spanking. Sometimes is necessary but most of the times it's not. It's one of the strongest opinions every mother has. its one of those "hot button" issues where no answer is right. But no parent sound ever have to feel that there arent other options. But if your dealing with an out of control child who cant be calmed or taken out of a situation to a calmer place. Im swatting some hinie. I'm not asking anyone to care as it's my life and Im being truthful. Proud of it and doesnt make anyone a bad parent. Very different terms here "swatting hinie" vs. "pysical hitting". Big differences. <br /><br />BLOG DISCLAIMER: lol I don't want to be a literal Debbie Downer here, I just don't want anyone who reads this blog to feel like we are judging anyones parenting skills. Right or wrong. Or telling anyone what is right and what isn't on child disipline. I am speaking solely on my own behalf.The Travel Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08652768852732313054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-2042505884587696992010-08-11T16:53:04.856-04:002010-08-11T16:53:04.856-04:00Linda,
I agree. Emotional/verbal abuse can be ju...Linda,<br /><br />I agree. Emotional/verbal abuse can be just as bad as physical abuse. Actually it can be worse in a lot of ways because you can have a loving parent that hits their child strictly as a form of "discipline" but shows them love in other ways.<br /><br />I have close friends that spank their children. I have seen/heard them do it. I also see that there were other ways they could have handled it before it got to the point of spanking but I don't think they realize it. <br /><br />At that age a child is just learning how to voice their displeasure or independant thinking. It's not easy for them.<br /><br />For instance, I saw a mother sitting her two-plus-year-old daughter down and asked her daughter to sit quietly for a while. The daughter was barely in the chair and saw another child with a toy that caught her eye. The girl kept saying "Look mommy! Look she has..." she didn't even get to say the toy's character name and the mother just shushed her and said "Sit down." The little girl just kept trying to finish her sentence. The mother finally just took her to the bathroom to hit her for not listening, all the while the daughter is yelling "Okay, I'll be a good girl! I want to be a good girl!" <br /><br />I personally think if the mother, as she was still sitting her down, had said "Yes, I see, how nice she has a whatever doll, now sit down quietly or Yes, see how quietly she is sitting with it, can you do that too?" I really think the little girl might have just sat quietly after that. Maybe not, but it was likely.<br /><br />Sure the child should have listened to her. You want your child to immediately listen to you when you tell them to do something, but she was two-years-old. Children sometimes have tunnel vision and can't get past it. <br /><br />Anyway, I felt bad the little girl got spanked for not listening when it could have been an easy fix without escalating to a spanking.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-57189070825637113702010-08-11T16:40:24.983-04:002010-08-11T16:40:24.983-04:00Linda~ I thought that was a rumor started by one o...Linda~ I thought that was a rumor started by one of the hate sites to cause trouble. At least thats what I was told anyway. So sad that someone can say someting on a blog, and even if it was never verified its looked at as FACT. <br /><br />Corrina~ Haven't seen you sweetie but thank you for asking about my camera. My husband hated going on vacation with this big giant camera with this super long lens..Like he was on some sort of African Safari! It was time for us to find one of those fits-in-your-pocket types and the Sony one I found with video included is amazing! And Best Buy will match any advertised price. Perfect for trips to see the Mouse! ;)The Travel Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08652768852732313054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-28008702301608288362010-08-11T16:35:13.255-04:002010-08-11T16:35:13.255-04:00Good afternoon everyone! Don't you just hate i...Good afternoon everyone! Don't you just hate it when you write this super long post and your stupid phone eats it up? <br /><br />I absolutely hate the depressing discussion of abuse. I really wish some people had a grasp of what that truly was. Kate having a wooden sppon in her car was not any big deal and it fustrates me to no end that there are those that make her out to be a monster because of it. <br /><br />In fact, when the photo ran I thought it was such a great scare tactic to shut my kids up in the car I wanted it myself. I didn't have a wooden spoon, but I did have the pool foam noodle! We cut it. Yup that turned out to be a hot mess. I was smackin everyone with it, and once they started smacking ME we needed the big guns! lol. Found a swatter when my little one was trying to get out of the car seat. I was trying anything I could to stop screaming. I had incredible wonderful kids that became monsters when strapped in a car?<br /><br />My point is, I support Kate ONCE AGAIN, 100% in whatever she needs to keep 8 potentially roudy kids in check when driving to keep them calm and not starting a riot that could potentially hurt them all. Making the "spoon" a negative horrible thing and implying Kate is a monster mom for using one is one of the things that pissed me off so much I went on my first warpath at GWOP that since it came from me there were all too happy to post for the world to attack. What a joy for my that they are no longer what they were and the steam has finally stopped! Makes my heart sing!<br /><br />Everyone does what they need to, when they parent agrain its a personal choice and a private matter that no one has the right to judge. When that woman from the show "The Facts of Life" wrote that kooky book about puttin g hot sauce on their kids tounges when they were bad, it made me sick. But her parenting was best for her and she raised amazing children. To each is iwn. I now proudly carry a tiny spoon of my own. I have yet to use it. But I will if I have to! My kids are starting ot learn they can't act up and give me a headache and get me upset every time we get in a damn car.. So GOOO SPOON!<br /><br />Ok off the soap box now..thanks for listening ;)The Travel Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08652768852732313054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-40039734608038938812010-08-11T16:32:21.280-04:002010-08-11T16:32:21.280-04:00For the record, it is my understanding that the Go...For the record, it is my understanding that the Gosselins were reported to protective services by an anonymous source (the post on one of the blogs that is anti-Kate has been removed now), investigations were done, and no evidence of wrongdoing was found. I cannot verify that because records relating to minors are not a part of public records; only if parents are found guilty.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-41857513476437553362010-08-11T16:27:35.829-04:002010-08-11T16:27:35.829-04:00Most people model discipline on what they experien...Most people model discipline on what they experienced themselves; either repeating what they experienced OR vowing to never do the same thing.<br /><br />For me, I remembered well that my father telling me he was disappointed in the choices/behavior, etc. was infinitely harsher than any corporal punishment. The switchings were meted out and forgotten. The expression on my father's face I will remember forever. He'd always say, "I love you no matter what you do, but I am disappointed with the choices you made."<br /><br />I respect my children and I expect to be respected in return. I agree with #1caregiver that I have observed so many children being downright rude to their parents and teachers, clerks, and many more. We have pretty strict rules in our house. <br /><br />That said - I've seen "non corporal punishment" that I thought was worse than spanking or using a hand, paddle, switch, etc. I'm referring to the mind crushing that some people do; the parents that state things like "you little jerk, why did you do that," "that was a stupid thing to do," "you're just a bad, bad, bad child," "you are so stupid you never listen to me," etc. That breaks my heart. You look into the eyes of those children and realize they consider themselves complete failures.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-83214063487234308312010-08-11T16:16:25.983-04:002010-08-11T16:16:25.983-04:00momsby - In the US, I believe in all states, if ce...momsby - In the US, I believe in all states, if certain professionals observe abuse, it is required by law to be reported. My source is a bit old so I won't cite it. Certain professionals includes: school personnel (private or public schools as well as daycare), medical personnel (doctors, nurses, etc.), law enforcement (police, sheriff, state troopers). The exact inclusion of "professionals" has some additions in some states, but I believe those categories I listed are inclusive in all states.<br /><br />I researched this before enrolling my children in school. In most counties in FL and NC, corporal punishment in public schools is legal (spanking, paddling, etc.) I wanted my children to be in a school where I am called and I make the call on corporal punishment. That wasn't the deciding factor for school choice, but was on my list of things to check.<br />------------------<br /><br />caregiver - please let us know what you find.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-4804837978935597752010-08-11T15:47:13.854-04:002010-08-11T15:47:13.854-04:00Corporal Pun. - includes more then just being hit ...Corporal Pun. - includes more then just being hit with objects. I think protective services would see it differently when applied to in home care by a parent. I am going to find by lic. book. <br /><br />Unless Linda beats me to it. LOL!<br />I shall reply later.#1caregiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07070571518943584981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-68675356920106173652010-08-11T15:37:20.380-04:002010-08-11T15:37:20.380-04:00SG thanks for the heads up about Gr. Turkey. We u...SG thanks for the heads up about Gr. Turkey. We usually just make burgers for the grill out of it. That was a first for the meatloaf. It tasted good but now will read the ingredients more. I buy allot of skinless boneless chicken breast to grill or make stir fries. <br /><br />Discipline - I think if children had more of it in this country and not given so much for doing nothing, they would learn to be more responsible adults. By given so much I mean all the newest trends and Tec. things.<br /><br />One example is Divorced parents that feel so guilty they over compensate and buy their kids whatever they want. I feel children appreciate things more if they have earned it. <br /><br />I know this is off the track of discipline but I could write a book about what I have seen in Day Care. Parents that spank and drag their kids out the door. This happened in front of children and staff, and it did get reported. Too many more to mention. It's sad to see parents come in that are so stressed from working all day. Then again there are happy ones too.#1caregiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07070571518943584981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-71540154631335058462010-08-11T15:11:19.109-04:002010-08-11T15:11:19.109-04:00Hi momsby!
June 12 the story came out about Kate ...Hi momsby!<br /><br />June 12 the story came out about Kate hitting with the spoon.<br /><br />June 13 Kate spanked Leah.<br /><br />Sept 21 the episode (#14) aired on TLC of Kate taking the kids to the Amish fruit and veggie stand where the spoon was seen in the van door. There are pics of it on the internet where you see Kate with the kids and the spoon in the door. It's also there when she's dropping the kids off for school another day in pap pics. People noticed the spoon and referred back to the NE story about her hitting the kids with a spoon.<br /><br />The spoon in the van door is wooden.<br /><br />As for "reporting" Kate hitting her kids with a spoon to authorities, as Linda noticed, corporal punishment in the US is unfortunately legal.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-41762359509483872122010-08-11T14:49:53.831-04:002010-08-11T14:49:53.831-04:00In Canada every adult has a duty to report, if we ...In Canada every adult has a duty to report, if we suspect or witness abuse. Is it the same in the U.S.?<br /><br />IMO, the "source" if they felt it was extreme enough to sell the story to the NE, should have reported it. It's a moral as well as a legal responsibility. Accusations are much easier to make anonymously, especially one as potentially harmful as that. If they were a former employee, they did not even have to worry about the loss of income. Why do it as an anon, why not report it through the right channels & instead sell it to a tabloid?<br /><br /> Did that story by any chance come out before or after the picture of Kate giving Lea the spanking, in the backyard of their home? If it was after, I find it even more suspect.<br /><br />@SG- So was the spoon you were able to see in the van door, wooden or blue? I've never noticed it.momsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225688630752604739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-58440145679439832542010-08-11T14:29:46.319-04:002010-08-11T14:29:46.319-04:00SchmeckyGirl -
It is the U.S.
You as parent, ar...SchmeckyGirl - <br />It is the U.S. <br /><br />You as parent, are allowed to consider anything you want as abusive. Each parent must make the decision for themselves.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-49081164625241909152010-08-11T14:25:59.312-04:002010-08-11T14:25:59.312-04:00Gee Whiz said
I'm glad we live in the US where...Gee Whiz said<br />I'm glad we live in the US where parents are allowed to make choices for their children. <br />-------<br />ITA!<br /><br />ALL 50 states allow parents to use corporal punishment. Some parents do, some parents don't. It is a parental decision. <br /><br />I have never used a spoon on my kids; I might but I never have. That said, I'd never condemn another parent because their discipline method was different from my own UNLESS I personally observed it, and I felt it to be abuse, e.g. leaving bruises.<br /><br />I have a wooden spoon in my van door that has an extra long handle. I use it to pass things back to my kids in the next row. I used a ruler but it didn't work nearly as well. I tried a "reacher tool" and it was too long; I accidently poked my husband, the driver while trying to get over the seat. I'm better able to balance things on the wide bowl of the spoon; The spoon was cheap and it works.Linda "Original"https://www.blogger.com/profile/13379321670033802865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-7546533698836242252010-08-11T14:23:32.428-04:002010-08-11T14:23:32.428-04:00caregiver,
I meant to write you earlier...
Groun...caregiver,<br /><br />I meant to write you earlier...<br /><br />Ground turkey really isn't any healthier for you than ground beef unless you only buy ground turkey breast. Ground turkey includes dark meat and skin so it's just about as fattening as ground beef.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-86477774842507519742010-08-11T14:04:11.154-04:002010-08-11T14:04:11.154-04:00By the way the spoon Jon used for the lemonade sta...By the way the spoon Jon used for the lemonade stand was a large plastic blue or black spoon, not a wooden one.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-40958321033728793622010-08-11T13:57:03.376-04:002010-08-11T13:57:03.376-04:00Gee Whiz,
I agree that "unnamed sources"...Gee Whiz,<br />I agree that "unnamed sources" are not reliable. I don't "believe" any of them, but I do think that some of the stories they claim do sound like they can be possible. We just don't know so I wait until a real source comes forward or I see it with my own eyes. I did see the spoon in the van but that doesn't necessarily back up the spoon hitting allegations. It's possible there is another reason for keeping a spoon in your van door.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-63028100578008628592010-08-11T13:53:33.306-04:002010-08-11T13:53:33.306-04:00I refuse to believe stories based on an unnamed so...I refuse to believe stories based on an unnamed source. Could the NE source have been PennMommy? <br /><br />I'm glad we live in the US where parents are allowed to make choices for their children. <br /><br />According to the law, spanking is not abuse. People should remember they can only parent their own children.<br /><br />I think there are still a lot of people that spank, so don't think it would have affected the show had they shown spanking. <br /><br />I wish people would stop speculating about things the Gosselins did. That is how so many rumors were started about them.GeeWhizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707965646153015548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-21166679772312160642010-08-11T13:48:54.468-04:002010-08-11T13:48:54.468-04:00I'm behind in my reading--and I'm still st...I'm behind in my reading--and I'm still stuck on the meatloaf--love it. We have mixed in cracker crumbs, oatmeal, dry stuffing cubes, bread crumbs, (one of these per batch) and onions, peppers,eggs and powdered onion soup mix. All these other ingredients sound delicious--I must try them. So healthy.<br /><br />As for spanking--we were threatened to be spanked with a lilac switch--but I don't remember Mom ever using that. She would chase us with a yardstick and we would run outside and<br />stay there until she forgot about it.Corrinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415757280764159092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-6064242912800674602010-08-11T13:02:22.736-04:002010-08-11T13:02:22.736-04:00tashapork said...
I also think when it comes down ...tashapork said...<br />I also think when it comes down to it that it is a lot more harmful for kids to grow up with no discipline and boundaries at all than to get an occasional smack.<br />---------------------------------------------<br />I agree about discipline but spanking is only one form of discipline. There are others that work too.<br /><br />As for using a spoon it is possible that they had a spoon used just for spanking that wasn't used for cooking.<br /><br />Kate has already admitted that they do spank the kids. We even saw her do it in a picture outside their home so yes, they do spank. I don't think that just because we didn't see it on their show means they didn't do it. I think spanking is more than just controversial. I think it's something that would have caused people to actually NOT watch the show. I don't think TLC would have went as far as to show that even if they could have. JMO.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-68198307119238264922010-08-11T12:51:22.186-04:002010-08-11T12:51:22.186-04:00The reason I see Kate having an issue with using t...The reason I see Kate having an issue with using the spoon for spanking is that she has been known to have many issues with germs and with her kitchen. She didn't even want the water treatment man to use her sink and she had issues with people washing hands in the kitchen. I do believe that if she had a spoon in the van it was for picnic lunches or something. I have heard the story about Kate taking the boy to the bathroom before, but I don't give it credence because it is national Enquirer and an unnamed source that probably was unhappy with being let go. I agree with Linda though that discipline in private is a good idea when possible especially as they get older. I do believe that if Kate was spanking during filming that they would have used it, maybe not the actual spanking, but discussion of it because spanking is very controversial and would get ratings. It is probably something done rarely like in most of the families including mine that I know, kids may get a spanking or two a year up to around nine or so and are threatened sometimes but mostly given time outs and stuff. I don't know anyone who spanks on a daily basis. I also think when it comes down to it that it is a lot more harmful for kids to grow up with no discipline and boundaries at all than to get an occasional smack. When I was a kid, spanking was what you had coming to you and nobody considered it abuse unless you were left with bruises and marks and I didn't know anyone who was.tashaporkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02614153610713537018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-70084512080170272632010-08-11T12:43:06.295-04:002010-08-11T12:43:06.295-04:00Linda,
I only posted it because posters here asked...Linda,<br />I only posted it because posters here asked where the spoon stories originated.<br /><br />P.S. I'm totally against striking a child by anyone for any reason. Even though I was hit by a belt as a child and didn't consider it "abuse" then (or even now looking back because it's just how things were back then) I do consider hitting a child with any object as abusive.SGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12242806259961125116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-37619379003735872252010-08-11T11:17:05.814-04:002010-08-11T11:17:05.814-04:00Testing.Testing.LindaOriginalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02772557080014239781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1914552682332144225.post-24461205389935453062010-08-11T11:16:32.823-04:002010-08-11T11:16:32.823-04:00SchmeckyGirl - I look at the sources for the "...SchmeckyGirl - I look at the sources for the "spoon scandal" and I notice that they begin with NE (which I personally rate as F-) and then it seems that other sources just cite NE.<br /><br />That said, corporal punishment in the home is legal in all 50 states. Whether or not I agree with it, OR whether or not I would do it, I feel it is a decision that a parent should make. You aren't allowed to take it to extremes, i.e. bruises, etc.<br /><br />As for hearing a child scream, I assure you that when either of my grandmothers "switched" my legs, I screamed bloody murder. I probably could have been heard for blocks, if it had been within the city. I remember once telling one grandmother that I was reporting her. She said, "For what?" I said, "Look I've got marks on my leg. She then pointed out that the "marks" were on my right leg, and she'd given me five switches on my left leg. The "marks" were my own infliction in testing out the switches.<br /><br />As for any truth to taking a child to a different room for discipline, I don't think the cameras were there. I think they would have shown Kate doing just that if it had happened! I'd wager that IF it happened, Kate did it for privacy. Whether it is a "talking to," a "discussion before sending to time out," a "listing of lost priveleges," etc. I always remove them from the group. I'd never discipline before others unless it was something really big that required immediate intervention. Also, we've seen Kate remove both Mady and Cara, oh and Colin also that I can remember, to try and discuss the inappropriateness of a behavior.<br /><br />I just can't buy NE, sorry, but thanks for passing along the info.LindaOriginalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02772557080014239781noreply@blogger.com